"The Stripper Index" Sex Work & The Economy

[OF_manager]

I disagree that escorting is on the decline when it comes to what is popular in SW. There are many reasons why some like to have online interactions with SWers, and others in person interactions. Prostitution is the oldest of all SW professions, and it has been for a lot of good reasons. I mean this forum/review board (and others like it) would otherwise not exist & be as active as it is.

It is absolutely not in decline. I am inclined to believe that we are on the cusp of saturation. As such, deflation will ensue as demand cannot match the excess supply and pricing will plateau or fall.

Perhaps the number of escorts has not decreased. I have only been seeing escorts for about 6-7 years, and it seems to me that there are far fewer escorts now than before COVID.
I believe the number of escorts is decreasing because many girls are choosing to do sugar dating instead. Sugar dating is similar to escorting in that both involve having sex for money, but they differ greatly in how they advertise, find clients, screen them, and who can take part. And then there is other forms of sex work gaining popularity as well. If the escorting industry was doing well, wouldn't there be lots of young women joining it all the time? It's rare to come across escorts who are under the age of 25.

If there were too many escorts in the market, we would notice a drop in the prices that women charge.

 

[Ray]

If there were too many escorts in the market, we would notice a drop in the prices that women charge.

Not necessarily. A lot of women will escort if they feel they can get a certain price. Below that, they may feel it's not worth it.

 

[rizzgod]

If there were too many escorts in the market, we would notice a drop in the prices that women charge.

Not necessarily. A lot of women will escort if they feel they can get a certain price. Below that, they may feel it's not worth it.

I think we also see a lot of providers in the higher rate brackets who aren't necessarily getting many clients, but their rates are high enough that even if they only have one client a week, that still amounts to a pretty decent income, especially if it's a secondary income/side hustle.

I agree with @OF_manager that being a sugar baby is a more popular choice for girls nowadays, if they are able to pull it off and do it successfully.

 

[$Mansion]

I have seen many providers who have been doing this many years and much longer than myself talk about how saturated the industry is right now, so I think this may be true.

I think the lady is right, there are more and more available weekly, the market is going thru a saturation, and will balance itself out soon,
in person SW will always have a place in the world and will always flourish, though rates and packages/offerings may change.

Is it saturated? I guess it depends on where you are. In downtown Vancouver, there are not many options for independent providers, and even the agencies only have a couple girls working each day.

 

[Crookedmember]

I have seen many providers who have been doing this many years and much longer than myself talk about how saturated the industry is right now, so I think this may be true.

Ten years ago, we weren't drowning in e-deposit scams, and I think this is sucking tons of money out of the industry. If a guy is scammed out of $200, that's $200 he doesn't have to spend on a legit SP.

 

[kelcaine]

Perhaps the number of escorts has not decreased. I have only been seeing escorts for about 6-7 years, and it seems to me that there are far fewer escorts now than before COVID.
I believe the number of escorts is decreasing because many girls are choosing to do sugar dating instead. Sugar dating is similar to escorting in that both involve having sex for money, but they differ greatly in how they advertise, find clients, screen them, and who can take part. And then there is other forms of sex work gaining popularity as well. If the escorting industry was doing well, wouldn't there be lots of young women joining it all the time? It's rare to come across escorts who are under the age of 25.

If there were too many escorts in the market, we would notice a drop in the prices that women charge.

I disagree that more women are turning to sugaring over escorting, it’s just another option. Most SD’s do not want their SB’s seeing other SD’s or escorting too, and many are given allowances or making far less money than they would do escorting. I’ve had men offer me an allowance, to quit escorting and just see them where I would be making far far far less than I would escorting. Many escorts would not leave that part of the industry for sugaring for that as well as other reasons. Sugaring does seem to mostly attract younger women, college students and those who do not want to escort. I have seen SB’s who even try to insist they aren’t doing SW, maybe they don’t want the stigmas that come with SW?

So for varying reasons I think some escorts would not do sugaring and SB’s would not do escorting. There’s so many choices for ways to be in SW, and it’s good to have these choices… but there’s many who would rather see an escort than a SB too. I had a client of mine come to me who had a SB and complained about the drama she was causing him, posting about him online etc, where he wasn’t getting much sex… and came to see me knowing he would have a fun time, with zero drama too.

I also would not say there’s too many escorts out there, but from my colleagues who have done this longer than came there’s been talk about the industry being more saturated now… and there’s always going to be varying rates on our part for varying reasons too.

 

[bruce.pepper]

Is it saturated? I guess it depends on where you are. In downtown Vancouver, there are not many options for independent providers, and even the agencies only have a couple girls working each day.

If you're looking to book for the same day, it's tough to snag an independent provider downtown without some luck. Your best bet might be to go through agencies, but their top girls get booked up quickly.

Downtown Vancouver is a ghost town for independent escorts.

 

[bruce.pepper]

but there’s many who would rather see an escort than a SB too.

I think sugar babies are hotter and more put-together, but escorts are just more convenient to deal with. I like both.
A lot of dudes are too unattractive or broke to score sugar babies.

 

[kelcaine]

This post is very disconnected from the reality of sugar dating and has a lot of wrong information.

Firstly, it is a fact that sugar dating is more popular than escorting, especially among younger women. There may be some blurred lines and overlap between the two, but sugaring is more popular for obvious reasons.
Most sugar daddies don't mind if their sugar baby has other sugar daddies, so thats false information.

Most men wouldn't bother turning an escort into their sugar baby, as they could simply hire her as an escort. So thats true.
Most escorts don't have as much success as sugar babies because in sugaring, they are competing with way more girls, who are hotter and younger.
The most successful sugar babies earn a lot more money than the most successful escorts.

Sugaring is also much safer and carries less risk of harming your reputation in the long run compared to escorting.

The truth is, there are many girls who could be successful escorts but not successful sugar babies. The opposite is not true.

Are we really going to pretend that escorts don't create drama and post about guys online as well?

No offence, but you aren't the exactly the demographic and type of woman who would be extremely successful as a sugar baby.

No it’s not, and there’s a lot of online articles on this, plus I have talked to those who have done sugaring and heard their stories. I also tried sugaring when I was younger, well before being an escort.

Most SB’s do not make what escorts make. Most allowances are $2000-$3000 monthly. Most SD’s do not want to share their SB, sugaring can be more dangerous with men who prey on young women.

Sugaring is not safer, not at all.

This post is very disconnected from the reality of sugar dating and has a lot of wrong information.

Firstly, it is a fact that sugar dating is more popular than escorting, especially among younger women. There may be some blurred lines and overlap between the two, but sugaring is more popular for obvious reasons.
Most sugar daddies don't mind if their sugar baby has other sugar daddies, so thats false information.

Most men wouldn't bother turning an escort into their sugar baby, as they could simply hire her as an escort. So thats true.
Most escorts don't have as much success as sugar babies because in sugaring, they are competing with way more girls, who are hotter and younger.
The most successful sugar babies earn a lot more money than the most successful escorts.

Sugaring is also much safer and carries less risk of harming your reputation in the long run compared to escorting.

The truth is, there are many girls who could be successful escorts but not successful sugar babies. The opposite is not true.

Are we really going to pretend that escorts don't create drama and post about guys online as well?

No offence, but you aren't the exactly the demographic and type of woman who would be extremely successful as a sugar baby.

I won’t go into every single point that you have made here, but I’m going to say that you are wrong. I used to sugar when I was younger. I know many escorts who have tried sugaring, and have talked to them. Most don’t have positive things to say.

Sugaring is can be more dangerous than escorting, for various reasons, and some of them are outlined in this article: https://www.tyla.com/sex-and-relationships/escort-warns-sugar-daddy-websites-cost-of-living-20221118

To say that most escorts don’t have the same success as sugaring is completely false as well. There’s many escorts out there that makes very good six figure salaries, and making much more than SB’s. There’s going to be some successful people out there that are escorts, and some that are not, same for sugaring.

Youth doesn’t equate to being more desirable or more successful in this industry either.

Also I don’t care if you don’t think I would be the right demographic of being a SB. I have done it, and met mostly older men who took advantage of a younger me who didn’t know any better where I could have made more money escorting instead, and where I was put into dangerous situations because I was younger and more naive. I don’t want to be an SB. I’m quite happy being an escort, and love my job, and I’m super thankful for the many absolutely lovely gentlemen who are my clients.

 

[vitaminD]

Youth doesn’t equate to being more desirable or more successful in this industry either.

Many scholarly studies would strongly disagree with that statement 😂
The vast majority of men would also disagree 😂
The cope is strong 😂

 

[kelcaine]

Many scholarly studies would strongly disagree with that statement 😂
The vast majority of men would also disagree 😂
The cope is strong 😂

Tell that to the many women above 30 years old in the SW industry who are extremely desired and successful. ✌

 

[Steve_French]

I reckon line ups outside food banks would be a better indication of how bad things are.

 

[vitaminD]

Tell that to the many women above 30 years old in the SW industry who are extremely desired and successful. ✌

name one 😂

 

[chebub]

name one 😂

Must you be so tediously adolescent.

 

[Ray]

This thread started off discussing an interesting subject, but seems to have regressed into personal attacks. There's no need for this.

 

[vitaminD]

This thread started off discussing an interesting subject, but seems to have regressed into personal attacks. There's no need for this.

I think people are merely disagreeing and stating their point of view.
Sorry you are interpreting it as personal attacks.

 

[80watts]

I reckon line ups outside food banks would be a better indication of how bad things are.

Not just line up outside of food banks, but high interest rates, a high debt ratio, rising price of food, not just the rise in inflation. The lack of johns/hobbyists seeing fewer escorts, tell of an decrease in spending money overall. It indicates the lack of money at the middle class level. Due to the long low interest rates, people were putting off debt payment longer, and now it catches up with them. As soon as money comes in, its going out to pay bills. The steep rise in basic needs over the last 3 years with out the increase of income.
Should be seeing less fast food eating, coffee shop stops etc.
https://cba.ca/mortgages-in-arrears
https://financialpost.com/real-estate/mortgages/mortgage-defaults-foreclosures-rising
No I think the line up at food banks indicate it very well, while the stripper index is a non-seen not public indication of whether the economy is failing for the middle class.
The stripper index means someone has to go out and see it, indicating they would be paying money out for beers, lap dances when they go out.