Translink Extended Fuel Tax

Sir Jim

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OK, so now they are extending the 12 cent fuel tax for transit to Hope and up tp Pemberton. Plus they want another 3 cents. So now my Valley gas is going to be 15 cents (70 cents a gallon) more just so we can host the Olympics for 16 days.

Am I the only one who has had enough of this? Move the Olympics to Calgary.
 

jjinvan

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OK, so now they are extending the 12 cent fuel tax for transit to Hope and up tp Pemberton. Plus they want another 3 cents. So now my Valley gas is going to be 15 cents (70 cents a gallon) more just so we can host the Olympics for 16 days.

Am I the only one who has had enough of this? Move the Olympics to Calgary.
Uh.. since when is the transit tax, which subsidizes translink, going to pay for the Olympics?

Are they using the money to pay for temporary facilities for the olympics? Are they using it to advertise for the olympics? To pay salaries of people working at the sites during the Olympics?

I'm really curious to know where this money is going that is purely the cost of hosting the olympics.

Or are you one of those clueless inDUHviduals who thinks that the RAV line is going to be opened the day before the Olympics and torn down the day after?
 

LonelyGhost

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jjiinvan,

every penny we earn for the next 20 years is going to pay
for that frickin olympic fiasco!

and yeah, they should ship it to Calgary.
 

anonanon

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The olympics will bring in millions and boost tourism. I for one stand behind it. I dont stand behind this tax, which is for translink and not for the olympics.
 

jjinvan

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By the way, I am in no way in favour of this tax. I think that transit should be self funded, if they aren't making money then raise the fares (or do something about their insane unions).

Allowing them to keep pouring more tax money into the black hole of union negotiations and illegal strikes just encourages those running translink to just look for more money anytime there is a union or other problem.

BUT, don't blame the Olympics for the fiasco that is translink.

Otherwise, we might as well blame the fast ferries on the Olympics and charge their cost as a 'cost of the olympics', after all, IF they were still here and running, then SOME people would use them to get to olympic events, right?
 

mick_eight

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JJ would you define a '' insane union '' The transit unions are CAW, Thats canadian auto workers and if they weren't there, the transit system would be a nightmare. The CMA is also a union, I would guess you would not be a member of that insane union either.
 

jjinvan

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The CMA is NOT a union, by any legal definition of a union, including the CRA's definition which says that CMA dues are not union dues under tax law.

CAW and the Telus unions are good examples of union insanity. The BC teacher's union is another example.

How exactly would de-unionizing transit system employees make the system 'a nightmare' ??

Remember that this is a union which blocked translink on several occasions from firing bus drivers who were driving the busses drunk. Yep, that was a great thing for the union to do, wasn't it? Really looking out for the public good.

The only good thing about the transit unions is that when they got on prolonged strikes (often illegal ones) the traffic on the roads in Vancouver is 100% better without all the busses cutting everyone off and breaking down (after being fixed by union mechanics) on every streetcorner.
 

mick_eight

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The CMA is NOT a union, by any legal definition of a union, including the CRA's definition which says that CMA dues are not union dues under tax law.

CAW and the Telus unions are good examples of union insanity. The BC teacher's union is another example.

How exactly would de-unionizing transit system employees make the system 'a nightmare' ??

Remember that this is a union which blocked translink on several occasions from firing bus drivers who were driving the busses drunk. Yep, that was a great thing for the union to do, wasn't it? Really looking out for the public good.

The only good thing about the transit unions is that when they got on prolonged strikes (often illegal ones) the traffic on the roads in Vancouver is 100% better without all the busses cutting everyone off and breaking down (after being fixed by union mechanics) on every streetcorner.
GVRD transit has one of the lowest breakdowns of all transit systems in US or canada. Your info on unions are misguided at least, and wrong at others. CMA is a union, call it what you want, its still a union. You seem to knock what you feel is wrong, but best you dig a little deeper before you make statements that show what little you know about transit or their unions.
 

jjinvan

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The CMA is NOT a union. Since you seem to feel that it is, please provide any evidence of this. Here are several reasons why it is NOT a union.

1) The CMA never enters into any collective bargaining with anyone over anything.

2) Membership in the CMA is completely optional and a significant percentage of practicing physicians in Canada have chosen not to be members (can you say that about translink busdrivers?)

3) CMA membership fees are NOT treated by the government as union dues for tax purposes.

4) The CMA has no say whatsoever in who gets to be a doctor and who doesn't, nor can it deny membership to any licenced physician or limit the number of licenced physicians in Canada.

So, those were just the things I could think of off the top of my head. What exactly do unions do that makes them unions that the CMA also does?

Funny thing, in 30 years in another city with a MUCH larger transit system than Vancouver, I saw FAR FEWER broken down buses than in 5 years in Vancouver. Maybe the other cities just hide them better?

Unions are a useless anachronism which should have been eliminated when they brought in labour laws.

But I'm sure you believe in the idea of overpaid civil servents and bottomless pit crown corporations.
 

mick_eight

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The CMA is NOT a union. Since you seem to feel that it is, please provide any evidence of this. Here are several reasons why it is NOT a union.

1) The CMA never enters into any collective bargaining with anyone over anything.

2) Membership in the CMA is completely optional and a significant percentage of practicing physicians in Canada have chosen not to be members (can you say that about translink busdrivers?)

3) CMA membership fees are NOT treated by the government as union dues for tax purposes.

4) The CMA has no say whatsoever in who gets to be a doctor and who doesn't, nor can it deny membership to any licenced physician or limit the number of licenced physicians in Canada.

So, those were just the things I could think of off the top of my head. What exactly do unions do that makes them unions that the CMA also does?

Funny thing, in 30 years in another city with a MUCH larger transit system than Vancouver, I saw FAR FEWER broken down buses than in 5 years in Vancouver. Maybe the other cities just hide them better?

Unions are a useless anachronism which should have been eliminated when they brought in labour laws.

But I'm sure you believe in the idea of overpaid civil servents and bottomless pit crown corporations.
Just what transit system are you talking about, check some facts first. I've seen the figures for NA and Vancouver is in the top 5 in all aspects. Unions are to protect workers from people just like you. They are not useless, many large corp. would rather deal with a union then with 3500 workers, one at a time. Think about the logistics a little before sprouting off. Also I'd bet the other city was union too
 

jjinvan

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Just what transit system are you talking about, check some facts first. I've seen the figures for NA and Vancouver is in the top 5 in all aspects. Unions are to protect workers from people just like you. They are not useless, many large corp. would rather deal with a union then with 3500 workers, one at a time. Think about the logistics a little before sprouting off. Also I'd bet the other city was union too
How exactly would unions protect anyone from me? I've never had a single unionized employee working for me.

Still waiting for your explanation of how the CMA is a union.

I bet if you asked the CEOs of every major NA corporation if they would rather keep their union or be rid of it, almost all (if not all) of them would say that they would rather get rid of their union.
 

anonanon

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Unions are bad for business, which in turn is bad for the economy. I'm not union, nor would I want to be. Unions are for protecting the lazy and the disinterested of work. Not all union workers are like that, but the percentage is higher than in a non-union company.
 

jjinvan

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Unions are bad for business, which in turn is bad for the economy. I'm not union, nor would I want to be. Unions are for protecting the lazy and the disinterested of work. Not all union workers are like that, but the percentage is higher than in a non-union company.
Don't forget the drinking and driving bus drivers, the union keeps them from getting fired all the time.
 

Randy Whorewald

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Then there are the two union members aboard Queen of the North who were screwing when they were supposed to be driving the ship. Then the union members were instructed not to discuss or cooperate with the investigation.
 

mick_eight

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Don't forget the drinking and driving bus drivers, the union keeps them from getting fired all the time.
Transit gives a leave of absence to drivers convicted of DWI, if it happens again they're gone. You of all people should know that there is about the same number of drunks in all jobs, tho MDs have higher numbers than most. The unions have no special powers to keep someone from being fired, each case is determined by a ruling by the Labour Relations Board. Run them down,not the union that represented the worker.Also I know you would be shocked to find out how many CEOS would rather deal with a union , then with 3000 workers. Try and think a little bit about a company that needs to know it has a stable workforce for x number of years, before bidding a job. Your redneck is begining to show a bit. you need to look over the hump in your wallet and see that those jobs are held by real people just like you, and they should receive the same respect.
 

therealrex

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How exactly would unions protect anyone from me? I've never had a single unionized employee working for me.

Still waiting for your explanation of how the CMA is a union.

I bet if you asked the CEOs of every major NA corporation if they would rather keep their union or be rid of it, almost all (if not all) of them would say that they would rather get rid of their union.
I bet if you asked the CEO's of every major corporation if they would rather keep their employees medical and retirement benefits and coffee breaks or be rid of it, almost all (if not all) of them would say that they would rather get rid of their employees benefits and coffee breaks.
 

slacker

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I'll say right away I probably hate the Olympics being here more than anyone for so many reasons.

But back to Translink, I'm glad they have done whatever it is they did (didn't follow it exactly). Translink was too free to tax without enough representation. And they are all too happy to try and build legacies to leave behind whether their ideas were sane or not.

At any rate, if more tax money needs to be raised, raising the fuel tax is a much better option that some of their other retarded options. Lets see, you can either simply raise the fuel tax as much as needed which doesn't cost any overhead to do or ... you can introduce a parking tax that takes millions to administer and brings in hardly anything while punishing businesses ... or you can add a vehicle levy that again costs a lot of money to administer ... and just costs drivers the same money they would have paid in fuel tax anyway ... actually it didn't make sense as it was there so you could pay for your use of the roads, but it doesn't take into account how much you drive, where a fuel tax does.

Anyway, I think pouring a lot of money into transit in this region is a waste of money. The area is just not dense enough. The RAV line is retarded as it's a pile of money to just go from point A to point B without that much in between, and without any place to extend. They should just leave transit funding where it is at, and I say it mostly should be paid by the users. In the end I'd really wish they would stop taking less money out of my pocket.
 

jjinvan

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Transit gives a leave of absence to drivers convicted of DWI, if it happens again they're gone. You of all people should know that there is about the same number of drunks in all jobs, tho MDs have higher numbers than most. The unions have no special powers to keep someone from being fired, each case is determined by a ruling by the Labour Relations Board. Run them down,not the union that represented the worker.Also I know you would be shocked to find out how many CEOS would rather deal with a union , then with 3000 workers. Try and think a little bit about a company that needs to know it has a stable workforce for x number of years, before bidding a job. Your redneck is begining to show a bit. you need to look over the hump in your wallet and see that those jobs are held by real people just like you, and they should receive the same respect.
I personally know a bus driver who got caught drinking on the job by other drivers MANY times but the union rep told the other drivers that they'd be in big trouble if they reported him. Just like the union pressured all the ferry workers not to cooperate with the police investigation in the sinking of the ferry up north.

As far as CEOs liking/wanting unions, that is the funniest thing I've heard today. Why don't we ask Mr Pocklington what he things of Unions, hmm? Or maybe Mr Milton? Or what about the Telus CEOs who have worked so hard to de-unionize as many jobs as possible and sub-contract everything out to avoid dealing with more union employees. Then there's the Waltons, all the McDonalds franchise owners, do I really need to go on?

I'd love to see some examples of CEOs who say that they are happy that they have a union or that encourage their workers to unionize.
 

mick_eight

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I personally know a bus driver who got caught drinking on the job by other drivers MANY times but the union rep told the other drivers that they'd be in big trouble if they reported him. Just like the union pressured all the ferry workers not to cooperate with the police investigation in the sinking of the ferry up north.

As far as CEOs liking/wanting unions, that is the funniest thing I've heard today. Why don't we ask Mr Pocklington what he things of Unions, hmm? Or maybe Mr Milton? Or what about the Telus CEOs who have worked so hard to de-unionize as many jobs as possible and sub-contract everything out to avoid dealing with more union employees. Then there's the Waltons, all the McDonalds franchise owners, do I really need to go on?

I'd love to see some examples of CEOs who say that they are happy that they have a union or that encourage their workers to unionize.
You just don't get it do you? Alarge corp that has to bid on jobs ie like Dams , bridges etc. use unions because they get trained workers that know their jobs. Try finding good tradespeople for a 500 million job , you won't. They are all in unions. Take the union out of transit , lower the wages and all the trades would go to union jobs and there are lots out there. The buses would be repaired by people with no expeirence, no special training over years on the type there. You think there is breakdowns now, think of your family members riding that bus and a wheel falls off, because the mechanic you've got is in last 5 % of his class and he's the best transit got. You need to look at the real world and see how thing work. Large companies , not service industry like walmart, mickie D, need skilled workers they can depend on, and know they have them for x years. Think oilsands, dams, hydro plants . not if you want curly fries or not. Ask the CEO of those companies what they would like to have. These people have the right to do the best for themselves, just like you. The CMA is to better the members lives, just like a union, so lets not have semantics cloud the basic fact that all people want to better their lives. So let the people do that without unfounded antidotes turning the public against them.
 
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