The Real Tragedy is That There Will be More of the Same if We Get Rid of the Registry

[Fudd]

The real tragedy of these situations is that there will be more of the same if those stupid facist conservatives get rid of the gun registry.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/12/14/vancouver-mother-shot_n_1149721.html

Vancouver Mother Shot Dead, Child In Back Seat

VANCOUVER - A woman was shot dead while sitting in a car with a toddler in the back seat — the second shooting in Vancouver in less than 24 hours.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/gunman-in-alberta-highway-shooting-had-three-loaded-weapons-police-say/article2275103/

Gunman in Alberta highway shooting had three loaded weapons, police say

Derek Jensen was armed with a pistol and two long guns when he attacked his ex-partner and three others on a remote Alberta highway, police said in the first official account of the murder-suicide.

 

[mercyshooter]

put the death penalty in and see how it goes. the government cannot control its people. sad.

 

[Flanders]

put the death penalty in and see how it goes. the government cannot control its people. sad.

Are you suggesting that the role of government is to "control it's people"? Not you, of course... "Other" people, right?

No wonder you are so miserable here. Lucky for you though, there are plenty of places in the world where the governments do exert a LOT more control on the individual than in Canada. You should look into them....

 

[Dgodus]

Didn't Hitler institute a gun registry law sometime in the mid/late thirties. Thought I read a out that somewhere. Worked out great didn't it!

 

[kenchorney]

Is is just me, or does Fudd not get the point of much of anything?

Nope not just you. Fudd needs to move to Cuba so he can live a happy leftist controlled little life.

 

[sbill]

A reasonably well thought-out article for 'the other side'
http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/City+folk+never+fathomed+insulting+registry/5869622/story.html

Drilling deeper, more striking numbers pop up: The reason for the decline in gun homicides in Canada between 1975 and 2006, according to Statistics Canada, was almost entirely attributable to a continuing decline in the rate of violence involving rifles and shotguns - which began in the 1970s. To suggest the registry as a causal factor is nonsense, since it didn't come into force until Jan 1, 2003.

It turns out that in Canada today, one is almost three times more likely to be murdered with a knife than with a gun. Of the killings that do involve firearms, most involve handguns - about two-thirds. We know, from extensive reporting on the sources of illegal handguns, that between 60 per cent and 70 per cent of these weapons are smuggled across the Canada-U.S. border, mostly at the Ambassador Bridge in Windsor-Detroit. The remainder are thieved from private handgun collections.

The conclusion: Farmers and landowners, with their gopher guns and deer rifles, are not the source of this problem, such as it is. Why should they bear the brunt of the government's supposed solution, which doesn't work? The official line from the Canadian Association of Police Chiefs is that it works, but that doesn't bear scrutiny: No front-line cop goes into a home without assuming there may be weapons inside, registered or not.

Read more: http://www.thestarphoenix.com/news/...ing+registry/5869622/story.html#ixzz1gufok343

 

[westcoast555]

The real tragedy of these situations is that there will be more of the same if those stupid facist conservatives get rid of the gun registry.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/12/14/vancouver-mother-shot_n_1149721.html

Vancouver Mother Shot Dead, Child In Back Seat

VANCOUVER - A woman was shot dead while sitting in a car with a toddler in the back seat — the second shooting in Vancouver in less than 24 hours.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/gunman-in-alberta-highway-shooting-had-three-loaded-weapons-police-say/article2275103/

Gunman in Alberta highway shooting had three loaded weapons, police say

Derek Jensen was armed with a pistol and two long guns when he attacked his ex-partner and three others on a remote Alberta highway, police said in the first official account of the murder-suicide.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that criminal syndicates will comply with gun registry laws? You must be insane.

Also, they've had years to get the registry to work.. they spend 2 Billion dollars and it's still not completed. Waste of time.

I actually favour control on guns but wasteful, ineffective bureaucracy.. not so much

 

[Devo]

Derek Jensen had three REGISTERED weapons in his vehicle. Even the 9mm H&K Pistol was REGISTERED and he had a valid PAL. He still used them to kill his ex-girlfriend, wound a completely innocent woman and kill two young men.

He also had a completely REGISTERED vehicle that he used to ram the vehicle his four victims were in. Forcing it off of the road.

Maybe if the police had arrested him at the bar earlier that evening when he attacked his girlfriend at a birthday party, Derek Jensen wouldn't have been able to kill people. But, the RCMP doesn't have TIME to arrest people for assaulting their girlfriends. After all, it's OK for RCMP officers to rape and threaten women - so why wouldn't it not be OK for another man to demonstrate how "Manly" he is? If the RCMP really used the registry, it would have popped up when the assault at the Bar was reported that Derek Jensen has a PAL and four REGISTERED weapons and they would have gone looking for him.

The woman executed on the street in Vancouver was a planned takeout. Since the gangs don't register their illegal firearms, no registration system was going to stop them killing her. If you followed the media coverage and looked at the pictures, you'd know that heavy caliber automatic weapons were used.

Looks like Alinburnaby made Fudd his bitch on this one.

 

[uncleg]

The real tragedy of these situations is that there will be more of the same if those stupid facist conservatives get rid of the gun registry.


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/12/14/vancouver-mother-shot_n_1149721.html

Vancouver Mother Shot Dead, Child In Back Seat

VANCOUVER - A woman was shot dead while sitting in a car with a toddler in the back seat — the second shooting in Vancouver in less than 24 hours.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/gunman-in-alberta-highway-shooting-had-three-loaded-weapons-police-say/article2275103/

Gunman in Alberta highway shooting had three loaded weapons, police say

Derek Jensen was armed with a pistol and two long guns when he attacked his ex-partner and three others on a remote Alberta highway, police said in the first official account of the murder-suicide.

Jensen's weapons were registered, which didn't prevent him from committing murder, so please explain how eliminating the gun registry will cause more of these incidents. The Vancouver mom was a targeted hit, explain how a gun registry would have prevented that, in particular in light of the ease with which illegal weapons can be obtained.

put the death penalty in and see how it goes. the government cannot control its people. sad.

So, you would rather live in a society that exercises complete control over it's people, which is what it would have to do in order to have prevented this from happening, an Orwellian Society, the closest to which exists is in China, yet you continue to live in Canada, or do you ? Sounds like you and Fudd are meant for each other. Maybe he should move in with you and you can form your own mutual admiration society.

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Also, all legal restricted & prohibited firearms (pistols, short guns, machine-guns, etc.) will still be registered in that separate registry. No one is talking about eliminating those.

For LE, with the long-gun registry gone, it is still simple: Check to see if anyone at that address has a PAL (or the possession only license). Check to see if they have any registered restricted or prohibited weapons. If so, assume a high level of confidence that there is at least one firearm on site. If not, same as today & last year, do not assume that there is no illegal firearm on site.

Anyone in possession of a Prohibited weapon will not have it in any registry whatsover.
Prohibited weapons are just that, prohibited.

You have a machine gun in your house (fully automatic) which comes under the prohibited classification
is gonna get that firearm confiscated immediately with you spending
time in jail most likely. No one is allowed to be in posession of a prohibited weapon.




...................QM'r

 

[storm rider]

Looks like Alinburnaby made Fudd his bitch on this one.

BOOYAAA

I am of the opinion that Fudd's views on a great many things are totally hairbrained to say the least.All the weapons used/involved in the recent highway killing in Claresholm were REGISTERED and LEGAL....if the guy had been stopped by the RCMP and a search happened and the pistol was found he would have been in trouble with the RCMP for not advising them of transporting it.

Personally I think the gun registry is and soon to be "was" a total waste of tax payers money...original cost was supposed to be 2 million....yeah well 2 BILLION later and society is no safer...we have just wasted 2 BILLION.I do own a rifle and I registered it when I bought it and I would have done so if there were no registry as that is what an urban-dwelling responsible firearm owner would do...same goes for attaining and replacing a valid PAL.

SR

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

My bad, I should have stated, "civilian in my comment"

Yes agreed you can be in possession of those types being that they are deactivated.
I was commenting on the types of prohibited weapons that are still in working order.

One other type is a prohibited weapon that has been made semiauto from fully auto.

IE, AK47 semiauto, sks semiauto and so on. In full auto a civilian can not legally own one.
These the semiauto firemarms you can be in possession of legally that is if they are registered.




......................QM'r

 

[bobby.clark]

The registry didn't help her, it is still in effect.

 

[mercyshooter]

Are you suggesting that the role of government is to "control it's people"? Not you, of course... "Other" people, right?

No wonder you are so miserable here. Lucky for you though, there are plenty of places in the world where the governments do exert a LOT more control on the individual than in Canada. You should look into them....

So, you would rather live in a society that exercises complete control over it's people, which is what it would have to do in order to have prevented this from happening, an Orwellian Society, the closest to which exists is in China, yet you continue to live in Canada, or do you ? Sounds like you and Fudd are meant for each other. Maybe he should move in with you and you can form your own mutual admiration society.

The judge that declares the drunk driving laws here in BC are unconstitutional! Further reading shows that he wants the death penalty to be implemented.
I have white friends agree with the death penalty. The life imprisonment with parole is a total bullshit and unfair to the dead that is illegally killed/murdered.
The reason that you are afraid of the "control it's people" principle is that you have something to hide. I think you are actually doing illegal stuff everyday. If you have nothing to hide, then why not let them kinda control/monitor/supervise/help you in a sense? So are you good samaritans or bad samaritans?

 

[bcneil]

The reason that you are afraid of the "control it's people" principle is that you have something to hide. I think you are actually doing illegal stuff everyday. If you have nothing to hide, then why not let them kinda control/monitor/supervise/help you

LMFAO, yeah thats why most Canadians are against the death penalty.....cause we are all a bunch of secret murderers.

Can I use your quote as my signature, its rare to find something so stupid.

 

[mercyshooter]

Review the life of Winston Smith to see how well the system of government you advocate brings joy & happiness to the lives of its citizens. The Life of Winston Smith by O. George

Well, if you never think of something and that something really exists and happens right before your very eyes, you won't be able to accept it. Therefore, it won't bring joy or happiness. Now, many people, especially judges start knowing that it has to exist. Do you think the future will be better with harsher punishments like the death penalty in a sense? We are talking about the future, by the way.

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Ok people chill out. The fact remains regardless of registry or not.
People are allowed to harbour firearms in this country and many others.

Where can you protect your citizens in the case of a person who has long guns
or even legally owned restricted weapons such as any semi automatic handgun
when the owner decides to loose his marbles and go murder someone with them?

There's nothing out there that can protect society because it unfortunately
happens. Sad of course but yet so true.

The point is we here in Canada have one of the most stringent laws about firearm
ownership and the red tape we have to go through to obtain restricted firearms.

Mostly and I don't know the percentage but it's damn high, these people
are all law abiding and contributing citizens to the better of our country and wouldn't be
able to possess them if they were not.

The minor percentage that loose it and decide to kill their exwife or what have you
is just something that cannot be controlled. You know the old saying...........

SHIT HAPPENS much to the shigrin especially of those who hate firearms
and it gets their moral dander up.

Suck it up.

I don't like seeing anybody killed because some drunken fuckhead who legally owns
restricted or non restricted firearms decides to go loose
his marbles and take out his favoutite piece and kills somebody with it.
Terrible scenerio indeed, but it does happen...

What are we to do in this instance?
Bring on a hitler style state where only criminals will bear arms?!
And indeed they will.

Remember the old saying.
If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will carry guns.


Me thinks the USA in a lot of cases could learn from this.
As a Canadian citizen who is allowed to bear arms I'm proud
of being able to do so because of our laws in place that allow me to
do so. It's as simple as that.

Cheers all and happy paper punching gymnastics for those restricted
and non resticted gun enthusiasts out there.





...................QM'r

 

[Fudd]

A tool is only as good as the person who uses it. In this case some lazy ass cop didn't use the registry to to identify that this guy was a gun kook that needed to be delt with. The registry has been used everyday since it went on line and has saved a lot of lives and prevented crimes.

Unfortunately, the gun kook loving Harper and his Facist party are trying to kill the program knowing that it will cause more crime and kaos in the streets so he can put his rivals in prison. It does not make sense to destroy something that you spent billions of dollars putting together.

We need to keep the resgistry going because we owe it to the victims of gun crime such as the women who were needlessly buchered at Montreal.

Or the victims in the Surrey shooting.

Or the recent Calgary shooting.

And probably the most horrible of all this year the Norway Massacre

and Columbine massacre

The list of gun violence in civilized contries that allow guns is truly tragic and endless.

 

[Asianwomanlover]

Fudd, you are out of control. The PC party of Canada is far from being a fascist party. Funny how the bleeding-heart, "I know better than you do what is good for you" Liberal and NDP crowd automatically equate people who don't agree with them to "fascists".

You should relearn your history and avoid making a fool of yourself with such comparisons.

 

[mercyshooter]

Right. The Fascist comparison it out. The new comparator is Kim Jong-il.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/margaret-wente/is-stephen-harper-the-dear-leader-in-disguise/article2279903/

If you really work hard and be good to the future of the country, your name will be appreciated whenever people mention you after you pass away. Otherwise, they keep bullshitting your name. It all depends on your moral reasonings. However, with the system (constitution act) today, many many morally reasonable things are illegal and you can't do anything about them. One such thing is the BC drunk driving laws.