Toy Gun Used to Scare the Shit outta one of my girls

[paigesplaymate]

First off I am a little fustrated this morning and tired, last night has me worked into a frinzy.
Last night I had booked a girl out the guy was up front and told me he only had 250, all was well sent the girl on her way.
When her time was up, was called and she was scared shitless. The guy was about 30, on blow so was extreamly yappy bragging about all is druggie friend ect. He lost track of time not that what he was doing would allow him for any fun.
Anyways, he wanted to keep her longer, had no money and decided to bring a handgun out and wave it around saying he was going to do deal with the driver downstairs and she would have to stay.
Driver was alerted and she made it out safe...
Here is the funny part, Im sorry if this makes me a "rat" but dont wave guns at my girls.. I called the police, they called back and about 20 minutes later arrested him, they didnt charge him and let him return home. WHY?? It was a bb-gun and he didnt threaten her, he threatenned the driver...
I thought there was some kinda law against threating people with a toy gun. Im sure if a off duty cop was driving home plain clothes and someone pulled a toy gun on him he would grabing for his gear and asking questions later.
I do have to say talking to the police and them talking to the girl and the driver they were great, they didnt care what she was doing there just and said there happy we report this kinda stuff and have drivers that are outside lurking.
Just a reminder to anyone who works indy, always take someone with you, I hate to think how many times this shit goes down and its not reported because there scared it may put the working girl in a bad light.

 

[ghostie]

I don't know if people find it helpful when other people quote statutes, but I'm going to do it anyway.

Whether or not this guy can be charged with the offence of "uttering threats" depends on what exactly he said to the driver or to the girl. Did he threaten bodily harm or no? Does the driver remember what was said?

264.1 (1) Every one commits an offence who, in any manner, knowingly utters, conveys or causes any person to receive a threat

(a) to cause death or bodily harm to any person;

(b) to burn, destroy or damage real or personal property; or

(c) to kill, poison or injure an animal or bird that is the property of any person.


As a practical problem, if the police have decided not to recommend a charge to Crown counsel, then it is going to be almost impossible to get anywhere on this. There is a provision for a private person to swear an information (i.e., charge the guy with an offence), but I would recommend not bothering with this. The Crown always ends up staying the charge when people try to do this. Just live and learn. Get the word out to other agencies and girls about the guy. That is really the best you can do.

On the imitation weapon thing.... you would think that he would at least fall within this section:

88. (1) Every person commits an offence who carries or possesses a weapon, an imitation of a weapon, a prohibited device or any ammunition or prohibited ammunition for a purpose dangerous to the public peace or for the purpose of committing an offence.

"imitation firearm" means any thing that imitates a firearm, and includes a replica firearm. (and a BB gun made to look like a real firearm easily falls within that definition. A finger poking into your jacket from the inside will qualify for the "armed" part of armed robbery).


The "imitation weapon" thing shows up in the "Assault" section of the Code, as an alternative to actually touching the person:

265. (1) A person commits an assault when

(a) without the consent of another person, he applies force intentionally to that other person, directly or indirectly;

(b) he attempts or threatens, by an act or a gesture, to apply force to another person, if he has, or causes that other person to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose; or

(c) while openly wearing or carrying a weapon or an imitation thereof, he accosts or impedes another person or begs.


Your guy sounds like he was openly carrying an imitation weapn... but did he accost or impede your driver or your girl while doing so?


If he touched anybody while waving the gun around then it would be an assault with a weapon:

267. Every one who, in committing an assault,

(a) carries, uses or threatens to use a weapon or an imitation thereof, or

(b) causes bodily harm to the complainant,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months.


This one is a very serious offence.

Personally I find it quite surprising that the police wouldn't at least recommend a charge to Crown. If the Crown tells them, "No, we can't prove it", then fine, but to not even recommend a charge and just tell the guy to go home and keep his nose clean? That seems pretty lame. Obviously this was very traumatic for your girl, and the law and the police are supposed to be there to protect her too.

 

[Ilovethemall]

why bother

With no intent to downplay this whole thing - the reason I would not charge them if I was a cop would be that some left wing judge would just tell them they are bad and not to do it again.....so really, what the hell is the point? Save the tax dollars.

What should happen is that the cops should take him out back and beat the shit out of him.

 

[LonelyGhost]

that's outrageous on so many levels!

but unfortunately, with our fucked up justice system, the cops can't do much with that kind of situation ...

definitely get the guys name on the 'bad john' list and at the very least, ask the police for a copy of the incident report on this guy.

more than likely this guy will now be on the 'known to police' list and will get his ass busted for something more serious later ...

 

[Ilovethemall]

most humble apologies

Mike, You are correct, there should be a designated beating area....and Stanley Park is a good choice.

 

[hitrack]

My guess is the reason the cops just kinda shrugged the whole thing off is because hookers were involved, I've seen it happen before.

 

[maverick73]

A one track mind?

Damn, when I first read the title, I read it as "Top Gun Used to Scare the Shit outta one of my girls" and I was thinking... hmmmm... Top Gun isn't supposed to be a scary movie, but I GUESS it DOES have scenes of violence that COULD scare a movie newbie???

Man, my eyes are starting to play tricks on me...

 

[paigesplaymate]

My guess is the reason the cops just kinda shrugged the whole thing off is because hookers were involved, I've seen it happen before.

No they said themselves they didnt know what charge was gonna stick and leave it to the crown to decide. The fella did call today, he manages ( rather DID manage) a well known pub/resterant in town and with a few calls I had people down there today trying to see if they could find him. We take a quick pic so we have on file so ladies know if they see him to get the hell out.

Anyways he keeps calling saying sorry and I do belive he is sorry but he fucked up and he has to deal with people knowing what he did. He wants me to try and make it better but I can't. I can only do my job, try and keep the ladies safe, and warn others who maybe around him.
I did lecture him on what could have happened, someone else might have paniced and hurt him, somehow I think a shit kicking would have been less painful than walking around knowing everyone is looking at you knowing what you did..

He did hear we have people looking for him, he doesnt know its cause we were trying to get a phone/pic of him but non the less he called the cops cause he feels threatenned , Isnt that ironic

 

[BS Detector]

Paige

First, glad to hear your girl is safe.
2. Do NOT think you are "ratting" anyone out and don't let the comments in the 'screwing around' thread get to you. People have a right to the truth about the people in their lives, whether it is in that thread or this one and especially in cases like this one where their safety might be compromised.

 

[Big Trapper]

...he keeps calling saying sorry and I do believe he is sorry...

Don't believe that bullshit! This is a classic case of aggression/remorse that every woman beater in history has displayed. Stick to your "guns" (sorry about that) and do not listen to him, and do not get sucked in by his phony remorse. Keep doing what you can to expose him for what he is. Every time you talk to him, you are playing HIS game, and he can play it incessantly - he loves it.

I predict that now you have a first class stalker on your hands.

 

[paigesplaymate]

First, glad to hear your girl is safe.
2. Do NOT think you are "ratting" anyone out and don't let the comments in the 'screwing around' thread get to you. People have a right to the truth about the people in their lives, whether it is in that thread or this one and especially in cases like this one where their safety might be compromised.

Never seen the thread but am going to check it out right now.

 

[paigesplaymate]

I can not find the thread your talking about, can you please post a link..

Thank-ya


And no I don't think I have a stalker now, I hung up on him last time and told him if he keeps calling he just keeps things freash in my mind and it only means I will talk about it more and tell more people. I think he caught on really quick that Im not screwing around.

 

[ghostie]

I would have thought a BB gun counted as a real gun, .

I depends on the velocity of the projectile.

See Criminal Code s.84

84. (3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:

(a) any antique firearm;

(b) any device that is

(i) designed exclusively for signalling, for notifying of distress, for firing blank cartridges or for firing stud cartridges, explosive-driven rivets or other industrial projectiles, and

(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed;

(c) any shooting device that is

(i) designed exclusively for the slaughtering of domestic animals, the tranquillizing of animals or the discharging of projectiles with lines attached to them, and

(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed; and

(d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge

(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second [about 500 feet per second]; or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or

(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.



So the upshot of this.... a BB or pellet gun that fires at a velocity of less than 500 feet per second is not deemed to be a firearm. Most of the BB guns that are made to look like replicas of real handguns fire at a velocity of about 300 to 400 fps.

Now you have some more trivia to tell your friends

 

[ghostie]

My guess is the reason the cops just kinda shrugged the whole thing off is because hookers were involved, I've seen it happen before.

I think hitrack has it right on this whole thing. For whatever reason, the cops tend to write a lot of these situations off to just "hooker troubles", even if it isn't the girl's fault at all.

If someone starting waving (what looked like) a semi-auto around and threatening people in a dispute at the office, do you think the cops would just tell him to chill out and play nice? Or at a school? There was a situation just recently where a kid brought a realistic looking Walther BB gun to a school in Surrey and the RCMP sent in a Emergency Response Team with automatic weapons!! ...ala this kind of thing:

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A vist from these guys would make the schmuk think twice about pulling a gun on a girl.
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I'm not sure what happened to the kid at the school. Suffice to say he was scared shitless.

The VPD get tons of calls related to outcall situations going bad, but they don't seem to want to spend a lot of time on them.

I think this is wrong though, because the situation described in this thread is not just a dispute over money or service, or something like that, it's criminal and should be treated seriously.

Anyway, what can you? Protect yourself and get the word out.

 

[noneasgood]

I think hitrack has it right on this whole thing. For whatever reason, the cops tend to write a lot of these situations off to just "hooker troubles", even if it isn't the girl's fault at all.

If someone starting waving (what looked like) a semi-auto around and threatening people in a dispute at the office, do you think the cops would just tell him to chill out and play nice? Or at a school? There was a situation just recently where a kid brought a realistic looking Walther BB gun to a school in Surrey and the RCMP sent in a Emergency Response Team with automatic weapons!! I'm not sure what happened to the kid.

The VPD get tons of calls related to outcall situations going bad, but they don't seem to want to spend a lot of time on them.

I think this is wrong though, because the situation described in this thread is not just a dispute over money or service, or something like that, it's criminal and should be treated seriously.

Anyway, what can you? Protect yourself and get the word out.

God Almighty. If anyone did this to a cop they'd be lucky if they survived!

 

[ghostie]

God Almighty. If anyone did this to a cop they'd be lucky if they survived!

Exactly, when the cops get a "gun call" they generally don't fool around. Why they took this one so lax I don't know. You would think that if they were faced with having to go into an apartment and arrest an armed man, they would do it like this:

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Or like this.... "Hello retard! Greetings from the COPS!!"
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[Jt11_]

Wow, I bet she was freaked out. That's a scary situation to be in.. especially not knowing it was a toy gun at the time.

 

[Dulcinea]

Hookers should carry pepper spray at all times. They should also be trained in the art of self-defence. A good boss will help them with that, and make the training a part of their employment contract.

This crack head isn't sorry he terrorized your girl, he's sorry he got caught.

 

[paigesplaymate]

I have had the RCMP come in and teach the girls self deffence and they were awsome at helping out. They also adviced drivers of what thre allowed to do if the security call doesnt come or the get a emerg 10/4 from the girls.
Problem is there not allowed to take pepper spray to work, there not allowed to take any kind of thing that can be used as a weapon.
I can't say I agree with it but usually contact information and seeing the ladies show up with a driver instead of in a cab, time calls detour most of the problems that do happen.
Problem is with so many guys being so shy about giving there last name they think they wont get caught, what they dont realize is and Im sure this guy didnt realize is we knew everything about him within minutes.
Stall numbers, licence plate numbers, his employer.
I don't feel sorry for him and I have told everyone I can about this so maybe if another asshole thinks about doing this he will think twice.

 

[Dulcinea]

what is allowed isn't the point I was making. That guy wasn't allowed to be waving a gun around either. Personal safety is paramount.

Bear scare is legal to carry. The smaller cans made for dogs is not, as it's considered concealed. But a big old can of whoop that bears ass is fair game. One blast of that in that fuckers face and he's on the ground crying like a little baby. I'd boot fuck his face on the way out too - if that's allowed.