Toy Gun Used to Scare the Shit outta one of my girls

paigesplaymate

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First, glad to hear your girl is safe.
2. Do NOT think you are "ratting" anyone out and don't let the comments in the 'screwing around' thread get to you. People have a right to the truth about the people in their lives, whether it is in that thread or this one and especially in cases like this one where their safety might be compromised.
Wow thanks for the thread, intresting read, I can't say much on the topic other than girls, clients or whomever get "caught" need to take there own responsiblities for there actions. We make choices and if people we love find out about what happens its no fault but our own.
I use to hide things from my family, was worried all the time that some girl I fired or the other agency in town would "out" me.
Only problem is if they did it wouldnt be anyones fault but my own, if they had that much information on me then it would be obvious I had to big of mouth.
My family read about me in the news papers, I made the choice to put some kinda realistic face on this. It might not be the dream future I had but least Im doing the best I can. I thought by not telling them I was saving them from crying, no I was lieing to them which caused more hurt.
As for Alex an the whole Rat thing, whats this guy doing playing games anyways, thats how people get hurt, thats how drama starts and people take things to far. Ever heard about the little one that cried wolf? You would think a grown man would have better things to do than play head games, you would if this was true the women wouldnt have found the search key.

I really wish people could take responsiblity for there choices and actions.
 

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what is allowed isn't the point I was making. That guy wasn't allowed to be waving a gun around either. Personal safety is paramount.

Bear scare is legal to carry. The smaller cans made for dogs is not, as it's considered concealed. But a big old can of whoop that bears ass is fair game. One blast of that in that fuckers face and he's on the ground crying like a little baby. I'd boot fuck his face on the way out too - if that's allowed. :)
how are you supposed to get your bear scare if you are bare ass naked and your purse with the bear scare in it is on the other side of the room? plus, if i was in a standoff with a person with a gun and all i had was bear scare, all i would be thinking is "im fucked"

glad your girl got out safe paige. just out of curiosity, what is stopping you from having an incall? to me, that would be safer for the girls.
 

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There is always a way. If you are prepared, have an escape plan and are trained to use your weapon of choice...you stand a better chance of escaping than having nothing at all.

The first rule is to never be further away from your bag than an arms reach.

Sifu says...never leave home without your pepper spray. EVER.
 

paigesplaymate

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Dulcinea said:
There is always a way. If you are prepared, have an escape plan and are trained to use your weapon of choice...you stand a better chance of escaping than having nothing at all.

The first rule is to never be further away from your bag than an arms reach.

Sifu says...never leave home without your pepper spray. EVER.
Most people dont know what there doing when it comes to any kinda of weapon and they could just end up pissing someone off, I have always belived the easiest thing to do is listen and if need be your shoes (which you should leave on) your mouth and your fingers are your best bet.
Cops told us that if you get them on the bottom of the nose or there eyes there in instant pain and will tear up causing blurry vision and a reaction for them to grab there eyes...

And they did talk about pepper spray, how many people have it but never used it to see how it sprays, how far it is goes extra, you could be in a small space and only causing yourself more problems.
 

Dulcinea

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Agreed, most people have no clue. One should never carry a weapon that they aren't trained to use and aren't prepared to use. With that being said, take the time to learn to protect yourself from sudden attacks.

I set off my bear scare and was amazed at the the amount of pressure contained in such a small can. I decided 2 hands worked better than one. It covers 9 meters and isn't the best choice for enclosed spaces. It comes out in a cloud.

The dog scare shoots about 3 meters, and in a stream. Better choice for small purses and small spaces. Aim for the eyes.

The best product is mace. One little silent squirt of that, released very discretley is enough to send everyone out of the room coughing, choking and sputtering. Brilliant product, but hard to get around here.

Unfortunatly, the streets are changing and knowing how to punch and kick just isn't enough anymore.
 

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Paige, it doesn't sound like you need any convincing. But I wouldn't mess around with pepper spray or other weapons in these situations. The best defence is a cell phone and to follow the security procedures that your agency has set out ahead of time.

Pepper spray is a big gray area in the law right now.

The Canadian Firearms Centre's F.A.Q. answers the question this way:

Q. Is pepper spray allowed in Canada?

A. Criminal Code Regulations prohibit Mace and similar products designed to injure, immobilize or incapacitate a person. Bear sprays and similarly devices clearly designed for protection from wild animals are allowed.


The Criminal Code Regulation that they are talking about is this one. It defines a prohibited weapon as including:

"any device designed to be used for the purpose of injuring, immobilizing or otherwise incapacitating any person by the discharge therefrom of:

a. tear gas, Mace, or other gas; or,

b. any liquid, spray, powder or other substance that is capable of injuring, immobilizing or otherwise incapacitating any person".

Have a look at this website for more info:

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/compliance-conformite/bulletins/police/bulletin14_e.asp

As I understand it, pepper spray (in whatever size) is not being interpreted as being included in this definition right now, although the police are concerend about small, easily concealable pepper spray devices that don't seem to have much application to animals, but do have the application blasting humans in the face at close range.

One thing is clear though: if you blast someone in the face with pepper spray you are very likely going to be charged with assault with a weapon unless you can show that it was clearly self-defence and that you used no more force than was reasonably necessary - and I don't think your girls are going to want to be having to make that judgement. Better to just get the hell out of there, call on the cellphone, or whatever.

The basic self-defence provision in the Code is as follows:

34. (1) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted without having provoked the assault is justified in repelling force by force if the force he uses is not intended to cause death or grievous bodily harm and is no more than is necessary to enable him to defend himself.

There are situations where you can use deadly force as well, but I'm not going to set out all the variations here. It's basically, you can use force to the level of force you are up against. If you are facing death or grievous bodliy harm... you can respond with deadly force (the test is objective though, i.e... whether a reasonable person in the situation would think they are imminently facing death or grievous bodily harm, not what you yourself think the risk is). If the person is just threatening to punch you, you aren't allowed to kill him to protect yourself. The most you can do is respond in kind to defend yourself. Have a look at the sections of the Code around 34 if you are interested.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/41663.html

Ah hell, I might as well just give you the deadly force one as well...

34. (2) Every one who is unlawfully assaulted and who causes death or grievous bodily harm in repelling the assault is justified if

(a) he causes it under reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the violence with which the assault was originally made or with which the assailant pursues his purposes; and

(b) he believes, on reasonable grounds, that he cannot otherwise preserve himself from death or grievous bodily harm.


Anyway, in my view, blasting someone in the face with pepper spray when they are menacing you or being aggressive or even threatening you in some vauge way.... this is going to be an assault with a weapon and you'll be heading to court. Some of you on this board may not like that very much, but that is my most honest interpretation of the law as it stands. People in this province get convicted for assault with a weapon for pepper spray situations all the time. Most of these are young punks on the Skytrain and crap like that... but you really want to be very careful you know what you are doing before you use a weapon on someone. It's quite a limited thing in our law.
 

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If the victim having the "gun" waved in their face assumes it's a real gun shouldn't that be enough for a weapons charge? I can get charged for threatening someone with a fork or dinner knife, so what difference should it make if the gun isn't a real gun? It's the threat, combined with his other statements about drug dealing , etc. that should warrant a threat. Also - was the BB gun at least confiscated?
 

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Now I keep thinking it says Top Gun :mad: :mad:
 

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paigesplaymate said:
was worried all the time that some girl I fired or the other agency in town would "out" me.
Only problem is if they did it wouldnt be anyones fault but my own, if they had that much information on me then it would be obvious I had to big of mouth.
In your case though Paige, someone ratting you out is just plain malicious because you are not hurting anyone other than you simply find it difficult to explain your job and try and justify it to some people. The guys and/or ladies screwing around on their spouses ARE hurting people by violating a pledge and the other partner has a right to know.
 

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In your case though Paige, someone ratting you out is just plain malicious because you are not hurting anyone other than you simply find it difficult to explain your job and try and justify it to some people. The guys and/or ladies screwing around on their spouses ARE hurting people by violating a pledge and the other partner has a right to know.
No one ratted me out but trust me I have seen some of the most vendictive people when it comes to girls and I didnt want to have to deal with it later on.
I don't care if people screw around, I have heard some reasons I agree with some I dont, its not for me to judge but if a person gets cause then be a man/women and admit what you did, don't leave it to others to explain!!
 
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