Transportation & Security for SPs

[VancouverPI]

This is a sincere question, and I apologize if it is in the wrong forum.

I work in the security industry. With the economy the way it is, I'm looking for ways to make ends meet. Curious whether there is any need or interest from the indie SP community for persons of reliable, professional character (translation: I'm neither a criminal, nor a druggie, nor a psycho) to provide security and transportation services throughout the Lower Mainland?

Our working relationship would be strictly professional. In exchange for a negotiated cash fee, I could transport you to / from appointments over the course of an evening, during which time I will monitor your safety from a location of your choosing.

Those are just some ideas off the top of my head. If anyone would like to discuss this further, or propose some suggestions or ideas about what SPs need in terms of security, please comment here or PM me.

A few of my ground rules though, right off the start:

- I will not transport any persons in my vehicle other than my client
- I will not allow any weapons or illegal substances inside the vehicle
- I will not break any laws in the course of my work for you
- My vehicle is a non-smoking zone, thanks!

 

[lenny]

What hourly rates are you proposing?

Maybe it's not only SP's here who'ld be interested in your services.

 

[postiepete]

This is a sincere question, and I apologize if it is in the wrong forum.

I work in the security industry. With the economy the way it is, I'm looking for ways to make ends meet. Curious whether there is any need or interest from the indie SP community for persons of reliable, professional character (translation: I'm neither a criminal, nor a druggie, nor a psycho) to provide security and transportation services throughout the Lower Mainland?

Our working relationship would be strictly professional. In exchange for a negotiated cash fee, I could transport you to / from appointments over the course of an evening, during which time I will monitor your safety from a location of your choosing.

Those are just some ideas off the top of my head. If anyone would like to discuss this further, or propose some suggestions or ideas about what SPs need in terms of security, please comment here or PM me.

A few of my ground rules though, right off the start:

- I will not transport any persons in my vehicle other than my client
- I will not allow any weapons or illegal substances inside the vehicle
- I will not break any laws in the course of my work for you
- My vehicle is a non-smoking zone, thanks!

Put your name in red quick, this is a bannable offense.

 

[VancouverPI]

@ Lenny: I'll have to give it some thought. There's drive time vs. waiting time vs. mileage all to consider. Put it to you this way: I think $300 - $500 cash for every 4 hours worked would be appropriate.

@PostiePete: Not sure if you're making a joke or if I've really done something to offend. If the latter is the case, let me know so I can correct it. thanks.

 

[lenny]

@ Lenny: I'll have to give it some thought. There's drive time vs. waiting time vs. mileage all to consider. Put it to you this way: I think $300 - $500 cash for every 4 hours worked would be appropriate.

I don't know if any SP's here could afford that. Even if she makes 500/hr and worked 3 hours in 4 hours, she'd make 1500 plus tips. Then she pays you 300-500? I'm guessing she can get someone for 20/hr.

 

[VancouverPI]

Fair enough. Thanks for the info. Would any SPs care to weigh in with some suggestions?

 

[uncleg]

@ Lenny: I'll have to give it some thought. There's drive time vs. waiting time vs. mileage all to consider. Put it to you this way: I think $300 - $500 cash for every 4 hours worked would be appropriate.

@PostiePete: Not sure if you're making a joke or if I've really done something to offend. If the latter is the case, let me know so I can correct it. thanks.

I'd say that you're way on the high side as far as your rates are concerned. Also to consider, since you are supplying transportation for hire, do you have the appropriate carrier authority ?

 

[MissJasmine]

I don't know if any SP's here could afford that. Even if she makes 500/hr and worked 3 hours in 4 hours, she'd make 1500 plus tips. Then she pays you 300-500? I'm guessing she can get someone for 20/hr.

Or she could lease a car for $300/month and bring a friend who would actually put himself in danger for her...
No offence to the OP but most reputable SPs do a ton of screening and use other security measures.

 

[postiepete]

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@PostiePete: Not sure if you`re making a joke or if I`ve really done something to offend. If the latter is the case, let me know so I can correct it. thanks.

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Quoted- I am sure some of the more creative non-advertisers will find things that I missed; so as a general overlaying principle; if you are not a Paid Advertiser you cannot do anything, that in anyway could be construed to be advertising. If you even think it is, then it is and don`t do it. -quote

I think I will ask to have my name changed to Police Pete and Fred Zed I am still waiting for my pay check.

 

[ReluctantPooner]

OP - I've read many of these threads, looked into it myself actually, and have seen what the girls add to their fee to cover the drivers fee for outcalls, depending on distance. I think the best you can expect is around $50 per one hour call. She's with her client for one hour. You pick her up ahead of time and transport her there, wait nearby and be prepared to intervene should a situation arise, and then take her home. So all in all about $50 for an hour and a halfs work. I believe some girls would pay you more if it was a longer appointment. Also, many of the indies might only be doing 1 or 2 calls per day/night. You may get more work working for an agency, but if you're the bottom driver on their list you might not get many calls.

 

[VancouverPI]

I have noticed alot of emails lately from all these "drivers" and they end up trying to tax and pimp you out....

Yes... which is precisely why I'm interested as to whether there is any interest within the industry for legitimate security professionals such as myself. I have to maintain a clean criminal record in order to maintain my licensing from the government. I have to pass numerous backgrond checks by police and other agencies in order to get my license in the first place. No offense, but this is usually not the case with a run of the mill strip club bouncer or generic tough guy. That's not intended to sound condescending or derogatory, I'm just trying to illustrate that they are not beholden to the same stringent rules of personal and professional conduct that a person like me is. Hopefully that's of some value to those in this industry.

I appreciate the information everyone has offered so far. Additional insights are very much welcomed!

 

[Ride My Mustache]

In your original post you said (in part): "I will not break any laws in the course of my work for you". I would take this to be because you need to stay clean to protect your licensing and ability to work at your main security job. Have you considered how you will get around the law prohibiting making a profit from a prostitute? (Procuring; 212. (1) Every one who; (j) lives wholly or in part on the avails of prostitution of another person, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.) You are probably violating this when you charge a prostitute for security services. If you do this on a regualr basis, it's probably just a matter of time until you get caught, especially if you have to intervene between her and a client in a way that the police end up getting invoved and start asking who you are and why you're there.

I've had training in this as well, and have done the work you are considering, but not in BC, so I didn't have to worry about the "Living on the avails" part of the law. And I never came close to earning the kind of money that it seems you are hoping for. If I could find someone willing to pay me several hundered dollars for just a few hours work, on a regular basis, believe me, I would still be doing it, broken law or not! Good on you for looking for creative ways to get by in our lousy economy, but be sure to consider the risk to your main job as well.

 

[Inamorato]

I worked as an industry driver for a couple of years, and charged $40/hr all inclusive.
In the past year or so many SPs have lowered their rates and can no longer afford the costs of hiring a driver. There is still a market for the service, but your pricing is way out of line.

Also, as postiepete mentioned, advertising your service on this site is not allowed unless you are a paid advertiser.

Good luck though, it is a decent way to make some extra cash if you make sure you only deal with reputable SPs. There are some shady girls out there who can get you into trouble, and you will likely waste a lot of time driving to no-show appointments and other headaches if you deal with unprofessional types.

 

[VancouverPI]

Thanks again for the responses. Much appreciated

@ Mustache - I have to disagree with your interpretation of the law. By your logic any taxi driver transporting an SP would be open to prosecution. It's an anti exploitation law aimed at pimps, and it all boils down to who works for who. In the driver's case, he works for the SP. His actions do not compel or force her to engage in prostitution. Not the same case as a pimp who employs SPs, which is itself an illegal profession.

 

[mimi]

When the agency supplied a driver it cost $10 anywhere downtown...$20 to Richmond...$60 to abbotsford....

Sometimes I drove...those are prices from 1998

 

[VancouverPI]

It is specifically an offence to do it
Transporting person to bawdy-house
211. Every one who knowingly takes, transports, directs, or offers to take, transport or direct, any other person to a common bawdy-house is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Wrong. It is specifically an offense to transport someone to a "common bawdy house." i.e. a fixed location which the "keeper" (owner\operator) employs others to sell sex to "the commons" (public) for his personal material benefit.

This has no bearing whatsoever on a driver transporting an SP to a place of their choosing (i.e. a client's home). A client's home does not meet the definition of a "common bawdy house" because a) it does not exist for the purpose of selling sex; b) it is not open to "commons" (outsiders seeking sex) and c) the so-called "keeper" (the SP's client) does not profit financially from any illicit activities on the premises.


@Angie: Thanks, I see now that my notion for rates is high. $40 per hour seems to be the rate mentioned frequently here.

I guess the other angle here is whether drivers are to be paid strictly for pick ups and drop offs, or if they are also paid to wait for the SP during sessions and check on their well being. A few girls on here have mentioned "back up." What precautions do they take to ensure your safety? Are they pro-active, or strictly reactive?

 

[Pillowtalk]

Wrong. It is specifically an offense to transport someone to a "common bawdy house." i.e. a fixed location which the "keeper" (owner\operator) employs others to sell sex to "the commons" (public) for his personal material benefit.

This has no bearing whatsoever on a driver transporting an SP to a place of their choosing (i.e. a client's home). A client's home does not meet the definition of a "common bawdy house" because a) it does not exist for the purpose of selling sex; b) it is not open to "commons" (outsiders seeking sex) and c) the so-called "keeper" (the SP's client) does not profit financially from any illicit activities on the premises.


@Angie: Thanks, I see now that my notion for rates is high. $40 per hour seems to be the rate mentioned frequently here.

I guess the other angle here is whether drivers are to be paid strictly for pick ups and drop offs, or if they are also paid to wait for the SP during sessions and check on their well being. A few girls on here have mentioned "back up." What precautions do they take to ensure your safety? Are they pro-active, or strictly reactive?

Drivers have been charged/fined before, you will just have to deal with it being a very real risk, rather than trying to figure out a legal way around it. There are 4 basic laws, mostly designed to prevent anyone but the sp from making money or benefiting from her work thru prostitution. A recent sting in Alberta resulted in thousands of dollars in fines specifically for the drivers (tho I am not sure exactly what the fines were written up as right now).

I do not think sps should come in here, in a public forum, and explain the details of their security methods. It can open them up to having someone try to circumvent them, since the security is there to keep them safe part of the safety is in what clients or potential bad guys do not know about it. (fwiw, hiring a driver would be useless if he wasn't waiting nearby during the appt, rather than zipping around to a late night cafe or to pick up/drop off someone else 20 miles away. If that was the case, she would take a taxi.

I don't think most drivers are in it to get rich, just extra cash. If they make 100 in an evening, that would probably be a good night, if it is extra to their day job, don't you think? For a few hours work?

 

[Pantherdash]

A recent sting in Alberta resulted in thousands of dollars in fines specifically for the drivers (tho I am not sure exactly what the fines were written up as right now).

Do you have a source for that tidbit of info, O venerable Fortunate One!

Panther

 

[Pillowtalk]

Since it was rather well reported, why not take a look at April's news in Calgary and Edmonton. Here's one http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2010/04/15/13600811.html
Everyone in Law understands the issues, here's the take of a Judge http://corpocracy.info/transcript.htm here's a Toronto article http://www.torontosun.com/comment/columnists/alan_shanoff/2009/10/18/11438486-sun.html

You know pantherdumb wouldn't let a little thing like fact checking interrupt his obsessive stalking of people he doesn't know, alin.

This one the one I was thinking of. Funny how it took me 3 seconds to find it, I guess I really am just that much smarter than he is, huh.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/edmonton/2010/06/30/14566686.html

Police and city bylaw officials teamed up June 16 and 17 in a sting that targeted unlicensed escorts working in downtown and west Edmonton buildings.

On the first day, seven unlicensed escorts and two unlicensed drivers were handed fines totalling $47,500. Two warrants were also executed.

The next day, seven more escorts were slapped with $42,500 in fines.

 

[uncleg]

Wrong. It is specifically an offense to transport someone to a "common bawdy house." i.e. a fixed location which the "keeper" (owner\operator) employs others to sell sex to "the commons" (public) for his personal material benefit.

This has no bearing whatsoever on a driver transporting an SP to a place of their choosing (i.e. a client's home). A client's home does not meet the definition of a "common bawdy house" because a) it does not exist for the purpose of selling sex; b) it is not open to "commons" (outsiders seeking sex) and c) the so-called "keeper" (the SP's client) does not profit financially from any illicit activities on the premises.


@Angie: Thanks, I see now that my notion for rates is high. $40 per hour seems to be the rate mentioned frequently here.

I guess the other angle here is whether drivers are to be paid strictly for pick ups and drop offs, or if they are also paid to wait for the SP during sessions and check on their well being. A few girls on here have mentioned "back up." What precautions do they take to ensure your safety? Are they pro-active, or strictly reactive?

It's also an offense to provide transportation for compensation without carrier authority. So just the act of driving an SP for money is an offense if you don't have the proper license.
If you take note of the story Pillowtalk referenced, it's unlicensed drivers that were charged, and they weren't talking about drivers licenses.