? Tipping becoming expected now in this industry or is it being added into the rates

normisanas

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WHY YOU ASK ? because normisanas himself agrees with himself he is an ass. Lol

I just think his mind is in the gutter ?
Do you always initiate discussion with someone by calling them names? Notice I didn't call you one? That's because I'm not immature and childish, I speak to people like they are adults and don't resort to name calling.

That being said, I was referring to what is happening in micros. There are plenty of posts on Perb with regard to this. And no, not everything people say applies to YOU.
 

Poseidon

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Do you always initiate discussion with someone by calling them names? Notice I didn't call you one? That's because I'm not immature and childish, I speak to people like they are adults and don't resort to name calling.

That being said, I was referring to what is happening in micros. There are plenty of posts on Perb with regard to this. And no, not everything people say applies to YOU.

I don't think she meant anything by it as she is referring to your Handle,

Norm is an Ass
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HunkyBill

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I sometimes tip. Usually I tip in the form of a gift, or repeat business as I'm sure the sp appreciates the repeat business more than tips.
I am all for that...I do that as well sometimes. But many people frivolously tip, no matter what the price. I think it has to do with feeling good about themselves and taking pity on the recipient. I guess it's kinda like donating to a charity. People do it just to feel good, especially when it's hyped. However, in reality the extra cash they're dishing out may not be going to where they initially intended it to go to.

Going back to my post. My thinking is if you're going to post a review of a girl, don't indicate that you've tipped. If you do, then I am inclined to think there's some hidden agenda on your part in advertising that you tipped. You are also setting the expectation that it is the norm and indirectly sending a message that we all should tip. It really irks me when some people even tip at least 15% when service is bad at an establishment.

I believe that at least among the asian service providers, there is a trend in that their rates are rising or they're becoming assertive in asking or expecting a tip.
 

normisanas

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I don't think she meant anything by it as she is referring to your Handle,

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Even I get Ms. Jessica's school humor
You get it because you're not the one that is the target of the humor. For your information, normisanas is "Normis" & "Anas", latin for a molecular property. Even though you could find it funny if I made fun of your handle, it does put a different spin on things if it were done in the context of a malicious post, doesn't it? I thought we were supposed to be here to have civil discourse.
 

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Actually, I'm not arguing that. I even agree with that. Plenty of ladies over the years have been forthcoming and noted that they have made the decision to raise their rates because they've spent time and effort to build a reputation and provide an overall experience for their clients, including all of the appropriate amenities and an upscale incall, that they feel they deserve an increased rate. To be honest, I would never even be so presumptuous to expect that any lady should need to justify her reasons to us as to how she determined her rates. No lady ever needs to justify that to me but those who have proffered those reasonings for the forum have the same respect from me that they always have had.

I also absolutely accept that any lady entering the industry must do comparative studying of the ads and sites of SPs whom they believe that they would be on par with in terms of age, looks, services offered, location and many of the other variables involved when determining where she will set her own rates. So, perhaps if a lady has underestimated her rate upon entering the industry, she will hopefully soon learn that she can command a rate more in line with others to whom she's comparable and she will raise them appropriately. This usually occurs due to the demand for her time from clients and potential clients.

In your example, the tradesman with years of experience has probably already set his rate based on his experience and knowledge of the industry and in order to remain competitive in the current market. So, if they see that "some dude with a toolbelt and a pickup" who does inferior work is asking a rate that's on par or higher than their own, they would most likely have a good laugh at that persons expense rather than raise their own already carefully determined rate out of some notion that they "deserve" more than that other guy's perhaps inflated sense of what he's worth.

But I also realize that this is a flawed analogy for a number of reasons. As we're often reminded by the ladies of this business, we shouldn't try to draw these types of comparisons due to the rather unique and very personal variables of this specific industry.

In any case, I do understand the point you're making and agree with your perspective that better service is deserving of a fair rate. But my opinion still stands about the flawed logic and pettiness of the stated reason in the quoted post about "why" this particular lady decided to raise her rates.

Again, let me be absolutely clear: I don't know what this lady's current rates are, nor what they were prior to having raised them. This is NOT about me bemoaning someone's rate nor any lady's choice to set her rate any way she pleases. It's simply my opinion about the reason as stated in the quote.
Man Mountain I have seen Brynn a few times and her L A S are all exceptional to me. I have also reviewed her as such and I always tip her accordingly because she does go the extra mile any time we have been together. She definitely does not have to justify any increase in the donation IMHO. I know some will flame me for this but I stand by my words as a fairly experienced hobbyist.
 

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Ok, Cameron... I do not like to argue on the boards so I will simply state my reply to your questions.

Yes, I have seen non-indys split tips. with drivers, other girls and receptionist. if you have a good night everyone has a good night. it is considered a courtesy to split it up in some occasions. depending on who has done what.

Agreed, pussy is NOT hamburger; however, I believe that seeing an escort is not a luxury, it is very common. The choice on who you see is a luxury.

Since it's only you and the girl in the room, how would the agency or micro even know if you tipped or not? :confused:

I personally tip if I feel if the service and attitude warrant a tip. Like my review for Vannah stated, she tried very hard so I gave her a tip but she refused it. If the service/attitude is average or lackluster then no tip and I won't be going back.
 

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Man Mountain I have seen Brynn a few times and her L A S are all exceptional to me. I have also reviewed her as such and I always tip her accordingly because she does go the extra mile any time we have been together. She definitely does not have to justify any increase in the donation IMHO. I know some will flame me for this but I stand by my words as a fairly experienced hobbyist.
Boys, this is a dead issue. An individual pooner can not influence a ladies rate. Ultimately she can command whatever she wants as she can adjust her rates according to what the market demands from her. I agree with you badbadboy, Brynn does give exceptional services and she can demand what the market allows her to.

Ultimately If an Sp's rates increase and we can no longer afford her services. We just have to move on to the next new talent. There is always new talent coming in and out of this industry with affordable and justifiable rates. Trust me, I have seen them come and go. Of course, I keep the true gems to myself.:D
 

Poseidon

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You get it because you're not the one that is the target of the humor. For your information, normisanas is "Normis" & "Anas", latin for a molecular property. Even though you could find it funny if I made fun of your handle, it does put a different spin on things if it were done in the context of a malicious post, doesn't it? I thought we were supposed to be here to have civil discourse.
Grab a sense of humor, in layman's term that is how we interpreted it. So end of discussion. Oh and if you want to make fun of my name feel free.
 

normisanas

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Grab a sense of humor, in layman's term that is how we interpreted it. So end of discussion. Oh and if you want to make fun of my name feel free.
OK thanks, I won't take it, it's not my ethic. Sure wish you would respect mine, especially since you've decided to be an interloper on the discussion.
 

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I'm not understanding why some guys feel the need to gloat or brag about how grand of a tipper they are. I know it might be subtle, but I find the truly classy gentlemen are discreet tippers and never feel the need to talk about it. They tip because they want to, for whatever reasons, and don't need to make a scene about it, here or otherwise.

Just a minor observation. Carry on...
 

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SP rates are climbing, from my observation thus far, as much as 20% from the beginning of the year.

I've noticed more and more posts where reviewers are adding in that they've tipped their SP.

Many non indy SPs don't keep their tips. In some rare cases they do, but in most the tip is split between the girls working or it's given back to the "house".

Basic economics dictates that the supplier will charge what the market will bear.
You seem to be trying to make the argument that tipping leads to increasing rates. Yet you understand supply/demand.

I don't think tipping is a new behaviour or that it is significantly more common than previously. And I don't think that pooners tip as a matter of course. I fail to see why the behaviour of a small number of pooners on an infrequent basis will lead to higher rates.


I sometimes tip. Usually I tip in the form of a gift, or repeat business as I'm sure the sp appreciates the repeat business more than tips.
I personally think the best tip you can give to any escort is repeat business.
I don't see repeat business as a tip. A tip is something given to recognize good service. To me this makes sense for conventional low wage jobs and at the lower end of SP rates. For SPs at $200 per hour and more, I think a tip only makes sense to recognize exceptional service and/or attitude.

A tip is something given in addition to the regular rate. Repeat business isn't a tip, because as long as you continue to pay the same rate you aren't giving anything extra. That isn't to say that SPs won't appreciate repeat visits for any number of reasons, but the reason that you are repeating is to get good service/attitude again and not out of some unselfish motivation.


A pussy is not a hamburger.
I always thought it was more like a mild soft taco.


Absolutely! But you must admit that, no matter how common it is, seeing an SP, no matter what her donation, is not for people who can't afford it. I'm tired of hearing about the figures men in sports make, but then having to listen to people gripe about the cost of an service provider. If you don't like it, just don't see that SP. Pretty simple.
Clients need to keep in mind that when a girl decides to go indy, there is now advertising to pay for, an incall to rent/maintain, lack of security (unless you want to pay for that as well), condoms, sheets, photos, possible furnishings...the list really does go on.

I upped my rates after paying close attention to the board and realizing that a girl who hates her life, has a drug habit, a shitty personality, and openly only tolerates her clients vs. someone who actually puts the effort in, just doesn't deserve as much.
I'm sorry but this is some pretty flawed logic. As clients, of course we agree that the types of women that you criticize don't "deserve" as much as the ones who provide us with a quality experience. But when you raise your rates as some "symbol" to yourself or potential clients that you feel you "deserve" more than an SP that you've judged is not on par with the experience you provide, you're not punishing the types of women that you criticize. You're punishing your potential clients, who will now either have to see you at an increased rate or they will choose to see those other SPs because their rates are more in line with these clients' budgetary comfort levels.
Where did Cameron give even the slightest suggestion that she was trying to punish other SPs or clients? When you agree that the women who provide a lesser experience don't deserve as much as the ones who provide a quality experience, then doesn't that mean a woman that provides a quality experience "deserves" more?

For some reason you are getting hung up on language. When Cameron uses the words "deserve" she is using it in a particular way. It can definitely be interpreted more broadly, but you seem to be trying to win an argument based on taking it out of the narrow context that I believe Cameron intended.
 
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I always thought it was more like a mild soft taco.
Bahahahahaha!! Seriously hilarious! And now I want taco time :confused:

Where did Cameron give even the slightest suggestion that she was trying to punish other SPs or clients? When you agree that the women who provide a lesser experience don't deserve as much as the ones who provide a quality experience, then doesn't that mean a woman that provides a quality experience "deserves" more?

For some reason you are getting hung up on language. When Cameron uses the words "deserve" she is using it in a particular way. It can definitely be interpreted more broadly, but you seem to be trying to win an argument based on taking it out of the narrow context that I believe Cameron intended.
Thank you for doing a better job clarifying what I meant. When I said I upped my rates after paying attention to the board, I meant just that. I have great reviews. And I think I have great reviews because I like what I do, for the most part. Getting into this industry wasn't a light decision for me, but I decided, especially when I went indy, that if I was going to be a "whore" (nice wording, dickhead. Seems you're not above using our services though), I wanted to be really good at what I do, which is what I'm striving to do. I'm the person that, if I'm not amazing at something from the beginning, I get frustrated and I don't want to do it anymore. Good thing I seem to be a good SP, because I really enjoy sex.

Also, having a slightly (it was a $20 increase) higher rate/nixing a half hour option allows me to see less people. I'm a low-volume provider, usually seeing 1-2 clients in a day. That's just what works for me and my comfort level.

And about tipping: never expected, always appreciated. I am always shocked and appreciative of a tip at the end of our time together. Whether or not someone mentions on the board that they tipped me, I wouldn't expect others to do the same. I expect people making $9/hour to be pissed at not making tips, not escorts.
 
Since it's only you and the girl in the room, how would the agency or micro even know if you tipped or not? :confused:

I personally tip if I feel if the service and attitude warrant a tip. Like my review for Vannah stated, she tried very hard so I gave her a tip but she refused it. If the service/attitude is average or lackluster then no tip and I won't be going back.
Just to clarify, it was done as a courtesy. A Share the wealth kind of idea. Having the driver and phone girl on your side just means more calls for you. I never count all my money until I got home. Usually if you had a good tipper, you would say as soon as you get to the car " woo hoo, great guy! McDonalds for everyone, I am buying". Then the car of you would go for dinner and the next lady might do it the following night. Some nights when there are no calls, no tips, then you buy your own dinner!!!!

You have to understand. We spent hours in the car together driving all around the city. We saw each other at our best and our worst. We were like you typical dysfunctional "family"! :D
 

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Man Mountain I have seen Brynn a few times and her L A S are all exceptional to me. I have also reviewed her as such and I always tip her accordingly because she does go the extra mile any time we have been together. She definitely does not have to justify any increase in the donation IMHO. I know some will flame me for this but I stand by my words as a fairly experienced hobbyist.
I certainly won't flame you for your appreciation of Brynn. But I will point out that I never once insinuated that Brynn, nor any other SP, ever has to justify the rate they've set nor an increase in their set rates. Please note that I was engaging in a discussion with Brynn and not about Brynn.

Man Mountain I have seen Brynn a few times and her L A S are all exceptional to me. I have also reviewed her as such and I always tip her accordingly because she does go the extra mile any time we have been together. She definitely does not have to justify any increase in the donation IMHO. I know some will flame me for this but I stand by my words as a fairly experienced hobbyist.
Boys, this is a dead issue. An individual pooner can not influence a ladies rate. Ultimately she can command whatever she wants as she can adjust her rates according to what the market demands from her.
Since you're quoting a a post that was directed at me, I will again state that I absolutely agree with this. I believe that I attempted to make it very clear over numerous posts that this is, in fact, my opinion as well.

you seem to be trying to win an argument
I'd like to address this first because it was not my intention to "win an argument". I was attempting to express an opinion about a very specific notion that I quoted. And I was further attempting to explain why I held that opinion. Given that I spent the better part of three or more posts thereafter attempting to clarify and expound on my original opinion, it would seem that I was less than effective in doing so originally.

For some reason you are getting hung up on language.
You're absolutely right that I'm getting hung up on language. Just the way you now appear to be hung up on semantics. This is a forum where we express our opinions and ideas in the written form. So, the language and words that we use to express those ideas are all we really have. I have tried to be as clear as possible and have admitted that I have probably come up short originally but my opinion about the passage that I originally quoted still stands. Upon re-reading some of my posts that have been quoted, I see how I would now make some subtle clarifications to my original ideas. But at this point, the lady in question has posted what is a very different idea than the original, so for me to go back and continue to attempt to clarify why I felt the way I did seems redundant and unnecessary.

Let me just say that I never even would've commented if this is what had originally been posted: (since I've made subtle edits, I won't attribute the quote directly to her but we can all see that this is essentially what she has posted since that original quoted post)

I upped my rates after paying attention to the board. I have great reviews. And I think I have great reviews because I like what I do, for the most part. Getting into this industry wasn't a light decision for me, but I decided, especially when I went indy, that if I was going to be a service provider, I wanted to be really good at what I do, which is what I'm striving to do. I'm the person that, if I'm not amazing at something from the beginning, I get frustrated and I don't want to do it anymore. Good thing I seem to be a good SP, because I really enjoy sex.

Also, having a slightly (it was a $20 increase) higher rate/nixing a half hour option allows me to see less people. I'm a low-volume provider, usually seeing 1-2 clients in a day. That's just what works for me and my comfort level.
 

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I certainly won't flame you for your appreciation of Brynn. But I will point out that I never once insinuated that Brynn, nor any other SP, ever has to justify the rate they've set nor an increase in their set rates. Please note that I was engaging in a discussion with Brynn and not about Brynn.



Since you're quoting a a post that was directed at me, I will again state that I absolutely agree with this. I believe that I attempted to make it very clear over numerous posts that this is, in fact, my opinion as well.



I'd like to address this first because it was not my intention to "win an argument". I was attempting to express an opinion about a very specific notion that I quoted. And I was further attempting to explain why I held that opinion. Given that I spent the better part of three or more posts thereafter attempting to clarify and expound on my original opinion, it would seem that I was less than effective in doing so originally.



You're absolutely right that I'm getting hung up on language. Just the way you now appear to be hung up on semantics. This is a forum where we express our opinions and ideas in the written form. So, the language and words that we use to express those ideas are all we really have. I have tried to be as clear as possible and have admitted that I have probably come up short originally but my opinion about the passage that I originally quoted still stands. Upon re-reading some of my posts that have been quoted, I see how I would now make some subtle clarifications to my original ideas. But at this point, the lady in question has posted what is a very different idea than the original, so for me to go back and continue to attempt to clarify why I felt the way I did seems redundant and unnecessary.

Let me just say that I never even would've commented if this is what had originally been posted: (since I've made subtle edits, I won't attribute the quote directly to her but we can all see that this is essentially what she has posted since that original quoted post)
Fair enough MM. I have no problem with what you said and it does apply to quite a few SP's. Some are just doing longer lengths of a visit vs doing more shorter appointments.
 

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I guess this topic keeps on coming back.

SPs (independents anyway) are independent contractors, they tell you what their rate is and you either agree to it or you don't see them. Whatever a "tip" is in that scenario, it is built into her rate, so tipping is not necessary. If she wants more, she will increase her rate. In fact, if she is regarded as professional, tipping her is actually demeaning. You don't tip your doctor, or your dentist, your plumber, or your financial advisor - no one would even think of doing that. I think it is somewhat different with agency girls since they are for all practical purposes employees, so there might be a better argument for tips in their case.

Normally the general rule is that if the person providing the service is being paid minimum wage and depends on tips to make up the balance for a living wage, then you tip. If they are being paid a living wage, or are independent contractors, you don't tip.

As far as an SPs actual rate is concerned, I don't think it can really be measured against the level of service provided by other SPs. There will be generally accepted guidelines in the market based on what most other SPs are charging, since she will want to get the most money she can for the service, but at the same time not have a fee so high that no one will see her. Within those constraints she will set a fee she considers reasonable. Plus, there will be an element of filtering involved - if an SPs fee is on the higher end, she is less likely to see "undesirable" clients (ie the bottomfeeders).
 

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Boys, this is a dead issue. An individual pooner can not influence a ladies rate.
Correct. Not ONE individual can influence the rate; however a group can. The group may be trying to change the culture and of course, cause the SP to raise their fees accordingly--supply and demand based on what the market is prepared to pay. , Whether or not this is actually happening, I guess we will never know.

You seem to be trying to make the argument that tipping leads to increasing rates. Yet you understand supply/demand.

I don't think tipping is a new behaviour or that it is significantly more common than previously. And I don't think that pooners tip as a matter of course. I fail to see why the behaviour of a small number of pooners on an infrequent basis will lead to higher rates.
I agree that it's not a new behavior but I disagree when you say it is not more common now. I do think the group is becoming larger, especially since many handlers are reading the reviews here.
 

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I guess this topic keeps on coming back.

SPs (independents anyway) are independent contractors, they tell you what their rate is and you either agree to it or you don't see them. Whatever a "tip" is in that scenario, it is built into her rate, so tipping is not necessary. If she wants more, she will increase her rate. In fact, if she is regarded as professional, tipping her is actually demeaning. You don't tip your doctor, or your dentist, your plumber, or your financial advisor - no one would even think of doing that. I think it is somewhat different with agency girls since they are for all practical purposes employees, so there might be a better argument for tips in their case.

Normally the general rule is that if the person providing the service is being paid minimum wage and depends on tips to make up the balance for a living wage, then you tip. If they are being paid a living wage, or are independent contractors, you don't tip..

As a relative newcomer to this scene, I have to ask: is this true? I certainly wouldn't want to offend Mistress if tipping is 'demeaning' or inappropriate. It hasn't been articulated to me so far. I do not feel it's anyone's business whether I do or don't, but if I do it's for all well-intentioned reasons. :confused:
 

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As a relative newcomer to this scene, I have to ask: is this true? I certainly wouldn't want to offend Mistress if tipping is 'demeaning' or inappropriate. It hasn't been articulated to me so far. I do not feel it's anyone's business whether I do or don't, but if I do it's for all well-intentioned reasons. :confused:
For "normal" escort situations, the idea that tipping is "demeaning" is definitely not something that everyone agrees on. Tugela may want people to behave that way and I'm sure a fair number of people agree with him, but this is hardly a universally held view. I believe Tugela is taking advantage of two somewhat different meanings of the word "professional" to support his point.

For someone who appears to be in a "slave" situation, I'd advise caution. I have no experience with that kind of "mistress", nor the other kind actually. I'm reasonably sure that interactions that are appropriate in "normal" situations may go badly awry for "slaves".
 
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