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Spermie and I will feast on this whilst getting BBBJ's from pretty Sugarlings.....gals that love to give good service without the "my shit dont stink attitude"


SR
I actually live with her, and I can tell you, that you have a wrong opinion of her. She is actually as real as they get. In person, she is quite submissive [not SnM style, just a sweet girl]. She also just happens to be intelligent. All she's doing is starting a conversation in the lounge for fun, and educational purposes [for her as well]. Did you notice how AlinBurnaby taught her something? No, you're just too busy hating her, for no reason. Do you work in the field of slaughtering animals? i was thinking about this the other day because you're so defensive about your right to eat meat [which is definitely your right. Nobody is trying to take that away from you] It's just a conversation in the lounge. The lounge is meant for all kinds of conversations. Maybe you need to laugh. Go look at my joke thread :D

Sperminator eats meat, but he just tries to be cute and funny. Unlike you. I read a lot of your posts and I think that you think women are beneath you. Just shut up and suck our cocks? I'm sorry but I like to think, play, have an opinion, and do all kinds of human things. As much fun as sucking cock is, I would be pretty bored if that's all I did, lol

I am not trying to pick a fight with you, SR, just defending my roommates [and all women] right to freedom of speech, without being called names.
 

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Easy girl - people are gonna start thinking you're smart and then where would you be? (see joke thread about sh*t) lol


I actually live with her, and I can tell you, that you have a wrong opinion of her. She is actually as real as they get. In person, she is quite submissive [not SnM style, just a sweet girl]. She also just happens to be intelligent. All she's doing is starting a conversation in the lounge for fun, and educational purposes [for her as well]. Did you notice how AlinBurnaby taught her something? No, you're just too busy hating her, for no reason. Do you work in the field of slaughtering animals? i was thinking about this the other day because you're so defensive about your right to eat meat [which is definitely your right. Nobody is trying to take that away from you] It's just a conversation in the lounge. The lounge is meant for all kinds of conversations. Maybe you need to laugh. Go look at my joke thread :D

Sperminator eats meat, but he just tries to be cute and funny. Unlike you. I read a lot of your posts and I think that you think women are beneath you. Just shut up and suck our cocks? I'm sorry but I like to think, play, have an opinion, and do all kinds of human things. As much fun as sucking cock is, I would be pretty bored if that's all I did, lol

I am not trying to pick a fight with you, SR, just defending my roommates [and all women] right to freedom of speech, without being called names.
 

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Whether it's animal welfare/ethics, environmental or health issues (and ultimately all are intertwined), there is no way to defend factory farmed meat especially with the wealth of information out there.

'The thinking man must oppose all cruel customs no matter how deeply rooted in tradition and surrounded by a halo. When we have a choice, we must avoid bringing torment and injury into the life of another, even the lowliest creature; to do so is to renounce our manhood and shoulder a guilt which nothing justifies.' Albert Schweitzer

'Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.' Albert Einstein

'First the they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.' Mahatma Gandhi

 

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And of course dont forget when you are at that fancy ( uppity) restaurant... with 300 or 500 bill afterwards...that the tattoed little punk cooking your food will be out in the back ( as yo u drive away) smoking on a cigarette, spitting on the ground and picking his nose. This happens lots. How healthy is that? Poor city slickers who cant cook for themselves lol

fresh pickerel I say!, partidge! Deer steak!. mmmm mushrooms from out in the pasture..mmm mmmm
 

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I am a meat and potatoes guy. Always was, always will be. My dad is a meat and potatoes guy. He is eighty. My grandfather was
a meat an potatoes guy. He lived to ninety three.
 

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I will die an early death because I eat lots of meat and virtually no vegetables. I can accept that I won't live past my 50s.
Why bump this thread in order to post this lame crap?



When I sit down for a meal--whether dining in or dining out--I eat meat. I eat beef. I eat pork. I eat chicken. I eat duck. I eat seafood. A meal without meat is not a meal at all. I do not want salads and Evian water. I want dead and seasoned and grilled/roasted/pan-fried/batter dipped and deep-fried animal flesh on my plate. A day without meat is a day without sunshine.

I know I won't live a long life because of my eating habits. I probably won't live to celebrate my 60th birthday. To paraphrase Frank Sinatra, I want to DO IT MY WAY.

Yup.

Note to Spermie:

We got it the first time you posted it,
we got it the second time too
....so why waste our time a third time?




My favorite food right now is popcorn.

It's so healthy and filling and has fibre and tastes great with ALL-NATURAL 100% REAL BUTTER MADE FROM REAL CREAM THAT COMES FROM 100% REAL COWS!

Note to Spermie:

Even if it can be a little funny the first time...
And maaaaaybe still slightly amusing to some people the second time.
By the third time it's basically just repetitive, not really funny anymore (and actually kind of annoying:eek:).

For the sake of your friends and coworkers, I sure hope you don't repeat all of your jokes like that. :eek:




Become a vegan problem solved
No, actually veganism or vegetarianism has nothing to do with it. The topic discussed on this thread involved all foods, not just meat. Vegetables were included as well. (see below)



I am a meat and potatoes guy. Always was, always will be. My dad is a meat and potatoes guy. He is eighty. My grandfather was a meat an potatoes guy. He lived to ninety three.

Hmm and your point is....?:confused:






Actually, this isn't specifically about meat. If you'd taken a few minutes to read instead of going straight to your usual close-minded assumptions and not even giving bothering to think, you would have known it's about food. All food - not just meat.

When herbs like basil get recalled for possible salmonella contamination, the issue is about more than whether you eat meat or you don't.. Maybe you refuse to even consider there might be a problem with the way we do certain things, but don't assume everyone else feels the same.

You don't care about the safety of your food? Good for you, enjoy your salmonella.. Call me crazy but I personally prefer to avoid violent diarrhea as much as possible but if you're cool with it, good for you. :rolleyes:

Since Spermie seems to still have not bothered reading earlier posts on this thread (even though he's been commenting from the beginning) and apparently still doesn't understand what is actually being discussed, I'll hold his hand and spoonfeed him.

Seriously Spermie, why even bother reviving this thread to post such stupidities that don't even have anything to do with this AND that you've already posted TWICE. :rolleyes:





Food contaminated with Salmonella may not look or smell spoiled. Consumption of food contaminated with this bacteria may cause salmonellosis, a foodborne illness. In young children, the elderly and people with weakened immune systems, salmonellosis may cause serious and sometimes deadly infections. In otherwise healthy people, salmonellosis may cause short-term symptoms such as high fever, severe headache, vomiting, nausea, abdominal pain and diarrhea. Long-term complications may include severe arthritis.

The thing that makes our food unsafe is factory farming, the consolidation of the food supply into major corporations and their resulting ability to influence government into relaxing regulation.

If a person buys their food from small family farms, they are eating safe food.


GMT said:
I do eat chicken , turkey and beef etc but I generally agree with Bijou. Our safety/inspection processes have fallen horribly. Agribiz., the producers, pharmaceutics, etc and govn. cuts have lead to this.

Think leaving the meat will help?. Worldwide we have allowed patten protection for genes, a soy plant that thrives if sprayed directly with round up. Better yield lower costs, dominating markets, Think and maybe laugh a little at what those yuppie tofu eaters are consuming.

BiJou is essentially right. Evan sml farms must compete and they buy seed or feed and use hormones etc. Even lettuce is sprayed with filthy water n not cleaned, remember the recalls of spinach the last few summers. It's a big and growing problem.

If we want our food at the lowest price we get the lowest quality. Just short of mass death (and there is ab acceptable loss calculation) just barely below the threshold of majority outcry is what we will get. You want safer, you gotta pay, you want more humane, you gotta pay.


Whether it's animal welfare/ethics, environmental or health issues (and ultimately all are intertwined), there is no way to defend factory farmed meat especially with the wealth of information out there.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-co...ntaminated-meat-halal-plant-pitt-meadows.html
This is the problem with Industrial Food. The first solution management always tries is to cover it up and fire the people that don't think food is press to logs.
 

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http://www.foodsafetyfirst.ca/email/10nov-19-en.html

As unbelievable as this may seem, the federal Minister of Agriculture admitted yesterday that Ottawa has chosen to ignore one of the most important recommendations coming out of the investigation into the Maple Leaf Foods listeriosis disaster more than two years ago.

This cavalier decision could have lasting negative consequences for the safety of Canada's food.

Sheila Weatherill was appointed to find out how our food safety system broke down to the point that 22 died after eating contaminated cold cuts and to recommend reforms to make sure this never happens again.

She uncovered some shocking things.

Weatherill found that Ottawa had rolled the dice and implemented a new and unproven inspection system just before the Maple Leaf Foods outbreak.

She concluded the new system needed “critical improvements related to its design, planning and implementation” and found that Ottawa went ahead even though the government did not know how many inspectors it would take to make the new system work properly.

In short, Ottawa gambled with our food safety and Canadians lost.

Weatherill called for an independent audit to determine the level of inspection resources needed to make the new system work properly to safeguard Canadians. She wanted that audit to assess the number of meat processing plants an inspector could realistically cover.

Now we've learned that Ottawa has turned its back on this clear and important recommendation. The result is that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency still has no idea how many inspectors are needed to safeguard our food supply.

In fact, there were more process meat inspectors in place before the Maple Leaf Foods outbreak than the CFIA estimates are needed now, according to the inspectors union!






No audit of meat plant inspectors done

By Sarah Schmidt,
November 18, 2010


OTTAWA — Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz on Thursday conceded the government has not conducted an external audit to determine how many inspectors are needed to police Canada's meat plants.

In the wake of the deadly listeriosis outbreak in the summer of 2008, independent investigator Sheila Weatherill said a resources audit by outside experts was needed because the Canadian Food Inspection Agency implemented its new inspection system without conducting a full assessment of resources required.

Article here




Conservatives defend food safety as furor grows over CFIA audit



Minister unsure how many Canadian inspectors watching animals bound for slaughter



Canada still lacking inspectors at meat plants: CFIA




Food contaminated with Salmonella may not look or smell spoiled. Consumption of food contaminated with this bacteria may cause salmonellosis, a foodborne illness. In young children, the elderly and people with weakened immune systems, salmonellosis may cause serious and sometimes deadly infections. In otherwise healthy people, salmonellosis may cause short-term symptoms such as high fever, severe headache, vomiting, nausea, abdominal pain and diarrhea. Long-term complications may include severe arthritis.



Sounds like fun.


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Miss Bijou. Thank you for doing the research that some people on this board are too lazy to do.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Miss Bijou, I have no problem with sperminator telling it three times. It sounds like your really clueless about the food industry in canada.
We are so lucky. You have no idea.


Hm... It's not like I just made it up. Judging by the many links I included (and the numerous others I didn't), it's hard to pretend I came up with it myself. I'd say lots of people share that concern and that is why I included lots of references to back up my comments. Which begs the question: Where are yours, I didn't see any??



Not like I'm all that surprised you didn't, but maybe you could have bothered reading at least some of it before giving us your retar.... um, I mean, "expert" opinion . (Dunno, adds a little credibility at least.) Sounds like you're a little clueless yourself there, donneee. You'll have to forgive me if I don't take your word for it.
 

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If God didn't want us to eat meat, then He wouldn't have made all His creatures so juicy and tender and delicious.

Well tell that to the many atheists out there... :rolleyes:

I can handle and can definitely respect someone having a different opinion than mine when they argue intelligently and logically. If you can't do that, and can't bother to stay on topic either, sorry, that's a fail and I've got no respect for that shit. Just keep repeating the same retarded thing, good news is there are like-minded people who apparently enjoy that.

If it is beyond your scope of understanding that some people (me included) are actually concerned about more than the color of our shoes, fine. In that case, you should just skip the thread and avoid the discussion like most people who feel this way do. What you insist on doing is disrespectful, immature, rude, not to mention ignorant as hell.





Ya this makes me really want to book her....

Haven't we already been through this? I can refer you back to the thread if you need a reminder.. Don't worry, I won't miss you. :rolleyes:
 

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Spermie, really, you're an idiot. But that's deliberate, isn't it.

I can handle and can definitely respect someone having a different opinion than mine when they argue intelligently and logically. If you can't do that, and can't bother to stay on topic either, sorry, that's a fail and I've got no respect for that shit. Just keep repeating the same retarded thing, good news is there are like-minded people who apparently enjoy that.

If it is beyond your scope of understanding that some people (me included) are actually concerned about more than the color of our shoes, fine. In that case, you should just skip the thread and avoid the discussion like most people who feel this way do. What you insist on doing is disrespectful, immature, rude, not to mention ignorant as hell.
Must be nice to be you. You're so much better than all the rest of us...
 

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Oh.. I just remembered I had originally come back to this thread to add this video cause I thought it was pretty funny. :p Gotta love The Onion.


 

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Miss*Bijou

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wow you guys are really funny and soooooo original. (Not)

...... (again) Good thing this thread wasn't about meat specifically.



The day you do your own killing of the meat on your plate is the day you'll be entitled to trivialize the suffering. Only I doubt that day will come because:

1) You'd be proving you're a sociopath if you were able to do the killing and still find the topic funny;

2) The suffering would be about 1% of what it is in the case of the meat you buy now (with a very few exceptions that likely don't apply to you - or you would probably not think of this as a laughing matter), which you apparently think is A-Ok to joke about. Even if you did happen to find it funny, it still wouldn't be comparable to the brutality and misery you're joking about now which extends to these animals entire lives.


I would like to believe that you are simply clueless about the kind of horror that meat on your plate had to endure - from birth to slaughter. Chances are that's only because you've chosen not to know, which is necessary in order for you to continue enjoying eating misery without feeling any remorse for your part, for your responsibility in allowing it to persist, all for your enjoyment. That decision is yours to make. Fine.


But that you guys can actually make jokes out of it is a whole separate issue. It's vile, it's is disgusting and I can only imagine you are either:

1) genuinely clueless; 2) deliberately clueless; 3) fully aware and informed


I don't know which category you fall into but I wholeheartedly hope it's the first one. If it's the second, it's up to you whether you inform yourself or not but choosing to remain ignorant does NOT excuse making jokes about it.

If you fall into the last category and still find it funny, please know that you rank about as low as pedophiles and rapists on the moral scale. Really. And that's not a joke. It's not any of my business what your personal choices are, but it truly takes a very small person to make this a laughing matter.




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I really have no idea what you're talking about or what that even has to do with any of this but if it made you feel better...
meh, whatever.
Spermie said nothing against you personally, yet you felt compelled to attack him directly. It doesn't make me feel better, and the only one showing hatred in here, is you.
 

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Spermie said nothing against you personally, yet you felt compelled to attack him directly. It doesn't make me feel better, and the only one showing hatred in here, is you.

I guess you feel compelled to comment without bothering to read the history. Hatred is a strong word. Disgust is more accurate and there's no shame in admitting it. What you call an "attack" is more like a natural response. Spermie was actually the first one to post an asinine reply when I initially started this thread, which he sheepishly deleted immediately after I responded. Out of respect, I deleted my post too, because it included a quote of his post along with my reply.

I was tolerant of his subsequent passive-aggressive/attempts at humor and then the discussion eventually ended and that was that. Then for some reason, months later he suddenly feels compelled to bump the whole thread again out of nowhere, just to make a ridiculous and pointless comment that's not even on topic....again.

Like I said, it might be funny the first time, but after that it's just redundant, unoriginal, callous, clueless, cheap humor about an issue that is anything but funny. Truthfully I would consider it more an attack then my own response to what felt genuinely offensive to me. At the very least, it's in extremely bad taste and it was the last drop as far as I was concerned.

Sorry if that represents an "attack" to you, you're certainly entitled to your opinion but I don't see it that way at all and would certainly not hesitate to do it again... because it's not funny. You find these videos above and below funny? It's just so hillllllarious, eh?



Revealed: No Country for Animals (Global News report)





 

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I was tolerant of his subsequent passive-aggressive/attempts at humor and then the discussion eventually ended and that was that. Then for some reason, months later he suddenly feels compelled to bump the whole thread again out of nowhere, just to make a ridiculous and pointless comment that's not even on topic....again.


That pretty much sums up the useless little turds entire life. If he would stick to his useless threads about skirts and purses he wouldn't be such a tool.
 

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The video shows the worst of the worst. It would be like showing the poor kids from africa starving. In most of the farms and ranches it isn't like that.
The farmers and ranchers take pride in there animals. 99% of the farmers and ranchers do not mistreat there animals. There is exceptions and that's too bad.

I highly doubt this Donnee. The common practices that are industry standards are already considered abuse, so to say it is the exception is very untrue. I am talking about:


1) Sow stalls, which restrict sows' movement to standing or lying down. Period. For their entire lives, leaving them to feed their piglets on the other side of metal bars. (These are banned in Europe but standard practice in the US and in Canada)





2) Tail docking/Teeth pulling/castration on piglets without anesthetics (very painful). Why is it "necessary"? Because pigs are so crammed into pens that out of boredom and lack of room to move or do much, they chew on the tail of a pig standing in front of them. Without tails or teeth, it's been decided the problem is solved.


We would never dream of doing this to our dogs or cats!! Why is it routine for pigs??


3) Crammed animals who spend their entire (but short) lives in confined areas, justifiably stressed and unable to engage in any of their natural behaviors.





4) Removing horns/castration, again without anesthetics (very painful)


5) De-beaking aka beak "trimming" (euphemism) which describes what is done to hens and chickens to avoid incidences of injuries/attacks/cannibalism that occur from the crammed, overpopulated conditions within cages or barns (for "cage-free" and ). Of course, this is done without anesthetics as well. (very painful, traumatic and results in acute pain because of the sensitivity of the beak. Many cannot eat for days after they have this done, due to the intense pain. Some also die.)




Oh... but that's for the "broiler" chickens (those we eat) and the female egg laying hens... the males don't lay eggs, and aren't genetically modified to grow quicker and bigger like the "broiler" chickens, so having no need for them, they're killed as soon as they hatch. (drowned/scalded, ground-up alive, dumped in containers to suffocate or die slowly, electrocuted...)


A dumpster full of discarded chicks at a egg-laying facility.



6) Cows are repeatedly raped so they get pregnant, as of course, this is the only way to get them to produce milk which we can steal and drink ourselves. Once the calf is born, even though the milk produced by the cow is meant for him, he/she will not get to drink it.

If it's a female calf, she can look forward to the same glorious life as her mother's; a repeating cycle of rape, pregnancy, and babies taken from her so she can be milked and milked and milked so human's can drink secretions meant for another species. If she's lucky the greedy practice of excessively milking and the selective breeding/genetic modification for higher milk production won't lead to painful grotesque mastitis suffered by many cows abused by the dairy production industry. If she's lucky.




If the calf is male, really there isn't much use for him since he can't produce milk, so he is used where conveniently, a market was created for all the other undesirable male calves like him, so they can at least represent s small amount of $ returns. Taken from their mothers, they will be left alone and fed on small amounts of formula for a short time and then, while still babies they'll be shipped off to be slaughtered and end up on a plate as veal.



7) Transport (we have THE most lax laws when it comes to transport, we are even worse than the US on this front). It is said to be the area where the most suffering occurs. (See link to Curb the cruelty in next post)


And the saddest part is that I could write so much more. There is so much info that is kept secret and still, what is known is bad enough!



The reality is industry is driven largely by economics, maximum productivity and profit concerns. To suggest that current intensive practices are in the best interests of the animals is to deny the reality of current intensive farming practices.

http://cfhs.ca/features/cfhs_denounces_farm_animal_care_publication


The ENTIRE system is absolutely, unquestionably inhumane and barbaric. Directly related to the inhumane confinement, transport and treatment of animals are the health issues that are inherent to this system. It's impossible to debate or deny the unavoidable outcome of large numbers of animals that are confined together, crammed and stressed (which naturally compromises the immune system) which makes it the perfect breeding ground for bacteria, viruses and diseases.

To prevent infections that animals may or may not be suffering from, the continued and constant use of antibiotics at sub therapeutic levels (added daily to the animal feed) is also standard practice, one that results in rendering them ineffective to treat our infections... one by one, they become useless. These are the same antibiotics used to treat humans... Oh and their use on animals conveniently increases growth, making the animals bigger, faster... resulting in more $.


Now consider that these animals are then consumed by you. By your children. Think about it, then tell me again that it's healthy. If you do, you've seriously lost credibility with me. This is a "no brainer". This isn't about who eats meat and who doesn't. This is about what you feed your family and yourself. And to me, it's beyond ridiculous that some of you are actually defending this because you seem to think that you "win" some kind of argument and you've fought for your manly right to eat meat. Do you not get that it's not even the point?


Would you not rather eat meat that isn't a health hazard (a long list of it) or a result of unbelievable cruelty and suffering on a massive scale....knowing there is another way and it's NOT necessary? How do you justify that? How do you rationalize that or explain to your kids? I don't understand what the motivation is or why you would choose to defend something that doesn't benefit you but that actually harms you? Explain that to me please.


And before you do, you can take a look at this CBC report (marketplace aired on Feb 11, 2011). Reality check for some of you ostriches! :p Doesn't look like the exception to me, Donnee. Again. When the exceptions get to be so many...they're not really exceptions anymore. Standard practice, widespread, the norm..not the exception. Sorry. Take some time to review the information, the reports and the documentation available online (not gov or industry sponsored!) and you'll understand why your comments are soooo far from reality.




Watch the short report here:
http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/superbugsinthesupermarket/





Superbugs in the Supermarket

Canadians are becoming increasingly resistant to antibiotics. As a result, people are getting sicker and are taking longer to get well. It is now not uncommon for people to be administered antibiotics through an IV because the usual drugs in pill form can't fight off their infections.

While we've all heard that over-prescription of antibiotics to people is one cause of the resistance, what many Canadians don't know is that another major cause is because the animals we eat are also given large amounts of antibiotics. And not just when they're sick: healthy animals can be fed antibiotics every day because it makes them grow bigger, faster.

In an important story about human health, and the food we eat, Marketplace tests 100 samples of chicken bought at major supermarkets from across the country.

In Superbugs in the Supermarket, we name popular brands, and also reveal surprising information about organic poultry that claims to be raised without antibiotics.



YUM!




Why So Secret? The Quest for Antibiotic Use Statistics

By Marlene McArdle
Senior Researcher

Marketplace made a serious attempt to find information on the amount of antimicrobials used in livestock in Canada. First of all, we knew that the figure had recently been released in the United States. The FDA announced in December 2010 that approximately 29 million pounds of antimicrobials were sold for use in livestock in that country in 2009. So we set out on a quest for the equivalent amount for Canada.

Health Canada told us there were no quotas for antimicrobial use in animals, and furthermore that there was no requirement for industry to report how much is being used.

The Chicken Farmers of Canada told us they don't collect that data on a national basis, and there's no limit to what individual farmers can use to maintain the flock.

It occurred to us that, perhaps, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency might have those numbers, since the CFIA monitors antibiotic residues in meat, like poultry - but no, the CFIA did not have those numbers either.

Next stop: Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC), which includes the Canadian Integrated Program for Antimicrobial Resistance Surveillance (CIPARS). The CIPARS program monitors antimicrobial use in food animals and does testing similar to that conducted by Marketplace. Turns out that the CIPARS program had some stats for us:

"In 2007, the kilograms of antimicrobials in dosage form, distributed for use in animals was : 1,617,747.60 kg ."

Yup, 1.6 million kilograms of antibiotics distributed for use by animals.

Okay, now we were getting somewhere, except for one little detail: this number apparently includes food animals and companion animals like cats, dogs, and horses.

PHAC tells us that they get this information from the Canadian Animal Health Institute (CAHI), and only CAHI can tell us how much is livestock use and how much companion animals use.

But alas, when we call CAHI, they can't tell us how the statistics break down.

So while we did our best to find out the amount of antimicrobials used in livestock in Canada, we were only able to find out the figure for all animals, including pets.

Incidentally, the amount of oral antimicrobials sold at retail pharmacies in Canada in 2009 was 196,649 kilograms. That's what's sold for use by us humans.

http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2011/superbugsinthesupermarket/numbers.html


Wow Spermie must be having the time of his life.
This must be hilarious for him and must be the most laughing he's done in quite a while.
:rolleyes:
 
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