Those Quebec students are spolied brats!

Miss*Bijou

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Too bad the thread was closed before I could respond.

And too bad I only just came across this article.

So I'm sorry, it is just to good to pass up - I must share:



How the Anglo punditocracy demonizes Quebec’s student protests


Anglo Canada is sticking its fingers in its ears and humming a happy song. Many in the English-speaking punditocracy and media (or perhaps mediocracy?) are doing their best to persuade us that student protests in Quebec are nothing of any consequence.

This is getting a little harder to do, now that so many other folks are joining the students. But it is not too late to jump on the bandwagon to ridicule or demonize the protesters. Just follow these simple steps. (Steps can be rearranged and amplified for dramatic effect.)

Step 1: Set the stage with a dismissive tone. Many like to scorn protesters as naïve over-entitled brats. If you really get huffing and puffing, brand students as anti-social radicals. This leads nicely into step 2.

Step 2: Suggest a sinister undertone. Highlight any behaviour suggesting that protesters are undisciplined violent thugs. (Take care to frame this in a way that denies the possibility that the noble police force ever provokes any unpleasantness).

Step 3: Explain WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON. This is your chance to look like you are magnanimously enlightening those poor confused students. Remember, it is your job to reassure English Canada that the status quo is entirely reasonable and the forces of authority radiate with the glow of legitimacy.


Now that you have concluded that protesters are in the wrong, find some evidence

Steps 1 and 2 can usually work just by evoking appropriate stereotypes, but in step 3 you will likely have to introduce something that passes as evidence. Naturally you will want to select evidence that supports your point of view. But at all times, maintain your stature as the paragon of enlightened rationality. This will position your favourably next to the depictions of protesters as an unreasonable and possibly dangerous mob (see steps 1 and 2).

My personal recommendation is to cherry-pick economic information to provide your evidence. Economics has that lovely reputation for rational objectivity. One can almost feel the credibility pouring forth from economic statistics. Special bonus: if you can situate the issue solely as a dollars and sense matter, you have effectively changed the channel on any arguments that speak to moral or democratic legitimacy.

Please Note:
You probably don’t want to go down the road of moral or democratic legitimacy. Just a suggestion.

Back to the need for evidence to legitimate your conclusions. If you are going to rely on economic arguments to really nail your case, there are some favourites making the rounds.

Feel free to mix and match decontextualized economic factoids as you see fit. Just cite some impressive-sounding numbers, without venturing into any deep analysis. Everyone will probably be so dazzled that you have cited economic tidbits, they won’t focus too heavily on whether they are assembled into some kind of persuasive rationale.

A popular choice is to cite statistics about the costs of tuition in Quebec relative to other places in Canada or wherever. You could start with this fancy-schmancy map. As you see, Quebec students pay lower tuition than students in other provinces.

This is a slam dunk! Those selfish Quebec students are already getting a good deal! What is their problem?

So far this approach has not backfired (much) by provoking students elsewhere to ask why they should put up with higher tuition that Quebec students pay. We don’t want students to conclude that the reason that tuition fees in Quebec are lower is because politicized student and social movements are willing to take to the streets.

I cannot state this more urgently: it is of utmost importance to keep statistics decontextualized. Any discussion of tuition fees must ignore other aspects of student’s lives. Do not put tuition fees in the context of such issues as the debt loads carried by students and their job prospects. By all means stay away from the very scary-looking student debt clock published by the Canadian Federation of Students. If you start considering the overall situation facing students, you might end up writing something like the Globe and Mail’s personal finance columnist, Rob Carrick did in his “Young Adults Have A Right To Be Up In Arms.”

Keep in mind, there are potential hazards in telling students to suck it up. You may look like a selfish crank who benefited from lower tuition and more generous social programs in your youth while cracking down on this generation. As I said, watch out for that nasty moral legitimacy pitfall.

You might consider shifting the focus to provincial finances. This allows you to position yourself as someone who doesn’t have any ill will towards the students. Heavens no! You are merely obliged to point out the unfortunate fact that Quebec as a profligate province that needs to wake up to fiscal reality. Austerity is inevitable.

Patiently, but firmly, explain that students must sacrifice along with everyone else. If students object to this, accuse them of defending their own privilege. (Return to step 1)

The benefit of this approach is that it contributes to a larger objective: the people of Quebec must be persuaded to abandon their quaint ideas about collectively paying for the collective good. The notion that they might choose higher taxes to be able to afford accessible education or other social objectives must be squelched. That route opens a whole Pandora’s box about whether people can democratically chose some way other than neoliberal model.

To legitimize austerity as an unquestionable necessity, use every opportunity to create the impression that Quebec is a fiscal basket case. Try citing a few decontextualized statistics about Quebec’s debt and deficit. A favourite is the debt/GDP ratio. This ratio compares government’s debt to the size of their economy.

Pay close attention to this next part. There are different ways to cite debt/GDP, and one looks much worse than the other. Choose the “gross” debt/GDP number, which is 55%.

The gross debt statistic ignores the fact that governments have assets as well as liabilities. If the government’s assets are subtracted from its gross debt/GPP, you get their “accumulated deficit” of 35.2% of GDP. This number sounds more manageable and thus should be ignored.

My advice is just to cite the higher debt/GDP statistic, and run for cover. Do not enter into a discussion that may inadvertently encourage your audience to rethink the interpretation of government debt and deficits. Forget anything I ever wrote about neoliberal governments welcoming debt “problems” as the pretext to disentitle citizens.

All kinds of trouble may result if your audience gets distracted by issues that may lead them to question neoliberalism. Before long people may be using concepts that the students popularized. Under no circumstances should you even acknowledge the word “class”. I understand it is difficult to avoid, given the debates ignited in Quebec. But trust me, if you start pondering tuition and the role of government more generally in class terms, you are in trouble.

Good luck to all of you who are shouldering the heavy responsibility of explaining why the protests in Quebec can be dismissed. Admittedly, you will face challenges in this heroic mission. But by all means, persevere! You, too, will experience the rewards of being oblivious to what a whole generation of people is saying loud and clear.


Ellen Russell is an economist and professor of journalism at Wilfrid Laurier University.

http://www.behindthenumbers.ca/2012...ditocracy-demonizes-quebecs-student-protests/


That's just awesome.

 

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Educated Analysis vs Cappuccino Logic: Responding to the Quebec student strike
May 2nd, 2012 Erika Shaker


It was bound to happen.

After almost three months, Margaret Wente finally got wind of this kerfuffle in Quebec about students refusing to buy into the whole “but it’s just the cost of a cappuccino a day!” rationale for why a 75% increase in tuition fees over five (or 82% over seven) years is, like, the way of the future. Or something.

Margaret isn’t feeling much love for those Quebec students who “pay the lowest tuition fees in all of North America”….and still will, she claims, even with the increase legislated by the provincial Liberals.

I’m not sure how that adds up: thanks to a hefty rollback, current fees in Newfoundland-Labrador are only slightly higher than Quebec’s, and the recently legislated increase will put Quebec’s fees above Manitoba’s and slightly below the national average in five or seven years. But hey—why bother with math when you can sit back and just make your point with a cappuccino reference?

There’s no doubt that her journalistic slant plays well with the “enough with all this talk of the growing gap—you’re blocking traffic and now my coffee’s getting cold. Doesn’t your liberal arts education teach you about real world priorities?” crowd.

Yes, Quebec students pay the lowest university fees in Canada, and CEGEPs are publicly funded and therefore very affordable. It’s in part why Quebec has the highest post-secondary education participation rate in the country: because their students can attend university or CEGEP without pocketing a $37,000 debt load along with their diploma upon graduation.

I’m a little surprised that Margaret didn’t delve into the “analysis” that was trotted out by several of her fellow strike-critics over the past few days claiming that in spite of lower fees, Quebec students do not attend university in numbers as great as their ROC counterparts (ergo, lower fees actually reduce university participation rates).

Not only did this research neglect to mention the hugely popular publicly-funded CEGEPs that allow thousands of Quebecers to graduate with a diploma before choosing (or not) to attend university (Quebec students have different options after graduating high school, designed to suit a range of educational needs and choices); it also didn’t differentiate between Quebec’s three-year bachelor degrees and the four-year degrees outside of Quebec which, if not adequately taken into consideration, would artificially reduce Quebec’s participation rate compared to that of other provinces.

But that didn’t seem to occur to the media outlets that used these “findings” as an opportunity to scoff at the three Quebec student unions for troubling the public with discussions of affordability, inequality, access and (gasp!) social justice.

These deeper issues like, you know, democracy and stuff clearly get under Margaret’s skin (I’m curious: where did she manage to find a “sneer” font on her keyboard for words like “social justice”?).

But she feels for these kids—she calls them the baristas of the future—she really does: all those “projectile-hurling”, “sociology, anthropology, philosophy, arts, and victim-studies students, whose degrees are increasingly worthless”. (Victim-studies? Has she been fine-tuning her rhetoric in Arizona?) After all, they’ve been sold a bill of goods by their professors who have been deluding them into believing their “cause” (whatever that may be) is just, and “that the education they’re getting will equip them to thrive and prosper in the world.”

Wait…the proof that it’s all about useless areas of study?….I know it’s around here somewhere. Oh yes—accounting students aren’t protesting. Neither are engineering students. She says.

I mean, seriously? Did you catch all the creativity at the protests? The originality of the signs? The puppets, the dancing, the songs, the lipdubs, the passionate debate about class and public responsibility? What self-respecting real-world focused student would be caught dead within a ten-block radius of all that touchy-feely analysis and appreciation for rhythm and design? Participation in the strike is sustained (stabilizing at close to 200,000 by some counts) and new students are joining the protest, but maybe it’s simply too time-consuming to look into who’s actually supporting this mass action anyway.

Ironically, those protesting students seem to have picked up some fairly articulate arguments and analysis—even some pretty savvy IT and communications skills (apparently through osmosis or divine intervention, since it’s not likely they could have honed any of this in labs or lecture halls studying subject areas that have nothing to do with the “real world”). It’s unfortunate that some commentators ignore the substance of their arguments, preferring instead to pontificate about why kids today should stop complaining, accept the world that’s being left for them to make do with….and hey! get off my damn lawn.

But then, that’s the warm and fuzzy comfort of cappuccino logic. Did you want extra foam with that, Ms. Wente?


http://www.behindthenumbers.ca/2012...ogic-responding-to-the-quebec-student-strike/
 

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In the end, he said, the students are hurting themselves because they're pushing for things that aren't fiscally sustainable -- and they'll end up paying one day. Unfortunately, he said, if they keep it up there will be less taxpayers around to help foot the bill.

"And where does the government get the money? From taxes, from selling stuff. The next thing they will say is, 'Well, take it from the rich,"' he said.

"And that's when you have the rich moving to another country."
Villeneuve should move back to France if he thinks things are so good somewhere else.

What an idiot.

Where would he move to?

Europe is a complete mess.

The US has high crime, high unemployment, and the same problems we do except bigger.

China? yah right.

So where would this moron move to?
 

vancity_cowboy

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I think it was Werner Herzog who once said "What do we do about the Anglo-American monolingual, cliche ridden melting pot of mediocrity taking over the world? "
yep pardner, that's just the kind if thing herr stipetić WOULD say...

regarding the students, i see they're resorting now to nude marches... kind of like the old doukhobors in bc
 

wilde

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Villeneuve should move back to France if he thinks things are so good somewhere else.

What an idiot.

Where would he move to?
That idiot was raised in Monaco, splits his time between Canada and Switzerland when not racing. So that idiot has lots of choices really.
 
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