To shill or not to shill....

[rubintugger]

OK, I've done my time. For those that missed it, I apologise. In deleting those threads, the mods saved you a lot of reading... I know, cause I did a lot of typing in a very short time.

What it all comes down to is a basic difference in opinion. My opinion is that the ladies, especially the new ones, should never be pressured into performing thier services for free or at a discounted rate in exchange for a favourable review on this board. Period.

Others may disagree, but I think that if this board is to be useful, it has to remain unbiased. If you got good service from a lady, and you want to share that info with us, great. Thats what we're here for. Information we can't get anywhere else.

But, at times, it's like PERB becomes a shillfest. Or even an antishillfest. I just want things to stay on an even keel. And civilized.

If I see a shill, I'm gonna call them on it. Sorry. Its my opinion that once we take away the value of a shill's posts, we take away the ability for the shill to take advantage of our fine ladies. And thats what asking for a discount/freebie is, its taking advantage of the ladies. If ya can't afford to pay the lady, go get a paper route and save up.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Rubin

 

[Avery]

My opinion is that the ladies, especially the new ones, should never be pressured into performing their services for free or at a discounted rate in exchange for a favourable review on this board. Period.

Others may disagree....

I doubt very much that anyone would disagree. It's a no-brainer.

It's one reason why i rarely book a lady for the first time as Avery. I use another alter ego, and I don't always identify myself when I leave either. On PERB's sister boards, TERB and MERB, opinion is very much against hobbyists ever identifying themselves, even after several sessions with a lady. I don't take anonymity that far, but I believe it's better to be anonymous until after I post a review.

 

[rubintugger]

You'd think it would be a no-brainer, but I doubt it would be unanimous. What I'd love to see is those that post Yes at least give an explanation...

Rubin

 

[Avery]

In a roundabout way, that was one of my points. There are a couple of guys here who allegedly offer good reviews in exchange for freebies or discounts, but I highly doubt they'd ever go public with an explanation.

On the other hand, there's far less shilling here than on TERB and MERB. Mods are constantly deleting threads on MERB because of shilling, usually for agencies. However, most of the shills are first-time posters (at least under that particular handle), not members who've been around a while.

 

[big_pegger]

I have no problem identifying myself as a perbite in order to ensure good service, but to ask for a monetary discount seems kind of classless. I figure that if the SP knows I visit these boards, she's less likely to give a half-assed session.

 

[Mchatte]

I have been pooning for many years and have never approached or been approached to exchange a discount\freebie for a good review. (Maybe I should look in the mirror?)

I think that the really good SPs know they are good and the great reviews will naturally evolve without any "boosts".

M

 

[logsplitter]

Welcome back Rubintugger! I really don't care if anyone gets a freebe for posting ACURATE information! Generally Slothy's information seems accurate to me.

From my experience I have noticed only one lady that Slothy posted on that I felt was incorrect and in that particular case I think she either misled him or he gave misleading information. I seem to recall a specific part of his thread which read something like 'guys she has changed - her service is now much better (a refference to allowing kissing, datty, fingers, dfk and the like)'. I did not find her service to be a resonable semblence of "full service" and I was not the only one so I doubt that it had much to do with YMMV. On the other hand she was a strikingly beautiful woman with her own tallents that were likely very good but just not what the post by Slothy led me to believe was there.

Again I DONT CARE IF ANYONE GETS A FREEBEW FOR POSTING ACURATE INFORMATION! Go poon go! You just got lucky or mayby she likes you or likes fucking you in particular.

I recently had the pleasure of a vist to one EC lady that I had never seen before. I paid for 1 hr and got 2 hrs thrown in for free with lots of extra fun and my first second shot on goal which I thought impossible for me. I never posted it because I don't believe that she gives that kind of service. I never told her that I was on PERB until I went to leave. A SHILL can take many forms and posting incorrect information in the HOPES of getting any form of a discount or freeby is a SHILL. But posting accurate information that you believe is reflective of the lady's services that can be generally expected is OK even if she gives you extras IMHO.

 

[rubintugger]

Yes, 100% agree. Getting extras from a lady of her own volition is not what I'm pissed about. Posting accurate reviews is not either. If a lady decides that a little extra might get her some favourable coverage, then she is a savvy businesswoman.

The problem I have is when a pooner tells a woman, before the date, that he wants a discount/freebie in exchange for a favourable PERB review. This preys on the woman's fears. I've heard that some actually give it away because they're afraid of what might happen if they don't. Many of these women come from backgrounds where they have been abused/terrorized or taken advantage of in other ways, and to revisit this upon them is not what a gentleman would do.

These pooners may not realize what they are doing and how it could affect the lady. They make just be cheap SOB's. Still, it doesn't excuse using this board (or others like it) as an excuse to take advantage of someone.

The term TOFTT (take one for the team) is used here fairly often. Most of the time, one of us gentlemen pooners will pay for the services of a new lady, and share the results of the visit. These first posts about a lady here can make or break her reputation on the board, and among our group of discerning pooners. These should be accurate posting, with full disclosure about any special deals made in exchange for the review. Again, if a lady decides she needs exposure here, and offers a discount, and the review is accurrate, and the poster notes all of the above in the review, then I have absolutely no problem with that.

But a "Hey, there's a new girl in town and she's the bomb for only $150, PM me for details" just doesn't cut it. Especially when the only description offered is "40ish and hot", and a note that "Kerry and Mandy are great, but this one is new". My golly, thats like saying "Mercedes makes a great car, but this Kia is new". What does that have to do with anything? Does that comparason to the Mercedes tell you anything about the Kia? I don't think so.

There are no reasons a brief physical description can't be offered, an area of town mentioned and a limited menu listing. These things are not subjective, not complementary/desultory to the lady. Just reporting of the facts. Right?

This is an unregulated industry, with a totally underground existance. It shouldn't be. In a civilized country, these services are commonly available, and have been from the dawn of time. But abuse is rampant in the hobby, I'm just trying to make sure the board and members are up a notch above pimp...

Rubin

 

[therealrex]

Its interesting how one post has had you frothing at the mouth for almost 2 weeks now. You might want to increase your Lithium.

 

[Avery]

...I DONT CARE IF ANYONE GETS A FREEBIE FOR POSTING ACURATE INFORMATION!

I do.

Even if the review is a truthful account of what actually happened, it's got to include a statement that the encounter was a freebie, otherwise subsequent clients are risking not receiving the same level of service in a paid encounter. However, I can't imagine anyone ever posting that he received a freebie. Not only would he receive a lot of flak from other members; he'd also be exposing the SP to a lot of similar requests, and her life would become miserable as a result.

It's unacceptable to ask for/receive a freebie in exchange for a good review. And, if a pooner is ever so lucky as to receive a freebie with no quid pro quo, his best course of action is to enjoy it and shut the fuck up!

 

[tom25]

I do.

Even if the review is a truthful account of what actually happened, it's got to include a statement that the encounter was a freebie, otherwise subsequent clients are risking not receiving the same level of service in a paid encounter. However, I can't imagine anyone ever posting that he received a freebie. Not only would he receive a lot of flak from other members; he'd also be exposing the SP to a lot of similar requests, and her life would become miserable as a result.

It's unacceptable to ask for/receive a freebie in exchange for a good review. And, if a pooner is ever so lucky as to receive a freebie with no quid pro quo, his best course of action is to enjoy it and shut the fuck up!

This is a good thread. And remarkably civil so far.

I totally agree with you Avery. I've never been offered a freebie, nor have I requested one. I've always paid what I've been told the appropriate donation is. In fact, if anything I frequently pay more. I usually identify myself as from PERB, but I never tell the sp whether I'm going to write a review or not. In many instances I don't write a review, often because the lady has been reviewed a lot already and it doesn't seem warranted. Sometimes if I don't enjoy myself as much as I hope I examine carefully the reasons. Often I decide there was nothing wrong with the service, but rather the lady just wasn't right for me. That I didn't click with her the way I do with others. Not her fault, and nothing warranting a negative review, although a positive one would be dishonest.

In any event, if one does receive a freebie (unsolicited by the poon) its likely because the lady really does like you, or wants to reward a regular client. The level of service in that instance is almost invariably going to be different than what any other poon might receive.

I don't care that the guy got a freebie. Fine. But don't post a review of that session, particularly not implying it was a regular paid for session. Its clearly something very, very different.

Rubin, I respect your opinion greatly. And I agree totally that "selling" reviews in exchange for service is totally unacceptable. But at the same time always calling shill on Slothy after awhile makes you look like you have a vendetta against the guy. If there is any merit in your claims, increasingly it just looks like a personal attack and the danger is you undermine the legitimacy of trying to decrease the value of a shill review.

I'm not wading in on the question of whether you are right or wrong. I just don't know and I really don't have any evidence to support one side of this dispute or the other. But increasingly it just looks like you have it in for Slothy and that doesn't help your cause.

Tom

 

[BS Detector]

I don't agree with

exchanging a good review for discount/freebie. I have never done it, never been asked to.

I do however think one should be careful in labelling another as a shill as we all have our favourites and it may be for reasons or services that another (or even MOST others) may not care for. He should be allowed to post that without being ridiculed. I believe it is even more important for that person to post because if she offers something MOST others don't like, it will be even more difficult for the few that are looking to find it. If the poster is ridiculed, he is less likely to post and those looking are less likely to find.

 

[WpgTrucker]

One of the reasons I never did a review of Sasha was that I didn't want to be labeled a shill. Marshall gave me credit for finding Sasha, if I had written a review of her, I certainly would have been labeled a shill. Sasha has never offered me a discount or a freebie to write a review for her, but I still feel I would have been called a shill for writing one. So in some instances an SP business can suffer because of the so called shilling thing.

Just my 2 cents

WT

 

[Chantal]

I am not trying to be over the board,but I have been told by other "pooners that I was offering this suppose discount for a favorable review..In all reality..I never wanted to be spoken of...,and made fun of,,, ..I was always confident in my demeanour,and never even wanted to be reviewed, because I am some what? or very what? "discreet"...I believe it is the "Ambiance" that sets the mood,and "the beauty is in the eye of the beholder"...I am struggling with the review thing ,because everyone one taste differs...I do not believe any girl should compromise her "being fo a Favorable review"....It is a Humble Opinion......Chantal

 

[Avery]

One of the reasons I never did a review of Sasha was that I didn't want to be labeled a shill. Marshall gave me credit for finding Sasha, if I had written a review of her, I certainly would have been labeled a shill. Sasha has never offered me a discount or a freebie to write a review for her, but I still feel I would have been called a shill for writing one.

I don't know why someone like you would be afraid of being labelled a shill. As long as you post a review that convinces the readers that you really saw a lady as a client, you're not likely to be called a shill. Just report your experience honestly with sufficient detail, and you'll have few problems.

Most shill reviews are dead easy to spot. They're usually poorly written, lacking in detail, and posted by newbies about a lady who was previously unknown or had previously received poor reviews from credible reviewers.

My only issue with Slothy's review of Rene that started this controversy was that he should have provided more detail. I never doubted that he saw her as a paying client.

 

[Avery]

...but I have been told by other "pooners that I was offering this suppose discount for a favorable review...

I have never heard such an accusation about you.

In all reality..I never wanted to be spoken of...and made fun of...

That's ancient history. Let's not go back there.

...and never even wanted to be reviewed...

If you advertise, I believe you're fair game for reviews. If you don't want to be reviewed, you should arrange that with clients before you see them.

I am struggling with the review thing, because everyone's taste differs...

Absolutely! That's why it's important to see lots of reviews. It helps the pooners to form a more comprehensive picture of a lady.

I do not believe any girl should compromise her "being fo a Favorable review"....

Agreed!

 

[rubintugger]

Wow,

Almost 10% say "Yes".

I wonder if those that answered "Yes" actually understand the question.

My question is... is it OK to call up an SP you've never seen before, and tell them "I'm Rubin, I'm on this PERB board and I can write you a good review and get you some more clients. But, you have to do me for free or else I won't do it."

I'm not talking about a lady giving you a little extra in hopes of a better review. I'm talking out and out pressure to give a discount or freebie in exchange for a review.

I think that to do a reveiw, the poon must actually have seen the lady. Actually engaged in the acts he claims she provides. Actually have visited her place. If these haven't happened, why is the review posted? We're the ones that are hurt. By reckless posting pooners.

Sure, everyone is different, and you may click with someone I don't click with. And someone you don't click with, I may. But posting a review based on total fabrications, that should never happen again.

Rubin

 

[therealrex]

Don't post a poll if you're not prepared to hear what people think you've made your point and 13% of the people disagree with you. Move on.

 

[Avery]

I have to agree with rex on that one. 85% in favour of your position is an overwhelming result in an anonymous internet poll.

Besides, some of those who voted "yes" probably did so just to be perverse, knowing it would likely upset you.

 

[mushkateer]

Is this Bill O' Reilly or Anderson 360?

Why should everyone have to be on the left or the right.

Opinions will always be different.