You just don't get it. To prove that to someone like you, is like proving there is no God to the pope.
The Obama Deception: Alex Jones
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Thank you -- someone making sense.
I wouldn't ban him -- nobody made me read this crap.
Exactly.
I wouldn't go to a conspiracy theory website and argue with them; I wouldn't bother going to a religious forum to tell them they are full of shit either.
But I don't understand this....??
No you dont get it. If I come on here and say the moon is made of cheese, I dont post any info. Does that make the moon made of cheese? So once again for you slow people POST PROOF. So if you got better than government documents off goverment websites then please post the links.
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r210_35.pdf
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
I am not sure I get your logic. Alex Jones can work 18 hours a day doing investigative reporting, bringing up important information that the average person does not have time to look for, and you don't expect him to get decent compensation for his time. Because of Alex we may not have to wait 40 years for information to be declassified regarding 9/11, like we did with the Kennedy assassination, to know that it was carried out by people within the government.
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Okay --- one more time. I will use these two examples. These are both real links that demonstrate just a couple of the apalling plans that the US Government has drawn up. Neither of these were put into practice.
There are far worse things you could point to, including things that they actually did, for which there is extensive documented proof. There are probably others that are still "Top Secret" and haven't been exposed. The bullshit justifying the invasion/occupation of Iraq with its devasting consequences is merely one of the most recent plans that were actually carried out (and still controversial to many Americans who still believe the Bush regime propaganda).
It's how you INTERPRET facts (sorry, not you, but the websites that link all these stray bits together for you) that I disagree with. It does not prove anything about the "New World Order" as defined by Alex Jones et al.
It's like arguing with a Christian who uses scripture versus to prove his point. The only acceptable argument is to use other scripture verse, and I can't do that because I don't accept the premise that quotes from the Bible prove anything. And that is exactly my point.
Why bother arguing? He's right and you're wrong. People like LightBearer only know one type of conversation and thats a one sided one because hey, he knows it all.
I'm just curious if he's actually met any of the women here at all, because isn't that what we're really here for? Guess he'd rather argue and spread his paranoid little points as opposed to getting laid.lol Though from what I read he's already been banned once. Isn't that a shocker.lol
What I was trying to say is, it would be nice to have a debate or a side to two stories; when it comes to the media like we have on the perb forum. Though, on the media it's usually just what's in. Or in the United States when you got a two party dictatorship aka coke or pepsi, vanilla or chocolate.
The one thing what I can say with the staes back in the day a lot of the new ideas policies that came into play came from independent parties. But now unless you have a ton of money and get through all of the red tape from state to state which the democrats and republicans did such a nice job of doing. Especially when it came to having national tv debates with a third party. Cause those parties learned from history aka Ross Perot when he took 20% of the popular vote in 92; that they Bill Clinton and the democrats and the republicans had to increase the percentage to get on the tv debates.
Like I'm just sick and tired of the same stuff that comes from these two parties. Their printing just absolutely ridiculous amounts of money in the last 6 months? Their just decreasing the value of the dollar. Stimulus package after stimulus package bravo!
hahahaahha. The USA still has 8100 tons of gold. Way more then any other country. How are the Brits going to fly away with that ?
With bankrupt Fed Ex planes ??? hahahahahah
No The Federal Reserve is OWNED by these people, they issue credit to the USA and the Fed hs power OVER congress, not under.hahahaahha. The USA still has 8100 tons of gold. Way more then any other country. How are the Brits going to fly away with that ?
With bankrupt Fed Ex planes ??? hahahahahah
http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html
http://www.financialsense.com/transcriptions/2006/1018griffin.html
Alan Greenspan admits Fed has power OVER the USA.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...AOX1uXCAQ&q=greenspan+admits+power+over&hl=en
Now go here and move slider to 57:34 listen to Ron Pauls brother he tells it like it is plain and simple.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...-a7SfnsBqL-qAOJnOG1AQ&q=obama+deception&hl=en
Still waiting for you to prove those 3 things you disagree with Alex Jones. Your opinion dont mean squat. Lets see some data. When lawyers battle it out in court do they hurl insults at each other and best insult wins? No they have EVIDENCE to back up there claims, finger prints, DNA etc. What does your opinion prove. Dont tell me I wont listen, SHOW ME SOME GODDAMN NEWS ARTICLES,VIDEO,DOCUMENTS. Show me a link that says USA has 8100tons of gold for example.
Hank...since I like to try to stay informed about things from all sides, could you tell me, where do you get the information that counters what Alex Jones is saying?
From a healthy dose of common sense, imo.
But he may also use this valuable new resource, which, because its on the internet, is just as true and valid as all the other damn links in these threads:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/u_n_acquires_nuclear_weapon?utm_source=c-section
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/redcoat_holdouts_still_fighting
And let's not forget the evil of the FDA:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/fda_approves_salmonella
Theres a big difference between The Onion and AP, Reuters, NY Times, Times of London, Armytimes etc.......
As the brilliant Fortunate One says, by using common sense, by reading a variety of sources (including the Onion, which is brilliant in its own way), and .... this is a big one .... by reading actual books. Read history. See how events happen in similar ways time and time again.
By thinking and by testing theories. By applying bullshit tests.
Does a simpler theory match the facts? Let's take just one...Fact: the CIA should have had ample warning that Osama Bin Laden was planning an attack. Why didn't they act to prevent it?
Conspiracy theory: The shadowy organization helped it along, or took control of it, or whatever. They used explosives to bring it down, they faked the plane attacks, whatever, it doesn't matter. They have an unending supply of fanatically loyal henchmen to carry out their evil plot, and never betray it. Find a bunch of bullshit opinions (an engineer to "prove" that the buildings couldn't have fallen in the way they did would be good), find some inconsistencies, ignore the vast majority of evidence, whatever, to "prove" your theory and how it matches your preconceived world view.
Real world: Intelligence agencies are incompetent, staffed by bureaucrats, subject to political interference. Just like any big office. They fucked up, and Bin Laden succeeded. A perfect opportunity for those in power at the time to use the incident to push their preconceived agendas, whereupon they too eventually fucked up.
Which makes the most sense, assuming you actually understand something about how people act in the real world?
But of course, none of those sources have the brilliance to add up all the facts and interpret them correctly the way that Alex Jones does.
So why is Bin Laden aka timothy Osmond a CIA patsy?
After a report was delivered to Congress on the evening of August 23, information of a classified document spanning hundreds of pages detailing the Central Intelligence Agency's intelligence failures prior to Sept. 11 became known to the public.
CIA Inspector General John Helgerson told director Porter Goss that the findings warrant an accountability board to take disciplinary action against current and former CIA employees.
This accountability board being authorized by Goss, much less making groundbreaking findings, is highly unlikely. For one thing, Goss is an undeniably partisan appointee. He is the only congressman other than George Bush, Sr. to take over the top CIA post, and his investigation into the Valerie Plame affair has been practically non-existent.
Both presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush held the presidency during George Tenet's tenure, so any criticisms of Tenet will lead back to the presidency. Neither side wants that.
Clinton missed opportunities during his presidency to capture Osama Bin Laden, including in the fall of 2000, when spy planes over Afghanistan sent video feeds to the CIA, showing a man that many intelligence analysts believe is bin Laden (NBC).
Under the Bush Administration's watch, according to French intelligence, Bin Laden was treated in an American hospital in Dubai for 10 days in July 2001, where he was visited by a CIA agent.
Former CIA Executive Director A.B. "Buzzy" Krongard (March 2001-November 2004), should be a target of any investigation into the Sept. 11 attacks. Buzzy was the head of the A.B. Brown investment firm until 1998 when he came to the CIA as then-director George Tenet's counsel.
It was the Brown investing arm of Deutsche Bank/A.B. Brown (the largest bank in Europe) that in one trade made a $2.5 million profit in "put options" (bets a stock will fall) placed on United Airlines just prior to Sept. 11. That prize was never claimed.
Early this year, Krongard suggested capturing Bin Laden wasn't such a good idea, saying, "You can make the argument we're better off with him (at large). Because if something happens to bin Laden, you might fight a lot of people vying for his position and demonstrating how macho they are by unleashing a stream of terror."
Bin Laden was a CIA asset from 1979 to 1989, when he went under the codename of "Tim Osmond." The CIA's treatment of him, even after the rise of anti-Western Muslim extremism, leaves the possibility he remains an asset to this day. Also questionable was the Sept. 11 breakfast meeting on Capitol Hill of then House and Senate intelligence heads Porter Goss and Bob Graham with Mahmoud Ahmad, head of Pakistani intelligence. According to Indian intelligence, it was Ahmad's agency that had recently wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta, the lead hijacker.
The three were still eating as the planes hit the World Trade Center in New York. According to Senator Graham, during the meeting, "We were talking about terrorism, specifically terrorism generated from Afghanistan." Goss also has his hands dirty from Operation Mongoose (the plan to overthrow Castro) from his time as a CIA officer from 1962 to 1972.
As the 9/11 Commission showed, any investigative team from within the power structures of the U.S. government is going to come to the same conclusions: our government was not complicit, and any failings were an honest mistake.
Stephen Bollich is a journalism graduate student from Beaumont. He can be reached at sab0107@unt.edu
http://media.www.ntdaily.com/media/...ed.Chance.With.Bin.Laden.Lladen-1893948.shtml
And WTC 7 wasnt hit by anything and it collapsed into dust meanwhile the Beijing hotel burned like the towering inferno for hours and its still standing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDceS-ZP798
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDceS-ZP798
Just once, I will play your game, and post some "proof." By your standards, since it is on the internet, and it sounds scientific and credible, and has a bunch of photos and diagrams and whatnot, it must be relevant.
http://www.debunking911.com/WTC7.htm
You can post another link reiterating the party line, and I could post another one by googling the internet, and on and on, and eventually the world will end. But this is getting tiring, and I knew from the beginning that no "proof" can ever be found if it disagrees with the theory.
That's great footage, but you wonder why is was totally left out of the 9/11 Commission Report? Especially with the fact that no steel building in history has ever collapsed from fire.
