? Tipping becoming expected now in this industry or is it being added into the rates

[leoghaire]

if I am paying more for an hour than most guys make in a day I tend not to be too concerned about leaving a tip.

 

[luvsdaty]

I tip for good service. but usually only to the person that cuts my hair and serves my meals and coffee. Someone who's only making the minimum. With escorts i'll occasionally give a gift, a lot of girls have requested fish once they find out what I do for a living. I just don't get giving a tip to someone who charges me as much or more than my accountant and lawyer?

 

[InTheBum]

 

[DeviantAsian]

I don't expect to receive a tip or a gift. It is always a nice surprise. I do not think that most SPs expect to receive tips.

 

[Man Mountain]

I upped my rates after paying close attention to the board and realizing that a girl who hates her life, has a drug habit, a shitty personality, and openly only tolerates her clients vs. someone who actually puts the effort in, just doesn't deserve as much.

I'm sorry but this is some pretty flawed logic. As clients, of course we agree that the types of women that you criticize don't "deserve" as much as the ones who provide us with a quality experience. But when you raise your rates as some "symbol" to yourself or potential clients that you feel you "deserve" more than an SP that you've judged is not on par with the experience you provide, you're not punishing the types of women that you criticize. You're punishing your potential clients, who will now either have to see you at an increased rate or they will choose to see those other SPs because their rates are more in line with these clients' budgetary comfort levels. And it's already quite likely that the types of women that you criticize have set their rates based on what they believe the market will bear by doing a comparative study of current rates of ladies like yourself. So, guess what? You raise your rates and they may believe that they too can command a similar higher rate.

Let me be clear before the attacks come: I don't begrudge any SP the right to set her rate at whatever she feels her time and effort are worth. And this isn't me bemoaning someone's rate. It's simply me pointing out what I saw as a flawed and, quite frankly, petty reason for an SP to make the decision to raise her rates.

 

[Blonde Brynn]

I'm sorry but this is some pretty flawed logic. As clients, of course we agree that the types of women that you criticize don't "deserve" as much as the ones who provide us with a quality experience. But when you raise your rates as some "symbol" to yourself or potential clients that you feel you "deserve" more than an SP that you've judged is not on par with the experience you provide, you're not punishing the types of women that you criticize. You're punishing your potential clients, who will now either have to see you at an increased rate or they will choose to see those other SPs because their rates are more in line with these clients' budgetary comfort levels. And it's already quite likely that the types of women that you criticize have set their rates based on what they believe the market will bear by doing a comparative study of current rates of ladies like yourself. So, guess what? You raise your rates and they may believe that they too can command a similar higher rate.

Let me be clear before the attacks come: I don't begrudge any SP the right to set her rate at whatever she feels her time and effort are worth. And this isn't me bemoaning someone's rate. It's simply me pointing out what I saw as a flawed and, quite frankly, petty reason for an SP to make the decision to raise her rates.

With all due respect, it's pretty standard in any industry to raise your rates above those who offer a lesser service than you. A tradesman with years of experience charging more than some dude with a toolbelt and a pickup isn't punishing his potential customers just because they may not be able to afford it. While many aspects of a hierarchical notion of sex trade workers are problematic, an expectation of more money for more service isn't one of them.

 

[VanessaofBC]

...snip

I personally think the best tip you can give to any escort is repeat business.

I think most would agree with this statement. I would rather make a good connection with a few, then have to see new clients all the time.

For myself, that is why I like to keep my rates low. To encourage repeat clients. It works.

 

[VanessaofBC]

Once again, the charmer. Many of them make 300/350/400 or more - what do you call them? You are a real gentleman.

U think SOMEONE is in a bad mood today, haymitch?

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[Peyton Anders]

Tipping is always appreciated, a lady should never expect nor demand gratuities.

We structure our rates to compensate for time and services, if someone chooses to go above and beyond that it is a personal choice. Tipping should never buy one's favour or preference, however.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

snip...when you raise your rates as some "symbol" to yourself or potential clients that you feel you "deserve" more than an SP that you've judged is not on par with the experience you provide, you're not punishing the types of women that you criticize. You're punishing your potential clients, who will now either have to see you at an increased rate or they will choose to see those other SPs because their rates are more in line with these clients' budgetary comfort levels.

Believe it or not, most visitors do not ultimately choose their lady based on budgetary comfort levels. A few years back, I noticed a frequent comment in reviews, it went something like this: "well, what did you expect buddy, for $150?" This caused me to re-think the $150-hr donation for the fs gfe experience that I was offering.

First of all, I didn't want to be lumped in with others in the category of "a lower rate equalled an expectation of poor(er) service" because I knew that the service I offered and the reviews were both excellent.

Secondly, I didn't want gentlemen overlooking my ad because "well, you know what kind of service you get for $150".

Since the decision to raise the donation for my playtime, I have exceeded my expectations on the calibre of my visitor, as well as watched my repeat percentages increase by an additional 25%. And btw, I did not raise the donation for the original repeat visitors, in respect for their willingness to pay me a visit at the lower rate and find out for themselves, and as a way to thank them for their continued loyalty.

You may want to re-think your logic, just sayin'...

 

[Peyton Anders]

Believe it or not, most visitors do not ultimately choose their lady based on budgetary comfort levels. A few years back, I noticed a frequent comment in reviews, it went something like this: "well, what did you expect buddy, for $150?" This caused me to re-think the $150-hr donation for the fs gfe experience that I was offering.

First of all, I didn't want to be lumped in with others in the category of "a lower rate equalled an expectation of poor(er) service" because I knew that the service I offered and the reviews were both excellent.

Secondly, I didn't want gentlemen overlooking my ad because "well, you know what kind of service you get for $150".

Since the decision to raise the donation for my playtime, I have exceeded my expectations on the calibre of my visitor, as well as watched my repeat percentages increase by an additional 25%. And btw, I did not raise the donation for the original repeat visitors, in respect for their willingness to pay me a visit at the lower rate and find out for themselves, and as a way to thank them for their continued loyalty.

You may want to re-think your logic, just sayin'...

Well said. Lowered rates are a double edged sword. Ultimately rates should reflect what a lady believes as her personal worth for her time. Even if someone is greatly overpriced for a certain market, one should never question the value a woman puts on her body, personality, or service -- whether or not the majority deems it "too expensive". If you feel that it's not a worthy spending of your money, then you move on and find a lady who is more suited to your pooning budget. Most respectable SPs will never judge you on that.

 

[Man Mountain]

With all due respect, it's pretty standard in any industry to raise your rates above those who offer a lesser service than you. A tradesman with years of experience charging more than some dude with a toolbelt and a pickup isn't punishing his potential customers just because they may not be able to afford it. While I agree that many aspects of a hierarchical notion of sex trade workers are problematic, an expectation of more money for more service isn't one of them.

Actually, I'm not arguing that. I even agree with that. Plenty of ladies over the years have been forthcoming and noted that they have made the decision to raise their rates because they've spent time and effort to build a reputation and provide an overall experience for their clients, including all of the appropriate amenities and an upscale incall, that they feel they deserve an increased rate. To be honest, I would never even be so presumptuous to expect that any lady should need to justify her reasons to us as to how she determined her rates. No lady ever needs to justify that to me but those who have proffered those reasonings for the forum have the same respect from me that they always have had.

I also absolutely accept that any lady entering the industry must do comparative studying of the ads and sites of SPs whom they believe that they would be on par with in terms of age, looks, services offered, location and many of the other variables involved when determining where she will set her own rates. So, perhaps if a lady has underestimated her rate upon entering the industry, she will hopefully soon learn that she can command a rate more in line with others to whom she's comparable and she will raise them appropriately. This usually occurs due to the demand for her time from clients and potential clients.

In your example, the tradesman with years of experience has probably already set his rate based on his experience and knowledge of the industry and in order to remain competitive in the current market. So, if they see that "some dude with a toolbelt and a pickup" who does inferior work is asking a rate that's on par or higher than their own, they would most likely have a good laugh at that persons expense rather than raise their own already carefully determined rate out of some notion that they "deserve" more than that other guy's perhaps inflated sense of what he's worth.

But I also realize that this is a flawed analogy for a number of reasons. As we're often reminded by the ladies of this business, we shouldn't try to draw these types of comparisons due to the rather unique and very personal variables of this specific industry.

In any case, I do understand the point you're making and agree with your perspective that better service is deserving of a fair rate. But my opinion still stands about the flawed logic and pettiness of the stated reason in the quoted post about "why" this particular lady decided to raise her rates.

Again, let me be absolutely clear: I don't know what this lady's current rates are, nor what they were prior to having raised them. This is NOT about me bemoaning someone's rate nor any lady's choice to set her rate any way she pleases. It's simply my opinion about the reason as stated in the quote.

 

[Man Mountain]

Believe it or not, most visitors do not ultimately choose their lady based on budgetary comfort levels. A few years back, I noticed a frequent comment in reviews, it went something like this: "well, what did you expect buddy, for $150?" This caused me to re-think the $150-hr donation for the fs gfe experience that I was offering.

First of all, I didn't want to be lumped in with others in the category of "a lower rate equalled an expectation of poor(er) service" because I knew that the service I offered and the reviews were both excellent.

Secondly, I didn't want gentlemen overlooking my ad because "well, you know what kind of service you get for $150".

Since the decision to raise the donation for my playtime, I have exceeded my expectations on the calibre of my visitor, as well as watched my repeat percentages increase by an additional 25%. And btw, I did not raise the donation for the original repeat visitors, in respect for their willingness to pay me a visit at the lower rate and find out for themselves, and as a way to thank them for their continued loyalty.

You may want to re-think your logic, just sayin'...

Would it surprise you to hear that I actually understand and agree with your post? But my logic was based on addressing the logic of the comment that I quoted. If you read my response to Brynn, I hope that you'll see what my opinion is on this.

one should never question the value a woman puts on her body, personality, or service --

And I personally NEVER would. Your post has been edited in the time I quoted and wished to respond, so out of respect for that I have removed the portion I was planning to address. But again, I feel like I have to defend myself and reiterate that my post was never about the rate itself but the stated reasoning behind the rate increase. I REALLY hope that makes sense.

 

[Peyton Anders]

Would it surprise you to hear that I actually understand and agree with your post? But my logic was based on addressing the logic of the comment that I quoted. If you read my response to Brynn, I hope that you'll see what my opinion is on this.



And I personally NEVER would. Your post has been edited in the time I quoted and wished to respond, so out of respect for that I have removed the portion I was planning to address. But again, I feel like I have to defend myself and reiterate that my post was never about the rate itself but the stated reasoning behind the rate increase. I REALLY hope that makes sense.

No judgement! I merely edited to expand on my thought process.

The comment wasn't necessarily directed at you, please don't think I was targeting you personally.

 

[Blonde Brynn]

Actually, I'm not arguing that. I even agree with that. Plenty of ladies over the years have been forthcoming and noted that they have made the decision to raise their rates because they've spent time and effort to build a reputation and provide an overall experience for their clients, including all of the appropriate amenities and an upscale incall, that they feel they deserve an increased rate. To be honest, I would never even be so presumptuous to expect that any lady should need to justify her reasons to us as to how she determined her rates. No lady ever needs to justify that to me but those who have proffered those reasonings for the forum have the same respect from me that they always have had.

I also absolutely accept that any lady entering the industry must do comparative studying of the ads and sites of SPs whom they believe that they would be on par with in terms of age, looks, services offered, location and many of the other variables involved when determining where she will set her own rates. So, perhaps if a lady has underestimated her rate upon entering the industry, she will hopefully soon learn that she can command a rate more in line with others to whom she's comparable and she will raise them appropriately. This usually occurs due to the demand for her time from clients and potential clients.

In your example, the tradesman with years of experience has probably already set his rate based on his experience and knowledge of the industry and in order to remain competitive in the current market. So, if they see that "some dude with a toolbelt and a pickup" who does inferior work is asking a rate that's on par or higher than their own, they would most likely have a good laugh at that persons expense rather than raise their own already carefully determined rate out of some notion that they "deserve" more than that other guy's perhaps inflated sense of what he's worth.

But I also realize that this is a flawed analogy for a number of reasons. As we're often reminded by the ladies of this business, we shouldn't try to draw these types of comparisons due to the rather unique and very personal variables of this specific industry.

In any case, I do understand the point you're making and agree with your perspective that better service is deserving of a fair rate. But my opinion still stands about the flawed logic and pettiness of the stated reason in the quoted post about "why" this particular lady decided to raise her rates.

Again, let me be absolutely clear: I don't know what this lady's current rates are, nor what they were prior to having raised them. This is NOT about me bemoaning someone's rate nor any lady's choice to set her rate any way she pleases. It's simply my opinion about the reason as stated in the quote.

There is a definite element of spite, that is for sure. But if it was your livelihood and professional pride on the line, would it really seem so petty?

 

[Man Mountain]

There is a definite element of spite, that is for sure. But if it was your livelihood and professional pride on the line, would it really seem so petty?

Again, I know it's a flawed analogy but I defer to this again:

In your example, the tradesman with years of experience has probably already set his rate based on his experience and knowledge of the industry and in order to remain competitive in the current market. So, if they see that "some dude with a toolbelt and a pickup" who does inferior work is asking a rate that's on par or higher than their own, they would most likely have a good laugh at that persons expense rather than raise their own already carefully determined rate out of some notion that they "deserve" more than that other guy's perhaps inflated sense of what he's worth.

I happen to work with and for some of these kinds of guys. And their professional pride is based on the quality work that they do and their livelihoods do not suffer negatively because of the guys doing inferior work. In fact, the professional guys I deal with are often the ones who get the call to come in and fix the shoddy work of others. So, I suppose that I have to be honest that I don't see the correlation that you're trying to draw. Sorry

 

[Blonde Brynn]

Again, I know it's a flawed analogy but I defer to this again:



I happen to work with and for some of these kinds of guys. And their professional pride is based on the quality work that they do and their livelihoods do not suffer negatively because of the guys doing inferior work. In fact, the professional guys I deal with are often the ones who get the call to come in and fix the shoddy work of others. So, I suppose that I have to be honest that I don't see the correlation that you're trying to draw. Sorry

Because society doesn't base it's opinions of all construction workers on the worst few, and from there draw up policy to actively make their lives more difficult. SPs face that sort of judgement every day, so it cuts a lot deeper.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Would it surprise you to hear that I actually understand and agree with your post? But my logic was based on addressing the logic of the comment that I quoted. If you read my response to Brynn, I hope that you'll see what my opinion is on this.

Yes, I get it, thanks MM... :nod:

 

[badbadboy]

With basically everything on the table and little else left to sell, tipping is becoming the calling card for bbfs.

Why would you make a comment like that ??? I can't see anyone risking their health for some extra money. If they do they are someone I wouldn't want to see.

WHY YOU ASK ? because normisanas himself agrees with himself he is an ass. Lol
I just think his mind is in the gutter ?

I personally think the best tip you can give to any escort is repeat business.

Well here is a theory for you all.

This is the resurrection of a banned member aka jesuschrist.

Same posting style, same BBFS attitude towards SP's and same old asshole posts.

Being an I T guy he has bragged about having numerous forum ID's on Perb with the ability to use numerous I P addresses.

Go ahead J C complain to the mods. Those in the know, know who you are and what you are all about.

 

[Man Mountain]

Because society doesn't base it's opinions of all construction workers on the worst few, and from there draw up policy to actively make their lives more difficult. SPs face that sort of judgement every day, so it cuts a lot deeper.

Like I said, I knew it was a flawed analogy. And this is precisely one of the reasons why. I tend to agree with you but I thought we were addressing a different point. I don't think you and I are as far apart in our opinions here as it seems and continuing this exchange may just serve to make it seem that we are. And I do feel like I've made my point, so I don't feel any need to continue harping on it. Thank you for the discussion