I've noticed a lot of thefts recently. Ive had friends ride their bikes, leave for one minute to grab something from a convenience store and someone steals their bike. Or a lot of theft from vehicles lately as well. Even if it's just a pair of sunglasses, thieves have made efforts to steal anything modest. Has anyone else noticed a lot of this petty crime in the city lately?
Theft / General Theft
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What you are quoting is thefts of opportunity. You leave your bike unlocked or ANYTHING in your car, you are simply inviting thieves. If you are noticing an increase in this type of Theft, I do not think it is because of more thieves, just more complacency from the victims. Smarten up and don't leave your shit unlocked and do not leave ANYTHING in your car. Some do not understand the definition of ANYTHING so for those people
an·y·thing [en-ee-thing] pronoun
1. any thing whatever; something, no matter what: Do you have anything for a toothache?
noun
2. a thing of any kind.
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an·y·thing [en-ee-thing] pronoun
1. any thing whatever; something, no matter what: Do you have anything for a toothache?
noun
2. a thing of any kind.
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If it's not locked down or stowed away on your person you might as well consider your stuff available to be taken.
Couple of recent examples -
I was in a Starbucks killing time before an appointment and was reading my notes on my iPad. Then I heard a scream and a woman chasing a guy outside the coffee shop. She had put her phone down on a table (presumably to 'save the table') while she picked up her drink and he grabbed it and ran away. It was gone in seconds.
I was sitting on a park bench with my dogs and saw a couple of guys peering into my car. Rather than go up them and confront them, I thought I would set off the alarm using my key fob to see if that would diffuse the situation for me. Yup, it worked. A car horn honking and two guys running away without smashing my window seemed to have worked perfectly.
Ironically, I had just cleaned my car out and there wasn't a thing within view that they would want to break a window over ~ I think?
These "little" thefts help destroy a decent way of life. The people who do this go in and out of prison. Prison is a short vacation for them. In order to neutralize these activities, we need to create prison farms where culprits might go and clean out. The trouble is that liberal minded folk would start yelling "police state". As a result, we all must suffer and the petty thieves are never rehabilitated. I used to work in the prison system in BC and witnessed it firsthand.
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westcoast555
You're kidding yourself if you think the guys doing that end up in prison. They may do a few days in pre-trial. They're on the street in a week and doing it again and there's probably a very small number of guys doing the same crimes over and over. Anything that can be traded for a rock or a fix.
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The post is actually laughable.
I worked retail in Gastown years ago. We had a street person walk in and ask what our insurance cost was for broken windows. I said $1000 deductible and he said give me $500 and we can call it a day. I said Go F**k yourself. Five minutes later the front window was smashed.
I called to cops and they arrested him and he was back in Gastown by dinner time. Great Justice System. Too many get a free pass on theft, destruction of private property etc etc because of their own Social Issues. We just don't have enough Jails to house all of these misfits, drug users etc. I am not lumping the Mentally Ill in this group BTW.
This was my point, Westcoast and Badboy: They do short stints in prison and then are let out again to continue the cycle. They are the low-level thieves and miscreants who actually cause citizens a variety of troubles. I am saying that there should be a special farm prison for them where they will be kept, if not re-habilitated, so at least the public is not so much injured by them so consistently.
Rethink
This was my point, Westcoast and Badboy: They do short stints in prison and then are let out again to continue the cycle. They are the low-level thieves and miscreants who actually cause citizens a variety of troubles. I am saying that there should be a special farm prison for them where they will be kept, if not re-habilitated, so at least the public is not so much injured by them so consistently.
This was my point, Westcoast and Badboy: They do short stints in prison and then are let out again to continue the cycle. They are the low-level thieves and miscreants who actually cause citizens a variety of troubles. I am saying that there should be a special farm prison for them where they will be kept, if not re-habilitated, so at least the public is not so much injured by them so consistently.
SHOPPING AT HOME DEPOT
A 'heads up' for those men who may be regular Home Depot customers. This one caught me by surprise.
Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends. Here's how the scam works:
Two seriously good-looking 20-21 year-old girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts.
It is impossible not to look.
When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' and instead ask you for a ride to McDonalds.
You agree and they get into the back seat. On the way, they start undressing. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.
I had my wallet stolen January 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, 17th, 20th, 24th & 29th. Also February 1st & 4th, Twice on the 8th, 16th, 23rd, 26th & 30th, three times last Monday and very likely again this upcoming weekend.
So tell your friends to be careful.
P.S. Wal-Mart has wallets on sale for 2.99 each. I found cheaper ones for $1.99 at K-Mart and bought them out. Also, you never will get to eat at McDonalds. I've already lost 11 pounds just running back and forth to Home Depot.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/windshield.asp#qcgVXXH8D8KBfvKm.99
A 'heads up' for those men who may be regular Home Depot customers. This one caught me by surprise.
Over the last month I became a victim of a clever scam while out shopping. Simply going out to get supplies has turned out to be quite traumatic. Don't be naive enough to think it couldn't happen to you or your friends. Here's how the scam works:
Two seriously good-looking 20-21 year-old girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts.
It is impossible not to look.
When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say 'No' and instead ask you for a ride to McDonalds.
You agree and they get into the back seat. On the way, they start undressing. Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts crawling all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.
I had my wallet stolen January 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the 15th, 17th, 20th, 24th & 29th. Also February 1st & 4th, Twice on the 8th, 16th, 23rd, 26th & 30th, three times last Monday and very likely again this upcoming weekend.
So tell your friends to be careful.
P.S. Wal-Mart has wallets on sale for 2.99 each. I found cheaper ones for $1.99 at K-Mart and bought them out. Also, you never will get to eat at McDonalds. I've already lost 11 pounds just running back and forth to Home Depot.
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/humor/jokes/windshield.asp#qcgVXXH8D8KBfvKm.99
ahahaha...
Ditto...Summer, downtown...enough said.
Ditto...Summer, downtown...enough said.
There's been a lot of very attractive ladies wearing very little clothing who are stealing my heart.
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ahahaha...
Ditto...Summer, downtown
:clap2::clap2::clap2:...enough said.
Ditto...Summer, downtown
:clap2::clap2::clap2:...enough said.There's been a lot of very attractive ladies wearing very little clothing who are stealing my heart.
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So what do you propose?
Buy Saskatchewan and turn it into a Prison Colony to house all the petty thieves, destructive personal property people?
If I recall correctly, this is what the British did with Australia. People were sent to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread because they were starving.
I don't think you have a clue about the depth of the problem and "putting them on a farm" for rehabilitation is certainly an out there idea.
So what do you propose? Nothing, I see. Allow these miscreants to invade the lives of the Canadian public and stealing their goods and identifications? Anyone who has had these things happen knows how much havoc it has caused in their respective lives. Doing nothing (and, of course, I am not thinking of the Dickensesque situation of stealing a loaf of bread) is not a solution and your characterization of my perspective is over the top and worthless but politically correct, of course.
Buy Saskatchewan and turn it into a Prison Colony to house all the petty thieves, destructive personal property people?
If I recall correctly, this is what the British did with Australia. People were sent to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread because they were starving.
I don't think you have a clue about the depth of the problem and "putting them on a farm" for rehabilitation is certainly an out there idea.[/QUOTE]
Buy Saskatchewan and turn it into a Prison Colony to house all the petty thieves, destructive personal property people?
If I recall correctly, this is what the British did with Australia. People were sent to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread because they were starving.
I don't think you have a clue about the depth of the problem and "putting them on a farm" for rehabilitation is certainly an out there idea.[/QUOTE]
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juniper do some reading about the present state of the Canadian Penal System. You may not appreciate the reality I proposed to you but it is a fact that our present prison system is overloaded. Getting a huge farm to house people who are convicted of theft under $1000 will generate one whopping huge tax bill on all of us. Are you taxed to death yet? I sure am. Every level of government has their hand out and they take home more than I do these days.
Do I detest thieves? YES
Do I do anything about it? What a joke. I've reported theft to various LEO in the lower mainland and never got a response. I witnessed theft in a small store and called the 911 and was told the officer would be there in 45 - 90 Minutes. I was asked to stay at the store til they arrived. I went out, got the thieves licence plate number and called them back. Stolen plate too.
Do I detest thieves? YES
Do I do anything about it? What a joke. I've reported theft to various LEO in the lower mainland and never got a response. I witnessed theft in a small store and called the 911 and was told the officer would be there in 45 - 90 Minutes. I was asked to stay at the store til they arrived. I went out, got the thieves licence plate number and called them back. Stolen plate too.
As I already wrote, I worked in prison establishments for about one decade in my professional career. I am, of course, aware of the overcrowding and the holding cell mentality for smalltime criminals. Would a large facility like the one I proposed be costly? Yes. But I think the advantages of some rehabilitation=fewer criminals and fewer calls on the police plus a better quality of life for most Canadians would outweigh the disadvantages. That's my perspective. What we do now with the revolving door method certainly isn't improving our general quality of life and and is probably detrimental. A few additional notes: Most of the petty thefts and annoyances are driven not by hunger but by drugs and drug addiction. Second, a former mayor of New York City (was it Giuliani?) actually helped clean up the streets to a significant degree by clamping down on petty crimes such as littering, not obeying traffic signals, double parking and graffiti. While you might scoff, the intent was to assist New Yorkers in respecting their city and acknowledging that large crimes may percolate upwards from small ones. Would you say that New York's solution could be relevant to assisting Vancouver's problems?
Petty Theft Petty Crime
As I already wrote, I worked in prison establishments for about one decade in my professional career. I am, of course, aware of the overcrowding and the holding cell mentality for smalltime criminals. Would a large facility like the one I proposed be costly? Yes. But I think the advantages of some rehabilitation=fewer criminals and fewer calls on the police plus a better quality of life for most Canadians would outweigh the disadvantages. That's my perspective. What we do now with the revolving door method certainly isn't improving our general quality of life and and is probably detrimental. A few additional notes: Most of the petty thefts and annoyances are driven not by hunger but by drugs and drug addiction. Second, a former mayor of New York City (was it Giuliani?) actually helped clean up the streets to a significant degree by clamping down on petty crimes such as littering, not obeying traffic signals, double parking and graffiti. While you might scoff, the intent was to assist New Yorkers in respecting their city and acknowledging that large crimes may percolate upwards from small ones. Would you say that New York's solution could be relevant to assisting Vancouver's problems?
As I already wrote, I worked in prison establishments for about one decade in my professional career. I am, of course, aware of the overcrowding and the holding cell mentality for smalltime criminals. Would a large facility like the one I proposed be costly? Yes. But I think the advantages of some rehabilitation=fewer criminals and fewer calls on the police plus a better quality of life for most Canadians would outweigh the disadvantages. That's my perspective. What we do now with the revolving door method certainly isn't improving our general quality of life and and is probably detrimental. A few additional notes: Most of the petty thefts and annoyances are driven not by hunger but by drugs and drug addiction. Second, a former mayor of New York City (was it Giuliani?) actually helped clean up the streets to a significant degree by clamping down on petty crimes such as littering, not obeying traffic signals, double parking and graffiti. While you might scoff, the intent was to assist New Yorkers in respecting their city and acknowledging that large crimes may percolate upwards from small ones. Would you say that New York's solution could be relevant to assisting Vancouver's problems?
Only thing I am scoffing at is your idea that a huge farm to house these thieves etc is the way to go.
Giuliani's success was widely disputed mainly because the US National trend at the time was a decreased crime rate and also the US Federal Gov't at the time was pumping more money into Law Enforcement on a National basis. Giuliani was widely described by all minorities as being a racist who basically ran them out of Dodge. The only thing they were in agreement on was Giuliani was a racist against all races.
How would that play out in a Politically Correct Society like what we have in Vancouver? :doh:
Recall that a VPD car took some widely known drug dealers to Stanley Park to give them rough justice to run them out of town? What happened there? Drug Dealers were back in action and the Cops got fired. Problem is our society likes to give people a "feel good" attitude that we are doing our best to rehabilitate these types all while these types are going into our backyards and stealing our bicycles and barbecues.
VPD have also been caught driving repeat offender street people outside of Vancouver to North Vancouver and Richmond. Basically dumping them off in other jurisdictions. Make the problem some one else's.
I am dead set against any farm or facility to house these types. Not on my dime, ever. It's just another excuse to load up the Government payroll with more jail keepers.
I would be interested to know where most of these types come from originally. I know there was a program a few years back where we found it less expensive to fly the repeat offenders back to their home province. Put them on a bus and ship them back to their home province and make them that province's problem not ours.
We can't really send people to another province as Canada is one country and people have the right to reside wherever they wish. On the other hand, we have the right to demand that they follow our laws. Thank you for the update on Rudolph Giulani and his activities in New York while mayor. It appears that he did significantly reduce crime in the city while (literally) cleaning it up. Are none of his methods applicable? As to educational prison farms for habitual low level criminals, it might be less expensive than what we pay for in terms of policing as a result of their continual criminal activity. Do you have any suggestions whatsoever?
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They were sending convicted offenders back that were 3x losers. Who says that can't be done if they also offended in their home province?
Do you really think Mayor Moonbeam would actually get tough on street crime heading into an election? VPD need to have support of council before they would ever get tough on petty thieves etc.
These socialists love to cosey up to the downtrodden to make themselves feel better and garner the socialist vote in Vancouver.
Do you really think Mayor Moonbeam would actually get tough on street crime heading into an election? VPD need to have support of council before they would ever get tough on petty thieves etc.
These socialists love to cosey up to the downtrodden to make themselves feel better and garner the socialist vote in Vancouver.
1 ) You can send people back to their Province of origin.....VPD had the con air thing going. Lots of people found in BC on non-returnable warrants. So VPD returned them at their expense. Seemed to work.....not sure if the funding ran out or it became old hat and isn't being reported on anymore.
2 ) I'd say going back to prison farms is exactly the way to go. BBB, I don't know if you remember the Oakalla Prison Farm, it's mostly fancy homes and condos nowadays. That farm produced enough food for Oakalla, plus most of the other Provincial prisons. They had some prize Clydes that were handed over to Fort Langley. They had cattle that usually placed in the top three at the PNE, hogs, chickens.....you name it. They cranked out all the licence plates for BC, NWT, Yukon........they made money with them, now it costs us. They made all the clothing for the Provincial inmates, and the boots and shoes. In fact I ran into a guy a couple years ago when I took some boots in to be repaired. Former Oakalla inmate....took what he learned in prison and made a living out of it. Yup......it might cost you a dime to go back to the Prison farm system, but it'll save you a quarter in the long run......provided you don't let the unions fuck it up, like they did with Oakalla. "Should be union labour making licence plates, not convicts."
2 ) I'd say going back to prison farms is exactly the way to go. BBB, I don't know if you remember the Oakalla Prison Farm, it's mostly fancy homes and condos nowadays. That farm produced enough food for Oakalla, plus most of the other Provincial prisons. They had some prize Clydes that were handed over to Fort Langley. They had cattle that usually placed in the top three at the PNE, hogs, chickens.....you name it. They cranked out all the licence plates for BC, NWT, Yukon........they made money with them, now it costs us. They made all the clothing for the Provincial inmates, and the boots and shoes. In fact I ran into a guy a couple years ago when I took some boots in to be repaired. Former Oakalla inmate....took what he learned in prison and made a living out of it. Yup......it might cost you a dime to go back to the Prison farm system, but it'll save you a quarter in the long run......provided you don't let the unions fuck it up, like they did with Oakalla. "Should be union labour making licence plates, not convicts."
