This how stupid the climate change subject has become.

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Horn_dawg

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As the topic title is Climate Change stupidity.....

AOC claims that Miami will not exist in a couple of years due to sea levels rising.

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Meanwhile:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dwyane-wade-asks-32-5-million-for-miami-beach-home-11568830527

I guess no one told Dwayne Wade or his realtor about "rising sea levels" in Florida as he puts his waterfront Miami Beach property on the market. You would think if AOC was correct or there was any hint of truth to it then there would be panic selling at cutrate pricing as desperate home owners tried to cut their losses and head for higher ground. But...no lets go for a $12 million dollar profit over 9 years.

Also: More prominent climate change activists showing no fear of rising sea levels despite their proclamations to the contrary.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08...ident-obama-just-bought-a-beachside-property/
Bre-X was a pretty hot stock at one point.
 

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"A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of 'eco-refugees', threatening political chaos." That was in 1989.

19 years past that deadline, who ya gonna believe? Well, we got the political chaos, n'est-ce pas? but we're still waiting for the apocalypse.
The prediction appears to be coming true.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-...lu-sinking-islands-rising-seas-climate-change
 

Horn_dawg

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Seems pretty smart to me too.Since the evil CO2 that brings all plants/tree etc life and in return they give us oxygen so that we may make CO2 for them.

As for the CO2 level that went from 260 parts per million to 370 parts per million....consider this....take 1 MILLION white marbles and lay them flat in say a rectangular shape and contained....remove 370 white marbles and replace them with black ones.....put them anywhere you want....all over the place or in one single blob type of thing.The rest of those 1 MILLION white marbles are going to make your 370 parts per million not matter.

Do the math based on the parts per million as in a percentage of the atmosphere....CO2 does not have jack shit for real estate in that department.....do the math.Be sure to follow the money as well.

According to Al Gore the city of New York as well as New Orleans were supposed to be underwater 10 year+ ago and the doom and gloom predictions go back to the 1970's.Climate Change is a sham.The climate on this planet has gone through cycles for 4.2 BILLION years and the climate has changed all that time.During one point millions of years ago Canada was considered a Tropical environment and it was at that time millions of years ago.

SR
The EPA guideline for maximum arsenic level in drinking water is 10 parts per billion. I wouldn't drink water with 370 parts per million arsenic in it, will you?

p.s. can you provide reference to Al Gore's claim about NY city? As for New Orleans, part of the city is already under sea level and had been for a while.
 

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"A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of 'eco-refugees', threatening political chaos." That was in 1989.

19 years past that deadline, who ya gonna believe? Well, we got the political chaos, n'est-ce pas? but we're still waiting for the apocalypse.
It's already started:

Guatemala:

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...imate-change-force-guatemalans-migrate-to-us/

India:

https://thediplomat.com/2018/08/taking-indias-climate-migrants-seriously/

Pacific Nation Kiribati:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-refugees-kiribati-cbsn-on-assignment/

Alaska:

https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-08...na-alaska-be-first-climate-change-refugees-us

Honduras:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/13/world/americas/coffee-climate-change-migration.html


Miami - they're already seeing flooding with not a cloud in the sky


US Navy - already having to deal with rising waters:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ard-raising-fears-catastrophic-damage-n937396
 
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Been walking the Stanley Park Seawall since built. Other than tide, haven't noticed any changes in water level. Some parts of the world the land is sinking. Haven't heard if coastal Lower Mainland of BC is rising. Perhaps coastal BC is rising since the Pacific tectonic plate is always pushing into the North American tectonic plate. BC wouldn't have all the mountains that BC has if the tectonic plants weren't pushing together.
 

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Yes climate change is happening, has happened, what you are not saying is the rate at which the climate is changing. That is alarming!

Warmer air holds more water vapour (moisture), hence lately more larger hurricanes, more rain, bigger snow storms, bigger floods in areas considered to be in the flood range of "every 100 years" . Floods wipe out the soil underneath, so if you want to grow crops, you need soil... Although there are studies that have shown you can grow plants without soil, it still takes water to grow plants. Early last century some people came up with a grain that could use reduced water, nothing since then that I have heard means they can grow barley with less water. So you climate negators pls don't complain when the insurance company increases your home insurance (yeah that has already happened the insurance companies raised you insurance after the Calgary Floods)

https://inspectapedia.com/hazmat/Carbon_Dioxide_Hazards.php This chart on this page tells you the toxicity of CO2.

Right now with the hockey stick graph, CO2 limits are increasing at an increasing rate. So as we humans are cutting down trees in the Amazon (trees which can convert the CO2 back into O2), we have a decreasing change of CO2 to O2. Humans are still putting CO2 into the atmosphere faster than it can be turned back into O2. Studies have shown that it takes mature trees to accomplish this, humans have a habit of cutting the tree just as it matures (50 to 70 years depending on species).

So as CO2 increases the O2 will decrease in the atmosphere. Any studies on how that affects the human body? The CO2 is a greenhouse gas that is helping to warm the temperature of the earth's atmosphere..... So far I think the average temp has gone up 1 degree. How much more water vapour can the air hold with another 1 degree rise in temp? More and more flooding will happen and bigger storms like hurricanes and winter snow storms....

Read the reference, it tells you how toxic CO2 can be at certain levels.... Ever feel drowsy in a lecture room, could be poor air quality/rise in CO2 in a room. But then again people will only see the facts they want to believe....
First off the "hockey stick" graph specifically leaves out the warming period of the middle ages because if it were included it would make the current CO2 levels look like nothing.As for the computer climate models from the so called "experts" they specifically avoid including clouds and water vapour into the calculations as they would not get the result desired.Af for the Amazon rain forest the Canadian northern boreal forest cleans up 50% of worldwide GHG emissions and Canada produces 2%
of worldwide GHG emissions.

The most common misconception about the issue is that "94% of scientists believe in climate change"....that is a very broad brush to paint that fact....how many of the 94% believe in "man made climate change"?....the answer to that is the ones feeding at the trough who dont want to lose their government funding.

SR
 

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Whatever you hear or read about "global warming" you should know something about the "solar sun-spot cycle" that happens on average every 11.2 years. Quite simply, sun-spots are whirlpools on the surface of the sun. The whirlpools draw in cooler surface material of the molten Sun, exposing the hotter underlayers. Vancouver has been, in my lifetime, in a position to see the effects of the sunspot cycle much more dramatically than most I suppose, since the 11.2 year variability of the sun is enough to either cause heavy snow in Vancouver's moist climate or rain fall.


In case you're interested in the "global warming" thing: the earth's orbit is an ellipse around the Sun, not a circle. If you remember high school geometry you know that an ellipse has two foci. The Sun sits at one focus and the earth orbits around both foci. For long periods of time as the ellipse rotates once around the Sun, far longer than 11.2 years, the earth will be either closer or further from the Sun during the same season each year. Another thing is the tilt of the earth's axis varies a little bit. Also over fairly long periods of time, but not on the same schedule. Without a tilt there wouldn't be any seasons at all. Too much tilt there would be extreme heating and cooling during the year. The other thing is that the land mass of the northern hemisphere is so much greater than that in the southern hemisphere. Snow can accumulate only on land and if these things conspire to make summers in the northern hemisphere cool enough, the snow won't melt and an "ice age" comes on from the northern hemisphere that affects the whole planet. Equally likely, these things can conspire to melt an ice age that some writers say that the earth is still in, since Antarctica and Greenland are in ice all year. On the longest schedule of all, the earth's continents drift about. Evidently there was a time when most of the land mass was around the equator. Was never any accumulation of snow and never any iceage at all for enormously long periods of time--hundreds of millions of years. Currently about 10,000 years. Folks who calculate these things suggest that earth should be going into an ice age. And my own opinion, *knock on wood* carbon dioxide emitted into the atmosphere would simply prevent the iceage, without actually changing the earth's temperature too much. Famous last words, eh?
 

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Been walking the Stanley Park Seawall since built. Other than tide, haven't noticed any changes in water level. Some parts of the world the land is sinking. Haven't heard if coastal Lower Mainland of BC is rising. Perhaps coastal BC is rising since the Pacific tectonic plate is always pushing into the North American tectonic plate. BC wouldn't have all the mountains that BC has if the tectonic plants weren't pushing together.
More likely you will just slide into the ocean some morning.
 

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Using university money (I. E. her employer ) to put up a billboard is not free speech. She screwed up doing her job and took responsibility for it.
Almost any business would have acted the same way as the university.
Companies have very strict policies about public statements by employees who say they are speaking for that company.
 

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It is one thing to go out for dinner with some people, or at a friend's BBQ make a comment about something....really not a big deal at all usually.
But when you spend the business's cash to erect a billboard, you better be damn certain that you have the permission of the TOP boss, not even just your immediate supervisor.
If one of my employees were wanting to put an ad on a billboard, trust me when I say that they better involve me from the first thought, right through the process and it being glued into place.
Or they will next be standing in the unemployment line.
 

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Climate change is a reality. And there's plenty of evidence to suggest we're in the midst of a 6th mass extinction. Studies on isotopic composition of atmospheric CO2 indicates us humans are major contributors to the carbon cycle. Particularly the burning of fossil fuel.

But the bottom line is scientists aren't sure how things will play out. There's too many factors that come into play. For example; Increasing green house gases could end up contributing to cooling the planet due to cloud cover.

Our environment can only hold so many of us. Overpopulation is the main problem, the elephant in the room. and highly I doubt bandaid solutions such has urban density, banning straws and going vegan will solve anything. And younger generations throwing tantrums and pointing the finger at older generations isn't helpful either. The blame game doesn't solve problems. I find it strange that sterilization is not promoted. Perhaps that would be too politically incorrect...
 

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Our environment can only hold so many of us. Overpopulation is the main problem, the elephant in the room.
and how is adding 500,000+ a year going to help that

since we're such climate contributors?

and Turdeau wants to increase that amount, the NDP and so called Greens are against lowering that amount too

if you truly are about being Green, you'd be against our immigration policies

the hypocrite Suzuki is

all we need to do is get our birthrate up to 2 and keep it there to have a stable population

then live within our means, increase productivity, which is abysmal in this country, mostly due to bad gov't politics

remember the Robots are coming, the Robots are coming!!!

everyone is going to lose their jobs!!

we'll be underwater anyway :heh:
 

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and how is adding 500,000+ a year going to help that

since we're such climate contributors?

and Turdeau wants to increase that amount, the NDP and so called Greens are against lowering that amount too

if you truly are about being Green, you'd be against our immigration policies
I had no idea our immigrants are coming from outer space!
 

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Canadians hardly ever seem to realize how 7 decades of exporting Canada's manufacturing jobs has made wealthly immigrants a leading source if foreign income. Financial blogs say that such jobs can't even come back to the States, so I suppose Canada is in the same fix. But no reason to not keep trying fabricrate the products that you use.
 

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First off the "hockey stick" graph specifically leaves out the warming period of the middle ages because if it were included it would make the current CO2 levels look like nothing.As for the computer climate models from the so called "experts" they specifically avoid including clouds and water vapour into the calculations as they would not get the result desired.Af for the Amazon rain forest the Canadian northern boreal forest cleans up 50% of worldwide GHG emissions and Canada produces 2%
of worldwide GHG emissions.

The most common misconception about the issue is that "94% of scientists believe in climate change"....that is a very broad brush to paint that fact....how many of the 94% believe in "man made climate change"?....the answer to that is the ones feeding at the trough who dont want to lose their government funding.

SR
https://www.canada.ca/en/environment-climate-change/services/types-weather-forecasts-use/public/guide.html

So normal weather does not deal with moisture content of the air and temperature? Ever hear of rain, humidity, snow, area of high pressure and low pressure.

https://www.coolkidfacts.com/how-is-rain-formed/

https://science.howstuffworks.com/nature/climate-weather/atmospheric/weather6.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy

SR pls read the wikipedia account of the hockey stick controversy.... Read about the Wegman Report and the the Continuing Research (at bottom of page) . Over 14 studies have been done (with various methods of statistics) and all conform to the hockey stick.

Conclusion the rise in CO2 levels have led to rise in Temperature Levels.... and it is greater than the middle ages....could the rise be to sunspot variations (maybe) but more likely the efforts of mankind by burning fossil fuels (which when burned produces CO2)
Another things renewables (solar and wind) takes people out of the grid. The government and big bussiness loose control of those people... Currently I believe that the BC government does not allow for excess power to be sold to (beyond a certain limit) to the BC Hydro Corporation...
 

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Climate change is a reality. And there's plenty of evidence to suggest we're in the midst of a 6th mass extinction. Studies on isotopic composition of atmospheric CO2 indicates us humans are major contributors to the carbon cycle. Particularly the burning of fossil fuel.

But the bottom line is scientists aren't sure how things will play out. There's too many factors that come into play. For example; Increasing green house gases could end up contributing to cooling the planet due to cloud cover.

Our environment can only hold so many of us. Overpopulation is the main problem, the elephant in the room. and highly I doubt bandaid solutions such has urban density, banning straws and going vegan will solve anything. And younger generations throwing tantrums and pointing the finger at older generations isn't helpful either. The blame game doesn't solve problems. I find it strange that sterilization is not promoted. Perhaps that would be too politically incorrect...
The Canadian state is subsidizing population growth. "Century Initiative - 100 Million Canadians by 2100" is the core policy of Trudeau regime. Toronto Star: “Ali, who came to Canada from Somalia in 1992 with five children, had six more kids with her husband after she arrived. But in 1999 her husband left and a year later a workplace injury forced her to quit her job as a cleaner.” Under Canada Child Benefit, scenarios as above receive $64,400 - tax free. Transnational corporations e.g. Walmart love this arrangement.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...of-canada.html

http://www.centuryinitiative.ca
 

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The Canadian state is subsidizing population growth. "Century Initiative - 100 Million Canadians by 2100" is the core policy of Trudeau regime. Toronto Star: “Ali, who came to Canada from Somalia in 1992 with five children, had six more kids with her husband after she arrived. But in 1999 her husband left and a year later a workplace injury forced her to quit her job as a cleaner.” Under Canada Child Benefit, scenarios as above receive $64,400 - tax free. Transnational corporations e.g. Walmart love this arrangement.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...of-canada.html

http://www.centuryinitiative.ca
$64,400 child tax benefits???!!! Per year?? Is that a typo? Please tell me that is a typo. One of the links doesn't work...
 

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Climate change is a reality. . .
Yes. And it has been for all of geological time. How many ice ages have there been in the Holocene Epoch? (100,000 years). Seven or so? The Northern ice cap used to extend down to California.

Canada's anti climate change initiatives are symbolic only. The engines of man made clmiate change age are China, India, Indonesia, Brazil and yes, the United States.

Global stability and prosperity are everything. Nothing else matters.
 
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