This was posted on CL, what you think?

[TheGuy]

Just Be Real

Vancouver is an expensive city! Victoria is much cheaper - for everything!

The standard for a quality escort in North america has been the same since the beginning of time. A quality SP costs the same per hour as a quality lawyer. Do you reseach - this is the reality. Always has been!

A quality escort maybe sees four to six clients a week on average. Don't compare her $300 an hour to your $25-50/hour because no way she sees eight clients a day!

The other thing is she has no benifits, nada! If she is sick she makes nothing. Hey I wish things were cheaper... but i wish everything way cheaper! Like houses in Vancouver.

Hey and if you are on a budget then find a micro or asian Mp where you can get your rocks off for less. Personally, I like quality and it costs. The repair bills on my european car hurt but I blow the doors off anything on the highway. I also pay more for quality food and quality hotels - I feel it is worth it.

Nothing wrong with Motel 6! Just don't expect (like FFC) to force the Four Season to match their prices!

FFC seems like the guy who goes to a top restaurant and then leaves no tip "because I don't believe in tips."

Also, I think FFC's days are numbered on PERB. Who does he think pays for this board -

 

[HoneyHunter]

The Guy - Finally a voice of reason.

Vancouver is an expensive city! Victoria is much cheaper - for everything!

The standard for a quality escort in North america has been the same since the beginning of time. A quality SP costs the same per hour as a quality lawyer. Do you reseach - this is the reality. Always has been!

A quality escort maybe sees four to six clients a week on average. Don't compare her $300 an hour to your $25-50/hour because no way she sees eight clients a day!

The other thing is she has no benifits, nada! If she is sick she makes nothing. Hey I wish things were cheaper... but i wish everything way cheaper! Like houses in Vancouver.

Hey and if you are on a budget then find a micro or asian Mp where you can get your rocks off for less. Personally, I like quality and it costs. The repair bills on my european car hurt but I blow the doors off anything on the highway. I also pay more for quality food and quality hotels - I feel it is worth it.

Nothing wrong with Motel 6! Just don't expect (like FFC) to force the Four Season to match their prices!

FFC seems like the guy who goes to a top restaurant and then leaves no tip "because I don't believe in tips."

Also, I think FFC's days are numbered on PERB. Who does he think pays for this board -

I was just about to post about the cost of living in Vancouver. Anyone who pays rent or owns KNOWS how incredibly expensive it is. Seems most of the top notch girls have separate incall locations so they are paying double the rent/morgage. Of course they are more expensive as their overhead is so much higher here in Vancouver than anywhere else in Canada.

My place here in DT costs me more than what I was paying in TO just a few years ago and it's 1/2 the size. Everything is relative.

 

[john23]

Personally I've always believed most guys pay way too much but as long as affordable girls were out there no big deal. I also believe in a free market and if girls can get guys to pay exhorbitant rates more power to them.

Get what you can, pay what you want as long as you get what you pay for and are happy with it who cares.

There are always guys who can afford it and will pay the higher rates, I don't know if organizing the bread & butter dudes will make much of a difference. It doesn't mean a thing to me as I can find it at whatever rate I choose to pay!

The thing that amazes me about all of this is how friggin broke many these "high priced" SPs really are. Its not too obvious but they don't actually make as much money as you might think. Depends on how hard they work at promoting themselves I guess. For many they simply don't want to work that much for a variety of reasons (school being a major one).

The only thing that irritates me is when someone is extremely anal about time when they are charging $$.5 or $$$/hr or more. I know they aren't likely to have more than 1 or 2 sessions in a day probably fairly widely spaced apart so if we spend an extra 15 min talking or taking a shower I don't think that should be a major deal but for some SPs it is.

 

[littlejimbigher]

There are also a group of guys that seem to worship the ground these chicks walk on and they have to bring them flowers and gifts and oh yeah they'll pay whatever they ask. They want to be special in the SP's eyes like she's a surrogate girlfriend, how dare anyone else devalue their special girl. I got news for you guys, your just another trick and when you leave the chick just laughs at how pathetic you are, stuffs away your cash and throws the flowers in the trash!!

Its the fantasy that I want. I don't care if they laugh at me after I leave, just not while I'm there. Its like that Charles Bronson movie that starts out with him showing up at his girls place and spends the night. She reads him a letter she wrote about how much she missed him. Next morning she tells him she has to charge him extra because of the letter taking time to write.
We pay the girl to be our fantasy.

 

[Cookie Land]

It's all about what the market will bear. Supply and demand if there are more SP's than customers the price will be low. Lots of competition means lower prices and when the customer is willing to pay more the prices go up. IMO you get what you pay for.

 

[Tralalalalalala]

The entire fair pricing thing is pretty much retarded. Since most people seem to be making comparrisons with cars, I'll do the same!

If you can't afford a Mercedez, and you join forces with other guys who can't afford a Mercedez, then boycott the company in hopes that their prices will go down, it will do absolutely nothing. Why? Because you're not who they advertize to, and they really don't give a fuck about having your business. You are not their key demographic, and therefore, you don't matter.

If the girls you want to see are too expensive, take up another hobby. Knitting maybe?

 

[westwoody]

You are not their key demographic, and therefore, you don't matter.

A good point that few notice.
The original poster obviously doesn't get it at all. An SP who caters to the business crowd at 4oo/hr couldn't give a shit what Eddie Lunchbucket thinks.

 

[Lesbian Hunter]

This whole debate/discussion is fucking idiotic. A woman selling her body can charge whatever she wants to charge. If you think it's too high then don't use her services, but for fuck sake don't try to dictate to me what I should pay for the services of an SP. I'll make that determination not some cheap prick who thinks he should always be getting a "deal."

SPs come in all shapes and sizes and charge a wide range of prices. It's the way it always has been and always will be.

Get over it!

 

[athaire]

It is cheaper in other cities, just look at Van island those girls charge less, prices are high here. I think its a good idea to lower the prices for regular service, on the other hand some guys want GFE, BBJ and all kinds of crap, you should pay more for all that stuff!

Hate to burst your bubble Hatrick but the higher end Indy girls over here are starting to raise their rates to come inline with Vancity girls. Mia posted new rates awhile back, Audrey is raising hers in new year and Syn-dee told me she was raising hers as well. Just a matter of time, I tend to think of it like inflation, costs rise and customers pay. If you don't want to pay the price don't see these girls. But don't bash them for selling their wares for what they feel they are worth. I like to see my dollars go farther as well but I do realize that I enjoy the company of popular, gorgeous, young women and if I have to poon a little less to be able to do that so be it.

 

[shapeshifter]

Ah the great socialist state of British Columbia.

People determining for others what is a "good living", and an acceptable hourly wage.

What do you want to bet that the guy who posted that on CL is 40 pounds over weight and balding with a BO issue and other hygine problems.

Now he is trying to tell hot SPs what they can charge.

That is just funny. I want to increase my value by suggesting everone else refuse to pay more than I am willing to pay.

The best way to increase value is pick a regular and see her regularly, then make her a standing offer. Most likely you can get to a value compromise when she gets the benefit of your loyalty etc etc.

I am sorry, but this is just pathetic.

It is really not that different that expecting everyone to drive the same car becasue you can't afford more than a Dodge Neon.

The CL poster is officially a loser.

Agreed 100%

It's a pathetic attempt for a cheap probably fat dood to try and increase his access to the higher end girls, sorry dood if you want to drive a Bentley don't expect to get it for the price of a used Ford escort.

Go back to the lo-track

 

[HoneyHunter]

Cut & pasting the obvious

You want access for your $$$ you expect it. Now you want the same mileage as the last guy, becasue he posted on PERB and you figure you are entitled, except she thought he was the hottest client she had seen in a year, and he was generous and smart and funny and he turned her on.

You are trying to buy a Guarantee for your $$$ but now you think you are entitled to tell her what a fair living is worth.

At the top end, you don't read many bad reviews about Vivienne or VV or some of the other elite top shelf girls, probably because the majority of the clueless pooners don't have the guts confidence or bankroll to spend on sessions with these girls.

The search for the perfect $150 session is by guys who would likely never tip even for a great session, look to push the limits on mileage with the SPs they see, and want some sort of guarantee when they try someone new. It is almost as if they are looking to minimize wasted funds in the case that they use bad judgement.

What kind of pounding do you think they would take on perb if they started turning away clients like you at the door Damaged. It would make their business impossible.

Because you're not who they advertize to, and they really don't give a fuck about having your business. You are not their key demographic, and therefore, you don't matter.

I’d bet that many of the high end girls price themselves to keep themselves above the budgets of most of the trolls who think they are entitled to the most for the least. This is a bit like the whole GFE debate last week about BBBJs and people with a sense of entitlement feeling that they can dictate someone’s boundaries and rates. If you don’t like it, don’t pay it.

Why on earth does everyone assume the guy is fat? Are fat guys traditionally tighter with money and skinny guys spend more or what?

No but if I recall correctly, the stats indicate that the lower someone is on the class/income scale the odds are statistically higher that that person is overweight. Don’t ask me to quote a source, I can’t recall, but I’ve seen it various times from various sources. One look at the southern USA, Jerry Springer show or any of the court TV shows seem to confirm this. I think it has something to do with feeling entitled to the most amount of gratification with the least amount of effort.

Some girls are a better value than others, the trick is to find them and give them your business and avoid the ones who aren't a very good value. That's what reviews are all about, really. After all, if a bunch of guys have posted reviews saying that a girl is a bad value for the buck and there are better out there for less money, would you go see her?

its the reviews that are gonna keep the real rip offs out of the market. the top notch gals that provide wicked service deserve to charge whatever they want.
so if u wanna true fair pricing, post more reviews!

If the pooners who see CL SP’s at $300/hr don’t feel that the LSA justify the price…. REVIEW THEM. Lack of business will force them to either lower their price or increase their mileage. I can’t count the number of times I’ve read a review where someone felt they were ripped off and posted a review only to have other guys come out of the wood work to say the same thing happened to them but they couldn’t be bothered to review. And for fuck's sake, try thinking with the big head not the little one... if she looks WAY different than what her ad lead you to believe, tell her that and walk away and then review stating as much. Don't fuck her anyway, just because you are there and then bitch about wasting your money after the fact.

If you find an SP that you like, the nicer you are the more mileage you’ll probably get. Make it worth their while and they’ll probably return the favour.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Entitlement

Again,

Ladies who charge a high premium are targetting a different clientele. The ones with more disposable income for this sort of pastime. Who are we to argue and attempt to drive the price down, which isn't likely to happen anyways, in hopes to afford their services. It's their decision to raise their rates like it's your decision to move on to something you are able to afford. This issue is a stalemate each and every time. Progress, move on.

Another poster a while back had made the best analogy of pooners on a budget using restaurants. You can't afford to eat at Lumiere so you eat at Earls.

Just how effective would a picket line outside Lumiere be? It isn't going to drive the price down. It will always stay in business as their reputation is top notch and clients who can afford to eat there will.

I'm hoping that this feeling of entitlement for those who continously raise the subject over and over again, passes. What's worse than being and looking like a poseur? I know I'd rather be myself and spend what I'm comfortable spending without bitching that the price is too high. If it's out of my price range then I look for a lower priced alternative. For every SP out there there is someone willing to spend money to be with them and that goes especially to the higher priced SPs.

The subject of L/A/S isn't concrete as the scale itself is subject to personal opinion. Price has no correlation on L/A/S, either. A higher price doesn't guarantee that the scale is higher.

 

[ace85]

The part everyone seems to be missing is that this is a variable business.

YMMV!!! For $200 in Edmonton I get very different service than others.

What people are looking for is a Guaranty, that when they see SP X that they get the same service for the same money as when the other PERBERITES see SP X. That is why so many SPs have mixed feelings about PERB, it can be good, but it can also lead to troubling expectations from POONERs.

This is the big issue, who gets what from whom for how much. Read the higher end SPs websites, they all have tips on ettiquite, they are trying to keep the variables that they are going have to deal with to a minimum, they are trying to give a boad based set of rules to POONERS to help them understand what will lead to their best session. The SP is trying to ensure that there is a pretty good chance that they can provide decent service.

As a whole I am willing to bet everything that I have that overall FAT Guys get lower mileage than Fit Attractive Guys,

Maybe it is just me.

I did have an SP talk with me about her service and tell me that she tries to give "good service" to everyone. She told me that she has to deal with all sorts of clients, including ones that have "pooh smears in their ass cracks". I laughed sooo hard. But seriously, you don't think that at least a portion of the posters that hammer an SP with a bad review, in some way (possibly fundementally simple way) guaranteed they were going to get bad service, or low mileage?

 

[athaire]

I found this quote on MERB where they are having the same debate. Posted it in 411 earlier and I see it should be here as well..........

A woman is worth what she is worth to you.

The price you are willing to pay is a reflection of what it is you're looking for.

If you just want to get laid, then all you want to spend is $100 bucks.

If you want to spend quality time with a woman that see & feel something for, you are willing to spend more.

Then there are, of course, women whom might be considered priceless. Does that mean it doesn't cost anything? Duh.

You get what you pay for, basically. And the more you give, the more you get.

But keep in mind that dollars and cents are not the only form of compensation. The more you give of yourself the more you get.

Just speaking from experience. Sometimes the greatest gift you can give a woman costs little or nothing.

Is that too much wisdom for this messageboard?


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[RenoRocks]

The girls who do this for a living are paying up to

$500/month for ads or more
$1000/month for incall location
$300/month for hair, nails, clothes, makeup, etc
$100/ for cell phone

You also have to add all the paying off web sites to keep bad reviews from popping up and the hours and hours logging in and posting inane comments to keep your name out there. I was with two SPs for a total of 8 years of my life. I know what they do and how they do it. In no way did I pimp or take $$ from either but they certainly drained life from me.

I can say that most of the guys on these boards and who see SPs are extremely naive. Most actually believe the reviews they read are by other guys and most believe that the SPs post here because they are your buddies.

I don't know Vancouver as well as I do other cities but I seriously doubt if your scene is any different than any other city in terms of its escort industry. The backchannel of activity between SPs and pimps is extreme and boards are used as a window to lure and delude potential income. Wise up, that is simply the way it is.

All that being said, who is to say what a reasonable price is? If someone is dumb enough to pay more than $150 or even $200 for getting laid with an escort, who are any of us to stop them? If you want to pay less, good on you too. Ranting about what you or anyone else finds "acceptable" to pay is worthless.

I remember with my most recent ex. She charged what she felt she could and keep busy enough. In otherwords, she would rather get more from having to screw fewer strangers that less from each of more. I seriously doubt there are more than one in a million who would like the more for less type of arrangement.

When someone sees an escort, it is all about a fantasy. The fantasy is having sex with an anonymous person you don't have to know all about her personal warts and baggage and can get up and leave afterwards without commitment. That price is worth different amounts to different people. The problem arises when the fantasy gets blurred with reality and guys start to expect too much. The escorts are somewhat to blame for this putting airbrushed or fake pictures up, promising GFE when you get a hj and you're out the door, etc. etc.

This is an industry. End of story. Those of us who have seen the inside of it (met dozens and dozens of SPs, pimps and wannabees of both) know that like any industry it is full of all kinds of good and bad people. However, like all other industries, it is all about the money.

Voice of experience signing out!

 

[cutesexymya]

Originally Posted by TheGuy
The girls who do this for a living are paying up to

$500/month for ads or more
$1000/month for incall location
$300/month for hair, nails, clothes, makeup, etc
$100/ for cell phone

Only $100 for cell!!!!
and $300 for clothes and hair and nails and makeup!!!!!!!!!!!
$1000 rent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what about my mileage?
I would say that it can easily cost me at least $1000 week to be in this industry!

after all is said and done how many countless hours do i put in on my pc?
for free?
or no shows?
or chatting on msn with they guy that wants pricing controls, is that the guy who wastes my time everyday and does not come to see me? I do get paid by the hour, and because i am a business woman, i do pay taxes......

all the worlds greatest gangsters went down but for only one thing
Tax Evasion!

so let me see,
is this what my ad should read?

please come and see me, because of pricing control, i need to see 30 guys this week for a BBBJ!

YUMMY!!!!

that would be a guarentee i am sure.....
if u want aids!

sorry man had to jump in on this one!

 

[littlejimbigher]

One of the SP's I seen this summer raised her rates for GFE from 250 to 300. I said thank you but now you are out of my price range and then called up another who was in my range. I was polite and so was she, but a 20% jump means I would get to poon 20% less.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

I found this quote on MERB where they are having the same debate. Posted it in 411 earlier and I see it should be here as well..........

A woman is worth what she is worth to you.

The price you are willing to pay is a reflection of what it is you're looking for.

If you just want to get laid, then all you want to spend is $100 bucks.

If you want to spend quality time with a woman that see & feel something for, you are willing to spend more.

Then there are, of course, women whom might be considered priceless. Does that mean it doesn't cost anything? Duh.

You get what you pay for, basically. And the more you give, the more you get.

But keep in mind that dollars and cents are not the only form of compensation. The more you give of yourself the more you get.

Just speaking from experience. Sometimes the greatest gift you can give a woman costs little or nothing.

Is that too much wisdom for this messageboard?


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Well said just fantastic.

 

[lovinithard]

As if there was any correlation between quality and price. I certainly never found any.

 

[RenoRocks]

There is absolutely no correlation between price and quality; in fact, it is often inversely proportional.

And to the deluded who think you don't read bad reviews of the more expensive SPs because they never give bad service, are you smoking some of that wonderful BC bud you guys have? It costs more but some of that higher rate you are paying to your more expensive SPs goes into damage control to make sure the boards are constantly monitored and any negative materials promptly removed and the poster(s) banned.

This business is not that complicated guys.