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Darrin Thomas Amond was sentenced Friday to eight years in prison for the unprovoked beating death of a man he'd never met.

Marcus Tremaine Deveaux, 37, was beaten to death in the city's southeast for not being able to provide his attackers, Amond and Richard Ceaser, with a cigarette in February 2010.

Deveaux’s family flew in from around the country to be at Amond’s sentencing. Ceaser already pleaded guilty for his part in the beating and received a lifetime sentence.

“I'm a little disappointed that [Amond’s] sentence seems light, in light of the fact that Marc lost his life,” said Linda Deveaux, the victim’s mother.

Deveaux’s mother also praised the work of Calgary police and the Crown.

At the time police described the attack as random, unprovoked and brutal. Deveaux did not know his attackers.

"The nature of the injuries that the victim sustained would not allow us to do a physical identification. Therefore we're going to be relying on dental and medical records," said acting Staff Sgt. Rick Tuza at the time.

Deveaux was found unconscious in an Inglewood snow bank by a passerby in the area of 22nd Avenue and 17th Street S.E. on Feb. 8, 2010.

He was taken to hospital, but died a short time later.

Amond received eight years for the manslaughter charge, minus double-time for time served, which works out to four years, eight months.

He is also required to give a DNA sample and is subject to a lifetime weapons ban.

Deveaux’s stepfather Don Hurd said the family didn't feel Amond was any less guilty than Ceaser.

“He was 30 years old, Ceaser was 20 years old. What kind of coward can’t stop a man, from killing another man in that situation?”

Deveaux said she’s glad the ordeal is over.

"You're not going to lose your son and [have it] not be tough.”


I cut and pasted this from MSN.

What a fucking joke...some douchbag and his friend beat a guy to death because they asked him for a cigarette and he did not have one to spare so they beat him to the point that he died in a hospital.These 2 POS's should never see the streets again.

How many of you guys smoke?.....well that could have just as easily been YOU!!!!

I cant say that the death penalty is deserved but those 2 shitbags DESERVE just as severe of a beating as they gave that guy....12 hockey pucks in a burlap sack and round and round they go.

Beating a guy to death because he could not give them a cigaratte.......scum like this deserve harsh justice and not to be coddled by bleeding heart leftists.

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handled properly the death penalty wouldn't cost a damn nickel - as a matter of fact it could make money on a lottery assigning spots on the firing squad!! :thumb: :nod:
 

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The crime rate has been going down almost every year for, what, the past two decades?

We need neither a death penalty nor an overall harsher justice system.

Without doing any homework whatsoever, though, I am perfectly happy to imagine that this guy should have been sentenced to more.
 

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The crime rate has been going down almost every year for, what, the past two decades?
well, you're right - but only marginally

the last capital punishment in Canada was in 1962 - at that time the annual rate of violent crime was 200 per 100,000 of population

the death penalty was abolished in Canada in 1976 - by that year the violent crime rate had grown to approx. 600 per 100,000 of population

the violent crime rate peaked at just under 1,100 per 100,000 by 1992

since then it has fallen marginally to just over 900 per 100,000 in 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

it seems pretty simple really - to get it back down to 1962 levels, bring back the rope, although personally i still like the idea of selling lottery tickets to be on the firing squads :)
 

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Apples and oranges. The violent crime rate has something to do with murder, but not very much as the standard violent crimes are things like common assault and robbery, for which the rope is a barbarian's punishment. The homicide rate is about 2 per 100000, not 900.

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well, you're right - but only marginally

the last capital punishment in Canada was in 1962 - at that time the annual rate of violent crime was 200 per 100,000 of population

the death penalty was abolished in Canada in 1976 - by that year the violent crime rate had grown to approx. 600 per 100,000 of population

the violent crime rate peaked at just under 1,100 per 100,000 by 1992

since then it has fallen marginally to just over 900 per 100,000 in 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

it seems pretty simple really - to get it back down to 1962 levels, bring back the rope, although personally i still like the idea of selling lottery tickets to be on the firing squads :)
Capital Punishment does not lower the crime rate.

The murder rate in mid 70s was 3.0 per 100,000 and in 1.81 in 2010. In the US States without Capital Punishment have better numbers than States with Capital Punishments.

Marcus Tremaine Deveaux is dead, I feel bad but I am not after payback. But I am more worry about is stopping the next Marcus Tremaine Deveaux from happening. It is a fact that harsher justice system creates more criminals, more victims and it cost a lot of money.

How many stories have we heard over the last few years about men sent away for crimes they didn't do? How much will these new Canadian Crime laws cost? Feds will not say and the some guys who work for the Provinces told me they are screwed (going to cost the Provinces billions)

The question in this case we have to ask why manslaughter? The judge and the Crown both agreed on manslaughter. I need more detail before I judge them. But there must be a reason why they picked manslaughter over 2nd or 1st degree murder.
 

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well, you're right - but only marginally

the last capital punishment in Canada was in 1962 - at that time the annual rate of violent crime was 200 per 100,000 of population

the death penalty was abolished in Canada in 1976 - by that year the violent crime rate had grown to approx. 600 per 100,000 of population

the violent crime rate peaked at just under 1,100 per 100,000 by 1992

since then it has fallen marginally to just over 900 per 100,000 in 2007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada

it seems pretty simple really - to get it back down to 1962 levels, bring back the rope, although personally i still like the idea of selling lottery tickets to be on the firing squads :)
It doesn`t deter violent crime at all. What you are asking for is revenge. Something our government should have no part in. Ever.
 

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It doesn`t deter violent crime at all. What you are asking for is revenge. Something our government should have no part in. Ever.
But is it fair to make the victim's family's life miserable knowing that you have to support the murderer's living? Does the government have any more morality in reality? I'm happy to see what they react in their hearts if their loved ones are being murdered! Got it?
 

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But is it fair to make the victim's family's life miserable knowing that you have to support the murderer's living? Does the government have any more morality in reality? I'm happy to see what they react in their hearts if their loved ones are being murdered! Got it?
I want you to prove to me that the death penalty makes victims families feel better. Got it ?
 

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All the harsher sentencing and punishments don't solve a thing, they just create harsher people, look at the Russain Mafia and where those guys come from! Canada needs to put money into changing the mentality of young people, so beating someone up for a cigarette is unimaginable. Untill we get the wild west "lets get drunk and fuck someone up" attitude out of the heads of all the youth in our country the vilonce will never stop!
 

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All the harsher sentencing and punishments don't solve a thing, they just create harsher people, look at the Russain Mafia and where those guys come from! Canada needs to put money into changing the mentality of young people, so beating someone up for a cigarette is unimaginable. Untill we get the wild west "lets get drunk and fuck someone up" attitude out of the heads of all the youth in our country the vilonce will never stop!
I don`t think you understand. People completely uninvolved are crying blood! It makes them feel safer and like they did something.
 

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I don't feel safer if i hear of some idiot who beat up someone and killed them is behind bars especially when everytime I go out to a night club i look around and see hundreds of young guys just ready to explode. And its not just there, i also feel it in any dealings i've had with the cops, they're ready to fuck you up for any little reason too !
 

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I don't feel safer if i hear of some idiot who beat up someone and killed them is behind bars especially when everytime I go out to a night club i look around and see hundreds of young guys just ready to explode. And its not just there, i also feel it in any dealings i've had with the cops, they're ready to fuck you up for any little reason too !
Oh, I agree. I feel just as safe amongst drunken dickholes as I do the cops. Cops are bullies who hide behind the law. If I`m assaulted by a stranger fighting back is acceptable. If some cop on a powertrip assaults me I`m expected to suck it up rather than defend myself. I will defend myself in any circumstance by any means necessary. Drunk, cop...you will get punched in the face. If you`re a cop I`ll use the shit hanging on your belt to defend my rights.
 

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How many stories have we heard over the last few years about men sent away for crimes they didn't do?
just speaking off the top of my head here, i would say for every name you can trot up here of a person unjustly accused of a capital offence, i can probably trot up 15 names of victims who have been violated or killed by some creepoid who was released from jail that should have had a rope put around his neck when he was first convicted
 

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Its probably fallen because of an aging population. Most petty and violent crime is committed by young males, and 1976 was the height of the baby boom. Now the boomers are almost all senior citizens, the population on the whole is older and the crime rate has fallen.

Its harder to rob a bank or convenience store when you have to escape on a motorized scooter or haul around an oxygen tank.
or shoot straight when you're legally blind!!! :)
 

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just speaking off the top of my head here, i would say for every name you can trot up here of a person unjustly accused of a capital offence, i can probably trot up 15 names of victims who have been violated or killed by some creepoid who was released from jail that should have had a rope put around his neck when he was first convicted
So it's okay if you kill innocent folks as long as you kill more guilty ones. Just making sure the argument is clear.
 

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So it's okay if you kill innocent folks as long as you kill more guilty ones. Just making sure the argument is clear.
nothing in life is perfect. business people make decisions all the time and have to live with the circumstances. i'm saying that we have to weigh the incredible greif of a family victimized by a repeat offender against the incredible grief of a person unjustly accused. weigh them - like on a balance - and if the balance tips in favour of the victims, especially vastly on the side of the victims, then the few unfortunate unjustly accused have to be thought of as acceptable losses. you might not have to make these kinds of decisions in your job, but i make them all the time. i've gotten used to it and i realize that society is no different

also, what determined the unjustness of the handful of recently proven 'unjustly accuseds'? it was new evidence in the form of DNA testing - well, guess what, we have DNA testing now and can be much more certain of our convictions. obviously capital punishment wouldn't be handed out in cases where it was only the weight of circumstantial eveidence that led to the conviction. but for a person caught red-handed or where the DNA evidence rules out all other possibilities - HANG 'EM HIGH, I SAY! (or sell lottery tickets for spots on the firing squad... lol)
 

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nothing in life is perfect. business people make decisions all the time and have to live with the circumstances.
Oh, well, that's perfectly reasonable then. "Live with the circumstances" is probably the wrong metaphorical device.
also, what determined the unjustness of the handful of recently proven 'unjustly accuseds'? it was new evidence in the form of DNA testing
DNA testing is neither magic nor available in many circumstances.

Here are two guys who were killed when there was no case against them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis_case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham

This is an excellent film, and exciting! Watch as the filmmaker actually draws out a confession from the real killer that the law didn't pursue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thin_Blue_Line_(film)
 
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