Time to Shutdown (Again)

[walleye_peg]

Yes this is my first post however been a member for many moons!

Just my two cents but with today's announcement that the Province is going into Code Red .... I think it would be appropriate that the Moderators shut down the advertising section (again) until we are out of the woods. Many of the lovely ladies are from out of province and are NOT isolating per the guidelines. We need to be safe and have each others backs.

I hate to be the one to ask as this request does go against every principal in my old bones!

I really hope this does not start a flame job against me. I have lost two family members to this deadly disease ( California ) and don't wish any of this on anyone!

Please stay safe, healthy and make wise decisions.....

 

[ZGMFX10A]

They’re hoping this will only last for a month

 

[MB Mod]

Moderators can’t shut down the advertising forums only administrators can do that.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Yes this is my first post however been a member for many moons!

Just my two cents but with today's announcement that the Province is going into Code Red .... I think it would be appropriate that the Moderators shut down the advertising section (again) until we are out of the woods. Many of the lovely ladies are from out of province and are NOT isolating per the guidelines. We need to be safe and have each others backs.

I hate to be the one to ask as this request does go against every principal in my old bones!

I really hope this does not start a flame job against me. I have lost two family members to this deadly disease ( California ) and don't wish any of this on anyone!

Please stay safe, healthy and make wise decisions.....

I hear what your saying and don't necessarily disagree but is it really Perb's job to shut down reviews or ads.
It's not Perb's job to enforce or legislate people doing the right thing in the face of a life threatening pandemic.
If someone is stupid and selfish (Yes, I said it. You are stupid and selfish!) enough to be pooning during these times then they are going to find someone somewhere, regardless of what Perb does.
To show how this spreads, my friend's 16 year old son just tested positive from a classmate contact. He told me the contact tracing so far has gone back to 46 people and forward to over 50 contacts at school, etc. That's at least 96 people (likley over 100) exposed because of one person. They wouldn't tell him who or what circumstance they traced it back to. Him and his son suspect it goes back to this individual's hockey team. So now the entire family is anxiously awaiting their results, including 65 year old Grandma who lives with them.
If it can spread between a couple of kids sitting in a dressing room together, it cna definitely spread between people being initmate no matter how much "sanitizing" takes place before hand.
Cheers
J
Cheers
J

 

[shorty1967]

I hear what your saying and don't necessarily disagree but is it really Perb's job to shut down reviews or ads.
It's not Perb's job to enforce or legislate people doing the right thing in the face of a life threatening pandemic.
If someone is stupid and selfish (Yes, I said it. You are stupid and selfish!) enough to be pooning during these times then they are going to find someone somewhere, regardless of what Perb does.
Cheers
J

Sorry J, I have to disagree, when we are in a pandemic state and crisis mode we have a moral responsibility to not enable those looking to bypass or break any lockdown initiatives. We all need to support the initiatives to protect our vulnerable and the health care system.
Rant over
Stay safe

 

[GeeBeeP]

I hear what your saying and don't necessarily disagree but is it really Perb's job to shut down reviews or ads.
It's not Perb's job to enforce or legislate people doing the right thing in the face of a life threatening pandemic.
If someone is stupid and selfish (Yes, I said it. You are stupid and selfish!) enough to be pooning during these times then they are going to find someone somewhere, regardless of what Perb does.
To show how this spreads, my friend's 16 year old son just tested positive from a classmate contact. He told me the contact tracing so far has gone back to 46 people and forward to over 50 contacts at school, etc. That's at least 96 people (likley over 100) exposed because of one person. They wouldn't tell him who or what circumstance they traced it back to. Him and his son suspect it goes back to this individual's hockey team. So now the entire family is anxiously awaiting their results, including 65 year old Grandma who lives with them.
If it can spread between a couple of kids sitting in a dressing room together, it cna definitely spread between people being initmate no matter how much "sanitizing" takes place before hand.
Cheers
J
Cheers
J

I see your point Jethro, It's not PERB's job to legislate doing the right thing. But I would argue that they shouldn't me promoting irresponsible behaviour that is so clearly detrimental to public health and safety. I wholeheartedly agree that pooning is selfish and dangerous right now and while PERB cant stop stupidity they should in good conscience stop profiting from it. If PERB was advertising restaurants or gyms that were open in violation of the public health orders right now we'd be calling them out for it. I know the travelling girls have a right to do business but it is just the hight of irresponsibility to be doing it right now.

Here endeth the sermon.
G

 

[MB Mod]

PERB doesn’t advertise anything except for PERB, MERB and the other one, the supporting members are the ones advertising.

 

[Sharj]

It’s all about$$$s and small head winning over big head?

 

[cflnhl]

This calls for a survey.:

How many members have come down with COVID since the epidemic started? How many were sick? How many tested positive and were asymptomatic? How many got sick within two weeks of seeing a lady? How many tested positive and were asymptomatic within two weeks of seeing a SP?

And the same questions could be asked of the advertisers/supporting members.

As they say in business school: if you don't measure it you can't manage it.

Regardless: everyone should wash their hands frequently, wear a mask when they leave their home, sanitize their hands every time from those dispensers at the front of the store, wear their winter gloves where ever they go, and find a way to stay home as much as possible.

Beating this message into everyone's head - constantly - will do more good than any change in Perb advertising policy.

 

[Sharj]

This calls for a survey.:

How many members have come down with COVID since the epidemic started? How many were sick? How many tested positive and were asymptomatic? How many got sick within two weeks of seeing a lady? How many tested positive and were asymptomatic within two weeks of seeing a SP?

And the same questions could be asked of the advertisers/supporting members.

As they say in business school: if you don't measure it you can't manage it.

Regardless: everyone should wash their hands frequently, wear a mask when they leave their home, sanitize their hands every time from those dispensers at the front of the store, wear their winter gloves where ever they go, and find a way to stay home as much as possible.I l

Beating this message into everyone's head - constantly - will do more good than any change in Perb advertising policy.

This survey will not help. How would we reconcile the government order of not to be any one but people leave within house?
Like I am preventing seeing my granddaughter except face time? For four weeks? I love to see some traveling sp but I will break government orders?

 

[plumbcrawl]

It’s all about$$$s and small head winning over big head?

It's a scary time and folks are grasping for a sense of control but you are not going to be able to force the morality of not visiting ladies to everyone. While I agree with what you are saying in the end you can only control the things you have control over, wash your hands, put a mask on your face and limit your contacts. What everyone else does is outside of any of our control. (Also don't call tips in about your friends and neighbors, these lock downs already feel a little stasi-ish I hate what some folks are doing/risking but don't be that guy)

 

[cflnhl]

This survey will not help. How would we reconcile the government order of not to be any one but people leave within house?
Like I am preventing seeing my granddaughter except face time? For four weeks? I love to see some traveling sp but I will break government orders?

I would like to know specifically if there is an association between pooning and COVID. Are guys really catching COVID from ladies, and vice-versa. It's taken as an article of faith that whenever humans come into contact there is an unacceptable risk, but just what is that risk? Is it zero? Is it negligible? Is it 10%? 50%?

Compare it to say, how many pooners get into a car accident on the way to see the escort. Same questions as above. Did they subsequently stop driving to go see an SP? Did they give up P4P? Were they injured? If the figure is too high, do we tell everyone to stop driving to see escorts? Is driving to see an escort more dangerous than catching COVID from an escort? Less dangerous?

wall_eye_peg lost two relatives to COVID, I lost two to car accidents. The annual figures for Canada are ~100,000 injured, ~ 10000 seriously, and 1500 deaths. Cars have killed and injured and will continue to kill and injure more people than COVID will ever take down. and of course, there's climate change. Why haven't the giant automobile companies done the right thing and stopped advertising their vehicles?

And what about HIV? We take precautions, but the risk has always been there, for 40 years now, no vaccine yet. Should Perb do the right thing and stop advertising until a HIV vaccine is found?

My point, you ask? Data can puts things into perspective, it can more accurately define risk and help us make more informed decisions. Cuz saying "No more sex until a vaccine is found or HIV goes away" didn't ever stop people from having sex, the same will be be the case for COVID. Risk groups have been defined for HIV (certain groups of gay males, IV drug abusers), time to do the same for COVID.

Mr. Pallister, you reading this?

How would we reconcile the government order of not to be any one but people leave within house?

I think what wall_eye was implying - correctly - is that some guys won't always obey the order, so blocking their access to ads may make them obey it. A big maybe. There will always be rule breakers.

 

[Em thighs]

I would like to know specifically if there is an association between pooning and COVID. Are guys really catching COVID from ladies, and vice-versa. It's taken as an article of faith that whenever humans come into contact there is an unacceptable risk, but just what is that risk? Is it zero? Is it negligible? Is it 10%? 50%?

Compare it to say, how many pooners get into a car accident on the way to see the escort. Same questions as above. Did they subsequently stop driving to go see an SP? Did they give up P4P? Were they injured? If the figure is too high, do we tell everyone to stop driving to see escorts? Is driving to see an escort more dangerous than catching COVID from an escort? Less dangerous?

wall_eye_peg lost two relatives to COVID, I lost two to car accidents. The annual figures for Canada are ~100,000 injured, ~ 10000 seriously, and 1500 deaths. Cars have killed and injured and will continue to kill and injure more people than COVID will ever take down. and of course, there's climate change. Why haven't the giant automobile companies done the right thing and stopped advertising their vehicles?

And what about HIV? We take precautions, but the risk has always been there, for 40 years now, no vaccine yet. Should Perb do the right thing and stop advertising until a HIV vaccine is found?

My point, you ask? Data can puts things into perspective, it can more accurately define risk and help us make more informed decisions. Cuz saying "No more sex until a vaccine is found or HIV goes away" didn't ever stop people from having sex, the same will be be the case for COVID. Risk groups have been defined for HIV (certain groups of gay males, IV drug abusers), time to do the same for COVID.

Mr. Pallister, you reading this?



I think what wall_eye was implying - correctly - is that some guys won't always obey the order, so blocking their access to ads may make them obey it. A big maybe. There will always be rule breakers.

Now that is the very best review I have ever read!!! I had to read it twice, it really makes you think as your reading it.. very good points! Again very good review

 

[21Again]

My circumstances require me to practice social distancing but I would not be opposed to seeing a well review escort
advertising she has a positive test result that is over 20 days old and she is feeling fine.

 

[Sharj]

I would like to know specifically if there is an association between pooning and COVID. Are guys really catching COVID from ladies, and vice-versa. It's taken as an article of faith that whenever humans come into contact there is an unacceptable risk, but just what is that risk? Is it zero? Is it negligible? Is it 10%? 50%?

Compare it to say, how many pooners get into a car accident on the way to see the escort. Same questions as above. Did they subsequently stop driving to go see an SP? Did they give up P4P? Were they injured? If the figure is too high, do we tell everyone to stop driving to see escorts? Is driving to see an escort more dangerous than catching COVID from an escort? Less dangerous?

wall_eye_peg lost two relatives to COVID, I lost two to car accidents. The annual figures for Canada are ~100,000 injured, ~ 10000 seriously, and 1500 deaths. Cars have killed and injured and will continue to kill and injure more people than COVID will ever take down. and of course, there's climate change. Why haven't the giant automobile companies done the right thing and stopped advertising their vehicles?

And what about HIV? We take precautions, but the risk has always been there, for 40 years now, no vaccine yet. Should Perb do the right thing and stop advertising until a HIV vaccine is found?

My point, you ask? Data can puts things into perspective, it can more accurately define risk and help us make more informed decisions. Cuz saying "No more sex until a vaccine is found or HIV goes away" didn't ever stop people from having sex, the same will be be the case for COVID. Risk groups have been defined for HIV (certain groups of gay males, IV drug abusers), time to do the same for COVID.

Mr. Pallister, you reading this?



I think what wall_eye was implying - correctly - is that some guys won't always obey the order, so blocking their access to ads may make them obey it. A big maybe. There will always be rule breakers.

I know of one.
Important is people in this activity getting tested? Probably not. Once you get swab you have to quarantine till it neg. so you never going to ge tcorrect answer?

 

[GeeBeeP]

I would like to know specifically if there is an association between pooning and COVID. Are guys really catching COVID from ladies, and vice-versa. It's taken as an article of faith that whenever humans come into contact there is an unacceptable risk, but just what is that risk? Is it zero? Is it negligible? Is it 10%? 50%?

Compare it to say, how many pooners get into a car accident on the way to see the escort. Same questions as above. Did they subsequently stop driving to go see an SP? Did they give up P4P? Were they injured? If the figure is too high, do we tell everyone to stop driving to see escorts? Is driving to see an escort more dangerous than catching COVID from an escort? Less dangerous?

wall_eye_peg lost two relatives to COVID, I lost two to car accidents. The annual figures for Canada are ~100,000 injured, ~ 10000 seriously, and 1500 deaths. Cars have killed and injured and will continue to kill and injure more people than COVID will ever take down. and of course, there's climate change. Why haven't the giant automobile companies done the right thing and stopped advertising their vehicles?

And what about HIV? We take precautions, but the risk has always been there, for 40 years now, no vaccine yet. Should Perb do the right thing and stop advertising until a HIV vaccine is found?

My point, you ask? Data can puts things into perspective, it can more accurately define risk and help us make more informed decisions. Cuz saying "No more sex until a vaccine is found or HIV goes away" didn't ever stop people from having sex, the same will be be the case for COVID. Risk groups have been defined for HIV (certain groups of gay males, IV drug abusers), time to do the same for COVID.

Mr. Pallister, you reading this?



I think what wall_eye was implying - correctly - is that some guys won't always obey the order, so blocking their access to ads may make them obey it. A big maybe. There will always be rule breakers.

I'm a science and data guy and I'd love to know the answers, but I'm afraid it will be nearly impossible to get clear data. The pandemic has reached a point where public health simply do not know where people are contracting Covid. Even several months ago, while trying to convey information to people, we heard the phrase "community transmission" which is simply a euphemism for "we have no fucking idea where you got this". These days contact tracing is overwhelmed with numbers and tracking the point of transmission for even a fraction of cases is not going to occur.

One other point is the difficulty with any kind of data or research involving sex work. The stigma and secretive nature of the industry mean that everything you hear will be anecdotal and not based on actual data or research.

For 90% of pooners I'm guessing the following will apply. You see an SP and then a week later develop symptoms and get a positive test. Are you going to tell a contact tracer or a researcher that you spent an hour doing the horizontal mambo with "Sindee" in apartment 329? You're sure as hell not going to tell your family or most other close contacts. If the SP tests positive is she going to give a list of everyone she's been with to contact tracers or a researcher so they can track you down and ask if you're sick? No reputable SP is going to do that. But these are the only ways to get the facts and hard data.

As much as I would love to know the answers to the questions you pose, we are simply going to have to act responsibly on the information we have. The more contacts you have and the longer you're in their presence the higher your risk of contracting Covid. Unless a you can get your kicks wearing an N95 mask for the duration of the visit (hey everyone has their kinks!!) then stay home and stay safe.

I'm going to be building up my pool of fun money until we have a vaccine and then go nuts when the world is ready. There are some high end ladies I've always wanted to see (perhaps even more than one at a time ) and I just might have the cash to do it a year or two from now. If I'm dead or too sick leave my house I'll never get that chance.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm a science and data guy and I'd love to know the answers, but I'm afraid it will be nearly impossible to get clear data. The pandemic has reached a point where public health simply do not know where people are contracting Covid. Even several months ago, while trying to convey information to people, we heard the phrase "community transmission" which is simply a euphemism for "we have no fucking idea where you got this". These days contact tracing is overwhelmed with numbers and tracking the point of transmission for even a fraction of cases is not going to occur.

One other point is the difficulty with any kind of data or research involving sex work. The stigma and secretive nature of the industry mean that everything you hear will be anecdotal and not based on actual data or research.

100% agree. Such data would never be available because of so many factors.
That's why we should all be erroring on the side of safety. Even without a study, figuring that if I can get Covid by being within 6 feet of another person while neither of us is wearing a mask, it's not a far reach to assume I can get while having sex with someone.
It's kind of like saying that no study has ever been done on the risk of being hit by a car while crossing Portage and Main while blindfolded.
While we have no exact figures on this, I would still avoid doing it.
Cheers
J

 

[shorty1967]

I'm a science and data guy and I'd love to know the answers, but I'm afraid it will be nearly impossible to get clear data. The pandemic has reached a point where public health simply do not know where people are contracting Covid. Even several months ago, while trying to convey information to people, we heard the phrase "community transmission" which is simply a euphemism for "we have no fucking idea where you got this". These days contact tracing is overwhelmed with numbers and tracking the point of transmission for even a fraction of cases is not going to occur.

One other point is the difficulty with any kind of data or research involving sex work. The stigma and secretive nature of the industry mean that everything you hear will be anecdotal and not based on actual data or research.

For 90% of pooners I'm guessing the following will apply. You see an SP and then a week later develop symptoms and get a positive test. Are you going to tell a contact tracer or a researcher that you spent an hour doing the horizontal mambo with "Sindee" in apartment 329? You're sure as hell not going to tell your family or most other close contacts. If the SP tests positive is she going to give a list of everyone she's been with to contact tracers or a researcher so they can track you down and ask if you're sick? No reputable SP is going to do that. But these are the only ways to get the facts and hard data.

As much as I would love to know the answers to the questions you pose, we are simply going to have to act responsibly on the information we have. The more contacts you have and the longer you're in their presence the higher your risk of contracting Covid. Unless a you can get your kicks wearing an N95 mask for the duration of the visit (hey everyone has their kinks!!) then stay home and stay safe.

I'm going to be building up my pool of fun money until we have a vaccine and then go nuts when the world is ready. There are some high end ladies I've always wanted to see (perhaps even more than one at a time ) and I just might have the cash to do it a year or two from now. If I'm dead or too sick leave my house I'll never get that chance.

I could not agree more both SP’s and clients would be covering their tracks providing false information. All one needs is to look at information for households of 3 or more where one person was positive and isolated in the same home. The virus transmission to others is high even given precautions taken. It is not hard to extrapolate that should one spend more than 15 minutes in close proximity to a positive individual that the virus has a high probability of transmission especially in an environment where one is breathing heavily.

 

[GeeBeeP]

My circumstances require me to practice social distancing but I would not be opposed to seeing a well review escort
advertising she has a positive test result that is over 20 days old and she is feeling fine.

The flaw in your logic is that you aren't the only person she's been in contact with over those 20 days. Was the client she saw 2 days ago sick or positive and asymptotic? How about the guy the day before that? She could feel fine today but test positive tomorrow. Even if she's being really selective and only seeing two guys a week the chance of a sick client giving the virus to an SP is pretty high given the, shall we say, "intimate nature" of the interaction. You're not just sitting next to her on the bus for 10 minutes. If you can find a girl that's been self isolating at home for 2 weeks and makes you her first date, then go for it, but that's the only way to know you're safe.

 

[Sharj]

The flaw in your logic is that you aren't the only person she's been in contact with over those 20 days. Was the client she saw 2 days ago sick or positive and asymptotic? How about the guy the day before that? She could feel fine today but test positive tomorrow. Even if she's being really selective and only seeing two guys a week the chance of a sick client giving the virus to an SP is pretty high given the, shall we say, "intimate nature" of the interaction. You're not just sitting next to her on the bus for 10 minutes. If you can find a girl that's been self isolating at home for 2 weeks and makes you her first date, then go for it, but that's the only way to know you're safe.

Point is do any sp get tested?
Are we getting tested? I have three times in 4 months. But I do not know person I visit is?