They shot a cow? Seriously WTF

[Riza]

This one goes out to our resident cowboy.... WTF

http://globalnews.ca/news/2355587/c...d-police-after-creating-havoc-on-local-roads/

Call me stupid, call me naive but I would think there are better ways of dealing with a roaming cow that is better than shooting it. I could be wrong but I always thought the average cow (not bull) was a relatively docile animal. A piece of rope or similar type leach you would be able to wrangle it and move it to the side of the road. But hey, I guess any reason to dig out the AR-15's to do some practice to prepare for the imminent terrorist attacks coming to North America is a good one.

I will leave this to Sybian to respond to, possibly give some behavioral characteristics of the average cow. My guess is dumb as a stump but easy to corral.

I'm pissed we didn't find out until after it was over. Could have got some target practice in ourselves and had a bbq afterwards celebrating our marksmanship skills lol :doh:

 

[Lo-ki]

DUMB ASSES........
That's all I have to say.....

 

[sybian]

The cow was probably more intelligent than the Abbotsford Police.
I live on Open Range, meaning land owners must fence to keep the Range Cows out of their property. It is a HUGE note of contention between cattle producers, and City dwellers that visit their recreational properties in the summer when our stock is on Range.
I even had a Lawyer show up here and tell me it's illegal for me too graze my cattle anyplace near a public road.....I let him go on for a bit, then said..."You know Mister Lawman...When you drove up here to bother me with your misguided bullshit, how many cattle gaurds did you drive over, on that public road?"
The Abbotsford Police are used to dealing with big city problems surrounded by commercial farms...They don't have much too do with Farmers. If they had any idea how much that cow was worth, and how much effort it is too raise one to market, they would have never shot it.
There is also the Right to Farm Legislation passed by the Provincial Government, to deal with people protesting the Farmland sitting right next to their Subdivided Properties..The Legislation includes the fact that, all animals and livestock including horses and cattle ,have the right of way on public roads.
Shooting that animal was uncalled for, although I do understand how a docile Dairy cow can be viewed as being as dangerous as a Brahma Bull by a "Big City" Cop that wanted to use his SWAT weapon.
Most cattle on the Sumas Prairie are very used to being handled by Humans, and there are numerous livestock hauling companies that would have responded to the situation....The ironic part is, that the farmer will probably not take anyone to court, take a low payment from the city, and carry on quietly, not wanting a problem...And everyone in Abbotsford that lives on their city lots can rest easy that a poor scared cow ,owned by a family that needs that animal, was handled with deadly force, and a quick thinking attitude by their Police Department, that will conduct a full investigation into how they hire dumbassed members, that destroy someone elses Provincially protected private property.....That would have followed a bucket of grain ,right into the back of a truck.

 

[badbadboy]

thanks for saying it sybian.

When I heard about this i wondered WTF is a cop doing shooting someone's property?

It's not like it was a diseased animal but part of someone's business.

 

[sybian]

Having said that....I did have one of my cows hit by a vehicle, and a local RCMP Member destroyed it for me, and I looked at it as doing me a favour, and doing the humane thing.
Due to the location, ICBC was forced to write me a cheque for my property...Although they started at half the market value.
I had the carcass weighed and recorded, and quoted the Right to Farm Legislation in my negotiations...They very convieniantly lost all the paperwork...Which of course I provided all the paperwork again, along with the Police Report.
I did find my RCMP Detatchment, very good to deal with.

 

[rexxx]

Having said that....I did have one of my cows hit by a vehicle, and a local RCMP Member destroyed it for me, and I looked at it as doing me a favour, and doing the humane thing.
Due to the location, ICBC was forced to write me a cheque for my property...Although they started at half the market value.
I had the carcass weighed and recorded, and quoted the Right to Farm Legislation in my negotiations...They very convieniantly lost all the paperwork...Which of course I provided all the paperwork again, along with the Police Report.
I did find my RCMP Detatchment, very good to deal with.

You sure are high and mighty for a guy who can't keep his livestock off the road I'm sure if someone had been killed in the vehicle that hit your cow you'd be on here complaining about them as well.

 

[sybian]

Nope I'd be charging ICBC for the loss of my livestock, you arrogant pencil neck.
The law is as follows.....You do not have the right of way...Horses and cattle do.
If you'd take the time to read the entire post....Assuming you have a good enough attention span...You'd see that I live on open range.
If you drive outside of Vancouver, and up in the Interior ..YOU have to watch for livestock, it can legally be on the road, with the exception of Highways.
If you kill or maim that animal by hitting it with your car, you owe the Rancher the cost of that animal...It's clearly stated in Legislation.
This is assuming that the driver of the car is more intelligent than the cow thats standing on the road...You see, your the one with the superior intellect..Or at least that's the theory.

 

[clu]

You sure are high and mighty for a guy who can't keep his livestock off the road I'm sure if someone had been killed in the vehicle that hit your cow you'd be on here complaining about them as well.

Huh? As Sybian wrote above (and I have no reason to doubt) livestock has the right of way. You're supposed to be able to travel at a speed that permits you adequate stopping distance be the obstacle a cow, a boulder, or a broken down semi. If the driver failed to see the obstacle it is the driver's fault, unless you're suggesting the cow was the one travelling at a high rate of speed?

 

[sybian]

Containment of livestock laws are different down past Hope, there you must keep them off public roads....I was talking about around here.
And Thank You Clu...I won't forget that.

 

[summerbreeze]

You sure are high and mighty for a guy who can't keep his livestock off the road I'm sure if someone had been killed in the vehicle that hit your cow you'd be on here complaining about them as well.

rural practice is different from urban, would not be so quick to get personal or critical if you haven't lived in a rural area or near one

animals wonder off sometimes and not often but occasionally wonder near roads or other peoples property

when I was growing up in a small town, it was not odd to have the dairy cows wonder into our back yard to graze, a call to the dairy to let them know they had some strays solved the problem but animals will wonder

sybian was just being informative regarding these issues, obviously he has some experience with this, not sure your criticism of his comments was warranted, don't see anything high and mighty about his post, he is just pointing out that animals and roads are mainly a problem when urban and rural cultures get mixed

rural people don't often hit cows, they tend to slow down when they drive in these areas

urban drivers going 60 mph or more are the more likely culprit

take a balance view dude, and chill a little......................

peace

 

[a_lee_n]

Well, at least your police didn't mange to kill the rancher like they did down here in Idaho earlier this month.
State Investigates Why Cops Killed Idaho Rancher Who Was Trying to Put Down a Bull

 

[apl16]

You see any animal that size. Anywhere. You slow down. No matter what the animal. Cows are docile but can be unpredictable. Running into an animal that big is pretty damn scary!

 

[sybian]

I had a 500 pound steer run into the side of my brand new Chev...I wasn't even in it.
He hit the rear passengers door, it's a crew cab.
He folded up and hit the ground, because he gave the truck a good ole' fashioned head butt..Got up , shook his head and walked away.
The damage was 4500.00, and try to explain that to the girl from the insurance agency, thats sitting at her desk, at an office on Howe street.
Her manager said that nobody believed through the pictures the repair shop sent them, that a calf could do that much damage, and that I must have hit a tree or something else.
He went on to say "With the exent of that kind of damage we believe you may have been driving the truck and hit a tree, although I am no expert on how to collide with livestock"...
I said "Well I am an expert on livestock, and that calf did all that damage, and I have witnesses to prove it"..I ended up paying about 1000 of the total, and came away from the experience knowing both not to park within a pen that calves are playing, and not to get third Party insurance.
I've lived up here a long while and have struck 6 or 7 deer that weigh around 150 pounds...They have a tendancy to run out in front of me....It's amazing how a little animal like that can do so much damage to a 7000 pound truck.

 

[hornygandalf]

I had a 500 pound steer run into the side of my brand new Chev...I wasn't even in it.
He hit the rear passengers door, it's a crew cab.
..... He went on to say "With the exent of that kind of damage we believe you may have been driving the truck and hit a tree, although I am no expert on how to collide with livestock"...

Huh? From your description of this, I don't get how you would drive sideways into a tree so that the damage is centered around the rear passenger door... or do they think the tree ran into you? And you said that you weren't even in it at the time. Sounds like they didn't think through their alternative explanation.

Reminds me a little when I had my first car nearly totalled (it was cheap), and there wasn't a driver in either car. Someone was parked on a hill and either didn't have their handbrake on or it failed in some way, and the car rolled down the hill and into mine. Got it repaired. In fact, that car got totalled a couple of times, and between the insurance money I received and what I sold it for, I came away ahead of the deal.

 

[sdw]

I had a 500 pound steer run into the side of my brand new Chev...I wasn't even in it.
He hit the rear passengers door, it's a crew cab.
He folded up and hit the ground, because he gave the truck a good ole' fashioned head butt..Got up , shook his head and walked away.
The damage was 4500.00, and try to explain that to the girl from the insurance agency, thats sitting at her desk, at an office on Howe street.
Her manager said that nobody believed through the pictures the repair shop sent them, that a calf could do that much damage, and that I must have hit a tree or something else.
He went on to say "With the exent of that kind of damage we believe you may have been driving the truck and hit a tree, although I am no expert on how to collide with livestock"...
I said "Well I am an expert on livestock, and that calf did all that damage, and I have witnesses to prove it"..I ended up paying about 1000 of the total, and came away from the experience knowing both not to park within a pen that calves are playing, and not to get third Party insurance.
I've lived up here a long while and have struck 6 or 7 deer that weigh around 150 pounds...They have a tendancy to run out in front of me....It's amazing how a little animal like that can do so much damage to a 7000 pound truck.

Third Party Insurance is what everyone had to deal with before ICBC.

 

[meaghanmcleodDELETED]

http://youtu.be/TzGCFbQgKsc

 

[princeofdarkness]

Nope I'd be charging ICBC for the loss of my livestock, you arrogant pencil neck.
The law is as follows.....You do not have the right of way...Horses and cattle do.
If you'd take the time to read the entire post....Assuming you have a good enough attention span...You'd see that I live on open range.
If you drive outside of Vancouver, and up in the Interior ..YOU have to watch for livestock, it can legally be on the road, with the exception of Highways.
If you kill or maim that animal by hitting it with your car, you owe the Rancher the cost of that animal...It's clearly stated in Legislation.
This is assuming that the driver of the car is more intelligent than the cow thats standing on the road...You see, your the one with the superior intellect..Or at least that's the theory.

Brilliant. I want to print this out on acid free paper, custom frame it and hang it alone on a large museum white wall.

 

[sybian]

You go right ahead my friend...And too everyone who came to my defence both here, and in private, sometimes it's nice to know a cowboy has so many good friends...........With my heartfelt respects..Thank You.

 

[paprides]

as someone whom has travelled by road over this continent-including mexico-it surprises me the road going public is unaware of open range land laws. If i recall (and at this age it's not easy to recall a lot of things) most of my travels through first nations lands involve cattle guards and road signs reminding motorists of open range. then there's the expanses of the great basin desert, such as Utah, Nevada, Idaho and such. So much open range.

I've been surprised by deer, elk, moose, coyote, rabbits and all sorts of wildlife. not yet seen domestic bovine jump out in front of me or leap in any direction with any speed. mostly, they graze and watch the closing speed with indifference. calm like. oh sure, the occasional male will eye ball me as i troll by a herd.

 

[Cock Throppled]

How dangerous is a wandering cow in comparison to discharging 24 rounds in an urbanized area?

This was a Sunday morning and a wandering cow, not downtown Manhattan and a crazed lion. A cow. Even panicked, cows don't think fast and probably could have been guided to an area where it could have been contained until somebody who knew what they were doing could have arrived.

They took 30 minutes to get to a point where they shot it. What were they expecting it to do that it hadn't done already? Pull out an Uzi?

Too bad the Abby police don't get ths trigger happy with all the gangsters in their town.