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maybe i'm just hormonal but this made me cry... just a little bit, I'm not a wussy.. but seriously, that's awful that they have experienced living like that
 

Miss*Bijou

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Nothing personally Miss B....but I refuse to watch video's like this and I agree with Hunkas comments. People on here, obviously dont know me personally, but I happen to be a huge fan of all bears and I find things like this beyond disturbing :mad:. They are amazing animals!

Whenever I watch global news and see anything relating to this....I quickly turn the channel! I can't handle or take it watching. Seriously.

I hear ya. I'm the same. I wasn't able to watch the first one. :eek: But the second one is really worth watching. So is the the third one. I was too chicken to watch the first one, I kinda thought it was just me but I'm slightly relieved I'm not the only one. But seriously, they're not "easy" to watch but the second and third (linked) have a lot of good info and they're not graphic. I can't handle the graphic stuff but ignoring it all together makes it too easy to brush aside. I force myself to watch the non graphic informative ones because bearing witness is the very least I can do for these poor animals who go 10, 20 even 30 freaking years being treated so horribly while their pain and misery is completely ignore. Seriously, I don't have the stomach to watch graphic stuff but if learning about it upsets me, out of respect for those who actually spent years enduring it, it's the very least I can do and it's really not much at that.
 

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I found those videos incredibly disturbing. However, it's great to raise awareness of the issue so that people can take action. I donate monthly to the SPCA and the Humane society. It's not a huge amount of money but every little bit counts. I encourage everyone to donate to whatever charities they have close to their heart. Just think about it, about one less SP visit ($250/hr) every two months will allow you to donate $125/month to your favourite charity. That's worth it right?
 
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China has no enforced animal protection law to speak of, which is why it is so easy to subject animals to such inhumane treatment. In addition, Chinese men still have those silly notions that bear bile, ivory powder, and other substances obtained from animals promote sexual endurance, health, and longevity. They obviously have never heard of eating right and exercising regularly.
 

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Also why when we see these sorts of video, 9/10 it's in China. Wtf is all that about?
That's cuz there's a giant hate-on for China so the media goes there to film stuff or set up protests. The west hates/fears the Chinese, so they target China for human rights and animal abuses. But the reality is that this shit is happening all over Asia from Thailand to Korea. Haven't you heard of eating monkey brains from a live monkey in Malaysia, where the monkey sits in a wooden box with a hole cut out of the top where the scalp shows through, and they use a little hammer to make a hole in the scalp and scoop it out with a spoon? The monkey's alive (at least in the beginning).

And then there's Africa. Holy shit don't get me started on there.
 

Miss*Bijou

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That's cuz there's a giant hate-on for China so the media goes there to film stuff or set up protests. The west hates/fears the Chinese, so they target China for human rights and animal abuses. But the reality is that this shit is happening all over Asia from Thailand to Korea. Haven't you heard of eating monkey brains from a live monkey in Malaysia, where the monkey sits in a wooden box with a hole cut out of the top where the scalp shows through, and they use a little hammer to make a hole in the scalp and scoop it out with a spoon? The monkey's alive (at least in the beginning).

And then there's Africa. Holy shit don't get me started on there.

No one is saying animal abuses are only happening in China. But what we're discussing here *is* happening mainly in China as well as Vietnam. There is abuse in Asia, in South America, in Africa and in North America too. There's some sick shit in Canada too, only right now we happen to be talking about something which happens in China. It isn't any more complicated than that.


So your disgusting description of what you claim happens in Malaysia isn't necessary.
Can you please f*** off?

I mean, really. Sick creep.
 

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LOL....like HHBL says, marcjacob is definitely not a freak, he actually got a point.
The law enforcement is there to some degree, but probably not as good over there,
But I appreciate marcjacob's point on propaganda, it probably happens more often and at profound levels than we think.
China is a fast growing country, it owns US debt, it's economy is globally influentials, I lived and worked in china for a few years, the change is overwhelming. As to animal rights and ethics, there may be some more work to do, but do remember, it is still a developing country, people may do this just for paying meals, not to find excuse for them, the reality sometimes is just ugly, you cannot expect people to treat animal the saMe way everywhere, the culture is different the circumstances are different, law enforcement is different.
E way as you do, they live their way, you live your way, accept the fact that
No one is saying animal abuses are only happening in China. But what we're discussing here *is* happening mainly in China as well as Vietnam. There is abuse in Asia, in South America, in Africa and in North America too. There's some sick shit in Canada too, only right now we happen to be talking about something which happens in China. It isn't any more complicated than that.


So your disgusting description of what you claim happens in Malaysia isn't necessary.
Can you please f*** off?

I mean, really. Sick creep.
 

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are they called "farmers"..as in, this is a "bear farm"?

I'd happily put the s..tbag asstards in a cage for 30 yrs....better
would be to drop them nr the Arctic Circle so they could get up
close to some Polar Bears.....only drawback is the bears might get
food poisoning eating these douchebag pusspimples
 

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It's not a claim and it does happen but ALSO in China. There are videos just like the ones you posted, showing this sh*t. I don't think this makes marc a "sick creep" for having an opinion, even though he is wrong if he doesn't think it's happening in China. Granted I think he was more concerned with it just being China. I won't post the links to the video's, as they are sickening.

Monkey brain is a controversial foodstuff, often attributed to the Chinese, but also found in certain other countries. The practice of eating monkey brains has led to over-hunting in Indonesia, especially due to the unfounded belief that eating the monkeys' brain can cure impotence.[1]

In Western popular culture, the consumption of monkey brains is repeatedly portrayed and debated, often in the context of portraying exotic cultures as exceptionally cruel, callous and strange.[2] It is often portrayed as follows:

the brain is eaten cooked
the brain is eaten raw (occasionally directly out of the dead monkey's skull)
the brain is eaten fresh, spooned out of the skull while the monkey is still alive

Hubba - I'm aware of how sickening it is and I don't think he's making it up. I remember being traumatized by seeing it on one of of those stupid, awful "faces of death" videos when I was a kid. I have no idea how common or uncommon it is, I just have no desire for those kinds of graphic descriptions.


Considering your refusal to watch the videos about bears in bile farming, especially ones that offer valuable information on what's being done and what can be done, I'm quite confused at your apparent willingness to watch videos or read about extreme and graphic horrors like that without any sort of practical solution. That topic, graphic descriptions and images are used for their shock value and nothing else. Otherwise it would have at least been followed by some ways to address this, or at least his wish that something could be done..


His description was graphic, totally unemotional and used only to make a point. Now tell what value there was to the graphic description? None. I realize you are just trying to confirm that it truly happens but I'm finding it a bit of a contradiction with your first post and your reason for declining to watch the bear videos.




Must be that time of the month. Aunt Flo visiting?

wow. What a witty comment. No, I mean, really... Super original too. :thumb:
 

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I never watched the videos of the idiots eating moneys alive....it's there if people wanna watch is all I'm saying. My point was he's entitled to his opinion just as you are. The fact you don't like his graphic description is understandable but he too had a point an expressed it. Personally, I don't think posting those video's is really helping the cause but I know you disagree.

There is no contradiction IMO.

His point was that there is abuse and cruelty in other parts of Asia and was made because he somehow felt that we're just picking on China or something, which is ridiculous. I don't need a graphic description of people eating live monkey brains in Malaysia to know that animals suffer various forms of horrific treatment in every single country on this planet. I do think it makes sense to focus on issues for which a solution or a way to help is offered. Otherwise, all it is IMO is exploiting the horrors these animals experience without offering anything positive to fight it. It also makes it overwhelming and incredibly depressing.


The first video - as I said I haven't watched because as soon as I see a warning for graphic images, I stop watching. But the 2nd and 3rd video are absolutely important to post/watch. The 2nd talks a lot about the work being done by that organization, the rescues of bears now living in their sanctuary and the progress they are having at changing laws and mentalities etc.


The 3rd video was about captive animals that are used for entertainment. Even only a few months ago, someone posted videos of bears riding motorcycles or playing hockey on skates here on perb as a funny thing. Obviously they were not aware of the unspeakable cruelty suffered by ALL of these wild animals used for entertainment.


Obviously most people are still not aware because circus' that use animals are still in business, their shows are still broadcast on tv, swim with dolphins programs are popular as are marine parks with dolphins, killer whales and other marine mammals shows, or see nothing wrong with sticking dolphins in a pool in the middle of a mall or hotel!..


People still think watching animals pacing back and forth or rocking continuously in concrete cages (a tiny fraction of the size of their natural ranges in the wild or living in completely different climate -- think Edmonton zoo + Elephant) at zoos and animal parks are good ways to educate kids about wild animals or contribute anything to their conservation in the wild. Tourists still rush to get elephant rides, give out money to street begging elephant acts, think it's somehow romantic to go for horse drawn carriage rides in the middle of busy urban areas and the list goes on and on.


How else is it possible to make people sensitive to those issues? I don't think most people do these things knowing how cruelly the animals are treated, I think the vast majority of people simply don't realize it. So how do you change that so that the next time they are presented with the opportunity to do one of these things, they know better and choose not to support it?


Most people can't read more than 2 paragraphs without complaining, that doesn't leave many options other than video to get information across. In order to have anyone decide to act or do anything about it, it sort of goes without saying that people need to be aware of it. Not just in passing but they need to learn more about it as well as what they can do. Without the use of unnecessarily overly graphic images or descriptions, people need to have some kind of emotional reaction in order for it to create any positive, useful response. That is what those videos do. Personally I can handle reading more than 2 paragraphs but I also find the videos offer an added component when well made.


You can disagree but perhaps you have a better way of getting the information to people, making them aware and moving them to action or at least reflection...? If so, please share - I'm definitely interested if it can help.
 

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I had trouble watching the 3rd video. For some reason my computer wouldn't play it properly (I do have a virus or 2, grrr). Anyways, I found it on you tube. So I'll embed it here for easier viewing.


I get so angry when I watch videos like this and the others above. I definitely cried. There is nothing wussy about crying over such horrible cruelty. This is the #1 reason, I don't eat meat, and I pay attention to where my dairy, clothes, seafood, and anything else I buy comes from.
 

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When you have some spare time.. these are all good and worth watching :thumb:



A Fall from freedom:
Whales and dolphins have captured the imagination of people all over the world. They have come to symbolize not only an alien form of intelligence, but a sense of ultimate freedom in their marine environment and a comradery among their herd mates that we envy and admire.

A FALL FROM FREEDOM is the first film to expose the long and sordid history of the captive whale and dolphin business; a history that continues to this day. The illegal capture and transport of killer whales, the thousands of dolphins that are killed in order to provide marine parks and aquariums with replacement animals, and the ability of these facilities to miseducate the public about these animals.



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Lolita the killer Whale: Slave to entertainment:
When Two Species Collide in the Icy Waters of Puget Sound a Storm of Epic Proportions is Unleashed. Man versus nature; in the summer of 1970 a barbaric hunt kills five orca whales and destroys the lives of countless others. Six young orcas are ripped away from their family, sold to marine parks, and shipped across the world to enter into a life of slavery. Three decades later only one survives. And she just so happens to be Miami’s biggest performer.

Since that fateful day in 1970, waves of controversy have pounded both shores of the US as freedom fighters from across the globe battle for her liberation. It is a story of beauty, grace, passion, respect, exploitation, greed, prejudice, and domination. Disturbing footage of marine mammal captures and alarming interviews with former "Flipper" trainer Ric O'Barry, marine mammal specialist Ken Balcomb, animal sociologist Howard Garrett, animal advocate and President of Ocean Drive Magazine Jerry Powers, and former whale hunter John Crowe.





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The Witness:
How does a construction contractor from a tough Brooklyn neighborhood become an impassioned animal advocate?

In the award-winning documentary THE WITNESS, Eddie Lama explains how he feared and avoided animals for most of his life, until the love of a kitten opened his heart, inspiring him to rescue abandoned animals and bring his message of compassion to the streets of New York. With humor and sincerity, Eddie tells the story of his remarkable change in consciousness.



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For The Love Of Elephants:
For the Love of Elephants is an intimate portrait of an amazing elephant-human bond that develops at an elephant rehabilitation centre near Nairobi, Kenya. The film takes viewers inside the emotional world of young, orphaned African elephants and their compassionate keepers, Edwin, Mishak, and Abdi. Never far from their charge are the centre’s founder, Dame Daphne Sheldrick, and her daughter Angela, who manages the Sheldrick Trust. Through hard work, love and dedication, this expert team create a unique human-elephant family, and nurture the orphaned elephants back to health.

Shot on location in Kenya, For the Love of Elephants closely observes the process by which an orphaned elephant named Sities survives the first days of recovery after arriving at the Trust. The audience discovers that this adorable three-month old elephant has recently lost her mother to poachers. Alone and fragile, Sities is flown to the nursery. The challenge is to keep the young elephant alive; the keepers know that the emotional trauma alone may be too much for Sities to endure.

The baby elephant makes it through the first crucial hours, but dehydration, disease, and social alienation from the herd are all still sad possibilities for Sities. She needs to find a “step” mother and form new bonds with the other elephants, not an easy thing to do in the complex social world of the herd. Mishak, known as the “elephant whisperer” is crucial to Sities’ integration at the Trust, and plays the role of mother, sibling and teacher whenever the elephant requires it.

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. This is the #1 reason, I don't eat meat, and I pay attention to where my dairy, clothes, seafood, and anything else I buy comes from.
I am a little confused by how they way circus animals are treated is the #1 reason you don't eat red or white meat?? If you had linked to the movie Food, Inc., that would be very understandable.

When it comes to seafood, do you only eat wild caught fish from sustainable sources?

But back to beef/pork/chicken, there are farms that raise their meat very ethically. I see that your incall is located near the Cambie bridge.....there is a Whole Foods at 8th and Cambie. I would suggest going in there and asking the guys behind the meat counter about the Global Animal Partnership. They can also tell you about all the individual farms they get their meat from, and occasionally will have the farmers/ranchers in the store.
 

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Watching these things makes me about as angry as I can get. The worst one I saw was the skinning alive of hundreds of animals on a fur farm.


Also why when we see these sorts of video, 9/10 it's in China. Wtf is all that about?
Chinese think animals will help with health and penis issues...
 
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