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The "Nordic Model" of prostitution is a myth...

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http://theconversation.com/the-nordic-model-of-prostitution-law-is-a-myth-21351

The “Nordic model” of prostitution is often heralded for being particularly progressive and woman-friendly, built on a feminist definition of prostitution as a form of male violence against women. France has moved to adopt a Nordic-inspired approach; policy makers are urging the UK to do the same. But the idea of such a model is misleading, and in no way tells the whole truth about what is going on in the region where it supposedly applies.

We recently gave a talk titled “The Nordic model of prostitution policy does not exist”. The aim was to provoke reflection and a discussion, but also to tell the truth about prostitution policies in the Nordic countries.

We have researched Nordic prostitution policies since the mid-nineties, and in particular headed a large comparative project on Nordic prostitution policies and markets in 2007-2008. In our work, we examined how Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden approach prostitution through criminal justice and welfare policies, and reviewed the evidence for how these policies impact Nordic prostitution markets and the people who work in them.

We found that the differences not only between, but also within, the Nordic countries are too great for there to be anything like a shared “Nordic” model – and that the case for their success is far more fraught than popular support would suggest.

Only Sweden, Norway and Iceland have acts unilaterally criminalising the purchase of sex. Finland has a partial ban; Denmark has opted for decriminalisation. The “Nordic model”, then, is in fact confined to only three countries.

These countries' laws prohibiting the purchase of sex are often depicted as ways to redistribute the guilt and shame of prostitution from the seller to the buyer of sex. However, this was by no means the only argument for their introduction. Contrary to many common feminist appraisals, these laws do not in fact send a clear message as to what and who is the problem with prostitution; on the contrary, they are often implemented in ways that produce negative outcomes for people in prostitution.

In truth, while these laws have attracted flattering attention internationally, the politics and practices associated with them are very complex. In particular, they are sometimes applied in conjunction with other laws, by-laws and practices specifically aimed at pinning the blame for prostitution on people who sell sex, particularly if they are migrants. For these and other reasons, the Nordic countries' approaches must be judged with caution – and none more so than the most popular example, the case of Sweden.

Where Sweden leads
Sweden often attracts particular attention in discussions of how to deal with prostitution, not least since reports from the Swedish government conclude that the law there has been a success.

It has often been stated that the number of women in visible prostitution in Sweden has decreased since the Sex Purchase Act (Sexköpslagen) was introduced in 1999; the Swedish police describe the act as an efficient tool for keeping trafficking away from Sweden. The law has broad support among the general public in Sweden, and this has been interpreted as a result of the law having its intended normative effect on opinions of prostitution. But given the available evidence, none of these points is fully convincing.

The claim that the number of people involved in prostitution has declined, for one, is largely based on the work of organisations that report on specific groups they work with, not the state of prostitution more generally: social workers, for example, count and get an impression based on their contact with women in street prostitution in the largest cities. There is no reason to believe that other forms of prostitution, hidden from view, are not still going on.

The oft-cited 2010 Skarhed report acknowledges this – but still concludes that the law is a success based on the number of women in contact with social workers and police. Men involved in prostitution, women in indoor venues, and those selling sex outside the larger cities are therefore excluded from the scope of the report.

This excessive focus on street prostitution handicaps many accounts of the law’s implementation, which tend to simply repeat Swedish authorities’ claims that the Sex Purchase Act has influenced the size of the prostitution markets. They ignore the fact that since 1999 or so, mobile phones and the internet have largely taken over the role face-to-face contact in street prostitution used to have – meaning a decline in contacts with women selling sex in the traditional way on the streets of Sweden cannot tell the whole story about the size and form of the country’s prostitution markets.

Meanwhile, the Swedish Sex Purchase Act is often said to be an effective tool against human trafficking. The evidence for this claim is weak; Swedish authorities have backed it up with something said in a call intercepted by the police. The official data that does exist is vague; some authors have also pointed out that the act may have raised prices for sex, making trafficking for sexual purposes potentially more lucrative than ever.

There is also scant evidence for the claim that the law has had its advertised effect on the perception of prostitution and people in prostitution. Even though surveys among the general public indicate great support for the law, the same material also shows a rather strong support for a criminalisation of sex sellers. This contradicts the idea that the law promotes an ideal of gender equality: instead, the criminalisation of sex buyers seems to influence people to consider the possibility of criminalising sex sellers as well. This rather confounds the idea that the “Nordic model” successfully shifts the stigma of prostitution from sex sellers to clients.

Values in practice
Ultimately, prostitution laws targeting buyers have complex effects on people far beyond those they are meant to target. In addition to this complicating factor, the Nordic countries also police prostitution using various other laws and by-laws. Some of these regulations do, in fact, assume that the women who sell sex are to be punished and blamed for prostitution. This goes to show that one should be careful in concluding that Nordic prostitution policies are guided by progressive feminist ideals, or that they necessarily seek to protect women involved in prostitution. The most telling example of this the way the Nordic countries treat migrants who sell sex.

In Sweden this is embodied by the Aliens Act, which forbids foreign women from selling sex in Sweden and is used by the police to apprehend non-Swedish or migrant persons suspected of selling sex. This reveals the limits of the rhetoric of female victimisation, with clients framed as perpetrators: if the seller is foreign, she is to blame, and can be punished with deportation.

In Norway, we see similar gaps between stated ideology, written policies, and practice. Even though it is completely legal to sell sex, women involved in prostitution are victims of increased police, neighbour and border controls which stigmatise them and make them more vulnerable. The increased control the Norwegian police exert on prostitution markets so as to identify clients includes document checks on women involved in prostitution so as to find irregulars among them. Raids performed in the name of rescue often end with vulnerable women who lack residence permits being deported from Norway.

Taken together, the Nordic countries’ ways of approaching prostitution have been presented nationally and understood internationally as expressions of a shared understanding of prostitution as a gender equality problem, an example of how women’s rights can be enshrined in anti-prostitution law. But after looking closely at how the laws have been proposed and implemented, we beg to differ.
 

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There also is something else yo consinder when talking about Sweden
and they seem to be the main exaple of this model

Sweden is a socilist country.. every one is looked after from crafle to grave..and in fact. any citizen of Sweden does not have to go into prostitution.
Most prostituts come from out side the country.. manh from the eastern counttris.
And many are being trafficed... and pimped... .SO That is what the law is set up to combat.. with out really say that..
In away it rightly targets johns.. for supporting crimial acctivity . and sex slavery.. I can understand where thst is its intend.. and yet it really is not spelled out . when people talk about it..

And Swedeb does not want to addmit it has this large a problem which they cant stop..

If you take those facts into light.. . This is not the case in Canada..
We are lacking a social net . that can take care of every one adduquitly.. and thst is part if tge reason. why wlmen work in prostitution. to make enough to live on and provide for there families..
When it is to support a drug habit.. .again .. our system fails.. when it come to having addiquit resorces to help them ... with treatment ... and follow up after.. Or to help get them in to the work force with training..
Itt is there but not enoigh for everyone.. And the goverment does not have the money to fund it..
Thry want privet organization to do it... Which are also strugling

As for sex trafficing.. we do have that pronlem... but very little evidence. . in the form of conviction.. It is handled more as an imagration issue.

All though most of the the case put forward in the recent court decision. was based on safty for those in street prostitution.. . most of Csnada Prostitution is all ready indoors..
And also licenced .. by cities... ..

So what would the purpose of the Swedish . model . have in Canada.. other then to satisfy. some femanist malises aggdenda.. That if a man pays fir sex he us raping a women... Do ghey hold the same view if it is gay sex. or if a woman oays to have sex with a women

All so what seem ovious. in the Swedish model. is that instead of respecting women. they are using the law to threaten and abuse there right.. by posiably forcing them to testify against johns that pay for their servies . that is the only way this law can be enforced..
Where as in sweden many of these womrn are not swedish citzen. they are getting away with these human rights violation.. with implimenting this law

This is some thing that women groups have fought against . here .. and what part of this court case was about allso.. to stop coercion .. by any one including the police

.. When Prositutuon. is legal.. and everthing around it is legal.. then women rights can not be abused by those in athority.. . or forced to testify.. in other cases. with threats...as is done in tbis country .today

Not just the police but also family services.. Where are women rights advocate. when that happens

The Swedish thinly valed law would not stand up to our Rights and freedom act.. nor should the courts let this. attempt to abuss women even more. be even cosidered on a free and demacratic country... Sweden is not as democratic as Canada. so why we lower our standards to their level.
 
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one time while living in Ontario I heard a a story of Asain women who were held in a hotel on the West Side of Toronto (Etobicoke). I remember the news reports stating that they were afraid to leave the motel rooms because they knew no one and could speak no English. So they just stayed in the hotel for days and days until a client (probably a few clients) made anonymous complaints.
 

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let's be clear, sex workers are NOT mostly trafficked out of country women in sweden. the criminalize the consumer arguement does not work to protect trafficking victmins anyway....

we work from the idea that sex buyers are allowed into places we as advocates or support staff would never see, as they are seen as potential income. if we criminalize sex buyers and they could face criminal charges, loss of their jobs/ families, what would be the motivation to report dangerous conditions if they witness them? as happened in toronto?

if we criminalize the customer, they have no motivation to report exploitation or are less likely to report as they could face reprecussions.

the article describes quite clearly why the criminalize the buyer approach does not work....

yes, they have far better supports in place there. another reason why it won't work here in canada. we don't spend near as much on welfare etc and if it hasnt worked there, it certainly wont work here....
 

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Yes your may be right... most of the sex workers in Sweden . are not trafficed. but they could be foreign workers... .and i think part of this law is amined at that problem...

As for your stance Suze I realize you may have to put some blinders on when talking about the Canadian sex trade business.. As we have seen in the oposition .do . in there apptich and comments.

But we in Canada. do have. a large influx of foreign women . from asia.. eastern europe..and other countryies. that are hosted to come here.. and they work in the sex trade.... but it does not seem to be documrnted that well .. even though .it is ovious from adds on craigs list.. backpage... and other .venues.. that there is a probablity of it happng.... Are they being trafficed... What is the international definition of trafficing
 
Yes your may be right... most of the sex workers in Sweden . are not trafficed. but they could be foreign workers... .and i think part of this law is amined at that problem...

As for your stance Suze I realize you may have to put some blinders on when talking about the Canadian sex trade business.. As we have seen in the oposition .do . in there apptich and comments.

But we in Canada. do have. a large influx of foreign women . from asia.. eastern europe..and other countryies. that are hosted to come here.. and they work in the sex trade.... but it does not seem to be documrnted that well .. even though .it is ovious from adds on craigs list.. backpage... and other .venues.. that there is a probablity of it happng.... Are they being trafficed... What is the international definition of trafficing
Okay so please clarify for me if you are upset about the fact there are women from other countries working here. are ALL the woman working here from foreign countries working here against their will? I have worked for Russian agencies with Russian woman and they did not looked deprived or unhappy.
 

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Just was reading the last few paragraphs. of your original post.. and noticed . it mentioned .. the Alien act... which forebids foreigners from working in the sex trade.... so they are totaly under ground.. .
Sweden is even morer repressive then i thought.. and they dont even attemp conceal showing there contempt for foreigners..
 
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V bc. i would only be upset. foreign women being forced or courced into working in the sextrade.. just as i. would with any other women working under the same circumstances

We all ready have law that can be used to combat that.. .
I am not in favour of the so called Nordic model..and i dont think it would beable to with stand a constitutional challenge in court.

But again you sti have to .make case and that will only be jf some one is charged under it..
 
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Okay so please clarify for me if you are upset about the fact there are women from other countries working here. are ALL the woman working here from foreign countries working here against their will? I have worked for Russian agencies with Russian woman and they did not looked deprived or unhappy.
Trafficking does not imply that the people being trafficked against their will. It involves criminal elements who facilitate the movement of people into the country illegally where their services are essentially bought and sold on the black market. The people being trafficked usually get paid something that is a lot by standards in their home country, but because they are here illegally it is much less than a local would receive for the same services, and they do not have the legal protection locals have due to the threat of deportation. So, they can be exploited by others.

Being deprived or happy has nothing to do with it. They are here illegally undermining the local job market. They get what for them is a lot of money, the traffickers get a cut of that, so they get a lot of almost free money, everyone is happy. Except for the Canadian who can't find work or has to take a salary cut because of it all.

These people undermine our society, they need to go.
 

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johnsmit; we are in contact with migrant asian sex workers in canada all the time. they are not trafficked and for the most part are looking to create a better life for themselves and their families. we translate materials and include them in many projects for many years.

i do NOT wear blinders about canadian sex work. i have never said that exploitation doesn't happen. it does. i have witnessed and experienced it.

that does not mean i must support criminalizing clients 42% of whom have experienced full out violence when trying buy sex. what about the exploitation they experience? simply because they were in need and sought comfort? i defend clients inspite of the bad ones. because you are mostly decent and vulnerable men who need our services.

the nordic model of criminalize the client does not adress trafficking. it criminalizes clients and the places where we work. essentially the same moral gong show which has landed us here, with the murdered and missing women. as described in the article, immigrants are targeted as potential "victims" and then imprisoned and deported.... not supported.....

never mind that its not just sex work which has exploitation and trafficking. how about construction? or fruit picking? or forrestry? or mining? or oil?

tugula, i agree with you completely. the problem is that in my position of advocate and as a canadian for that matter, i cannot knowingly contribute to the arrest and deportation of sex workers from foreign countries. the GAATW reports tell us that these workers are sometimes imprisoned upon arrival in their home countries and are sometimes even executed.

so while i get frustrated about the undercutting of wages for canadian workers in the sex industry, i cannot advocate for the removal of these workers knwing they could be executed.....

it is way more complicated than the aboltionists claim of the "nordic model" saving civilization....
 

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Essentially, the so-called "Nordic model" is simply another example of attempting to legislate morality. Except now, instead of criminal laws based on the Christian moral view that prostitutes are "fallen women" who must be punished for their sins, we now have criminal laws based on a feminist moral view that the customers are "fallen men" who must instead be punished for their sins...

Using criminal law to attempt to legislate morality never works, for the simple reason that there is no upper limit to morality. Christian morality, for example, is based upon attempting to follow the example of Christ, who was the embodiment of the perfect - and perfectly moral - human. A practicing Christian will attempt, as far as possible, to model his or her behaviour upon that of Christ, but will recognize that this is the ideal and it can never ever be attained, for "we are all sinners". Thus, for a Christian, "morality" is about striving to reach an unattainable ideal. (The same is true about most other religions, except that the "ideal" setting the standard for behaviour differs.)

Criminal law, by contrast, is about setting the minimum bar for acceptable behaviour in society. It is NOT about legislating a high ideal that citizens must strive to attain but about setting the guttermost limits below which they must not fall. And to have long-term legitimacy within a society, the minimums set as "crimes" must have near universal approval. Otherwise, the society is burdened with criminal laws that are widely ignored, flouted and sneered at by the citizens, which in turn tends to bring the entire justice system into disrepute.

In essence, morality is about encouraging the positive heights of good behaviour - and that can never successfully be legislated, while criminal law is about limiting the negative depths of bad behaviour - and that can. Invariably, societies run into problems with their criminal laws when they confuse the two.

The above discussion formed a critical core concept in a course on Theory of Jurisprudence that I took a few decades ago. (I have always assumed they still teach it in law school and general law classes, but given the modern penchant for social engineering, I'm starting to wonder what the content of those courses is nowadays).

Anyway, the classic example taught 30 years ago to differentiate between appropriate and inappropriate criminal laws was "Love vs. Murder":

The "Golden Rule" of Christianity is "Love thy neighbour as thyself". Nice sentiment; noble ideal and society should by all means feel free to encourage its citizens to aspire to this goal. BUT impossible to legislate a requirement that citizens MUST love their neighbors, especially through criminal law: any attempt to pass a law charging people for "not loving their neighbor enough" is - and should be - doomed to failure. The main reason being that no two people would ever agree on what was "enough"

On the other hand, "You must NOT murder your neighbor" is almost universally accepted in all societies as the minimum threshold requirement of acceptable behaviour for having a society, because without it the most basic trust in each other required to form a society disappears.

Thus, while a criminal law ordering that citizens MUST love each other on pain of punishment is doomed to failure, a criminal law ordering that citizens MUST NOT kill each other is eminently doable.

And the classic example of a society running into trouble when it confused the two is the US and Prohibition:

The temperance crusaders in the US had long preached against drinking alcohol on moral grounds: "You should not drink alcohol because it is has evil effects on your Moral Fibre, which is bad for you, your family, and society as a whole". Total abstinence from drinking at best and temperance at a minimum was the moral ideal to which adherents were encouraged to aspire.

Eventually, however, the temperance movement gained enough political power to have a law passed that said "Nobody in the US is allowed to drink because it's bad for them".

Unfortunately, this law was actually based upon legislating a moral ideal (abstain from alcohol on moral and religious grounds) and not upon forbidding an action accepted nearly universally in society as falling below the "gutter limit" for behaviour. And the result was a law ignored by such a huge proportion of the population that it was ultimately unenforceable. And in the meantime, the attempt by the police, the courts and other authorities to enforce a law viewed with nearly universal scorn actually harmed American society as a whole by undermining the legitimacy of those authorities.

It strikes me that nearly ALL laws in ALL societies that have attempted to deal with the issue of the buying and selling of sex by forbidding it - regardless of the basis - have suffered from a similar problem. No attempt to make "the World's oldest profession" illegal has ever been based on anything other than some form of moral aspiration - using criminal law to legislate an ideal.
 
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Dumb question of the day doh:

Just checked backpage - seems there are escorts advertising in Sweden. Maybe it is OK to solicit customers, but purchasing is a no-no. Now I really understand the Nordic model. No, the truth is, I am more confused than ever.
 

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The “Nordic model” of prostitution is often heralded for being particularly progressive and woman-friendly, built on a feminist definition of prostitution as a form of male violence against women....
You know, I just don't understand how people are still on the platform that controlling a woman's choices is considered to be feminist. I'm in this line of work by choice, and if or when I leave, it will be by choice. I can appreciate people being against the associated slavery with the sex trade, but shouldn't that go without saying? The same thing with child sex workers. I mean, do people actually think that anyone in support of legalized sex work must therefore be in support of things that are illegal regardless?? :doh:

I consider myself a far left-wing feminist (which is NOT an indication of hating men. If you think that, read a book. Or even a portion of a book. Just the "F" section of your online dictionary ffs). I support the choices of women and the equality of women. Fuck, I support the equality of people, as a whole. My body, my time, my choice. How is this coming across as rocket science to law makers and right-wingers? Not to mention, why, in this day and age, are we still pretending that things we don't like or agree with aren't happening? If you can't stop it, why not make it safer?
 

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^ The "man haters" are some of the most damaging people wrt feminist movement. I think more and more people have come to understand and appreciate that feminism has nothing to do with man hating.
 

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cameron; we "choosing" sp's are lying to ourselves don't cha know!! we lie to ourselves so we can live with the horrible lives we have....ugh.....

cj: agreed, its like some feminists take it too far and now want to punish men. i don't know why they can't see that they are sexist...against men.

pye from the rose alliance in sweden sent us a fact sheet about it that i will also share;

Claims about the “Swedish Model” – and what’s really going on

The law has always had a huge support from society

If you ask a person in the street some will be in favour of the law, mostly because it’s
politically incorrect to say something else. But many NGOs are critical against the law and
have always been. These include RFSU (The National Organisation for Sexual education),
RFSL (The Swedish Federation for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Rights), HIVSweden
(the patient organization for PLHIV), Rose Alliance (the sw org) and the Swedish
Drug Users Union. All these organisations, apart from Rose Alliance, are state funded.

The law is protecting women who sell sex

Yes, we only talk about women in Sweden. No one cares about male and trans sex workers.
The law identifies all female sex workers as victims. This has led to an increased stigma
and prejudiced service deliveries to sex workers. Condoms are not distributed (except in
one city in the south) as the goal is to rehabilitate all the "victims". If a sex worker refuses
to identify as victim they can be denied services, be discriminated against and risk losing
custody of their kids. If you say you’re not a victim, the state claims you are suffering from
“a false consciousness”, “romanticizing prostitution” and is suffering from a form of selfharm.
By saying you are such a victim you don’t even realize it yourself they are basically
labeling sex workers mentally unstable. People will also say no sex worker has been
murdered since the law. This is true but actually no sex worker has been murdered,what
we know of, in the last 30 years or so.

The law is a tool to combat trafficking

This law was never about trafficking, that’s just something they started saying now. We do
have a separate law against trafficking. Migrant sex workers are being stopped at the
border simply for carrying “too many” condoms. They are deported for “earning a living in
a dishonest way” even though selling sex is not illegal. When migrant sex workers object to
being labeled trafficking victims they are simply deported, one Rumanian sex worker even
filed a complaint against the state for being deported as soon as she refused to say she was
forced to sell sex. There is no data on trafficking and no monitoring tool=no evidence at
all.
 

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The law has been evaluated

There was a, highly criticized “evaluation” done. But it’s sole focus was to make it more
effective in catching clients. They asked some sex workers about the law and this is a
quick translation:

”The persons who are still abused in prostitution says that criminalization has re-enforced
the social stigma…even though if it’s not forbidden to sell sex they experience being
chased by the police. They experience being treated as legally incompetent as their
actions are tolerated but their will and choices are not respected”

Further down on the same page it said:

”When it comes to the persons who are still abused in prostitution must, the above
mentioned negative effects of the prohibition that they describe, must rather be looked
upon as positive seen from the perspective that the purpose of the law is to fight against
prostitution”

Basically “Now your life is shit so now you will have to quit. The Discrimination
Ombudsman were really critical about the evaluation as they found it remarkable that
added stigma could be considered positive and also because they thought that sex workers
were not consulted enough. No one cared.

The law has resulted in fewer sex workers

The only data prior to the law was on street based sex work, and it’s the same today. The
law came in 1999 when internet boomed and sex workers in Sweden have always worked
indoors even before internet. It’s estimated that only about 10% work in the street. The
number of street based sex workers went down just after 1999 but has since gone up
again. Street based sex workers says the negotiation time is gone as clients are afraid to
be arrested so now they have to make the deal when they are already inside the car. The
client wants to chose where to stop the car as they think the police will know the regular
spots sex workers use, so it actually gives the clients more power. The good clients are
gone, some stopped buying sex but many moved to the indoor market. That means that
street based sex workers now have to interact with dangerous clients in order to make
money, even the police admits that. There are no indications that indoor sex work is lower.
Not even the state claims that. Sometimes it’s written that all the brothels are gone, well
we never had any for decades so that has nothing to do with this law but rather and older
law regulating pimping.

The law results in fewer clients

Again, no numbers=no evidence. Street based sex workers might have fewer clients (see
above) but all indoor workers I know says that there are as many clients as always. The law
affects basically everything but the number of clients. The police is however targeting
clients more and more aggressively. They will listen through the doors of sex workers work
premises, very often their own home, and kick in the door to arrest the client. Often they
bring with them a social worker to “rescue” the sex worker (you know the idea). Normally
they claim they thought the sex worker was forced or a minor. The usual bullshit.

The law doesn't criminalize sex workers, Sweden has decriminalized them

First off, it was not illegal to sell sex before the law. So Sweden has not decriminalized sex
workers, again just stuff they say to make it sound like they care. But important to know is
that we also have many other laws criminalizing activities related to sex work. Our
pimping law is as broad as possible and no exploitation or financial gain needed. Helping
out for no cash is also illegal, so everybody work alone. There are three different laws
regulating indoor sex work. If you rent a place for work, or work from your own home, the
landlord is forced to evict you or can otherwise be charged with pimping. If you own the
apartment you have lost your right to own it if you sell sex there. And outcall or incall to
hotels can lead to the hotel being charged with pimping so now there are cameras and
security guards everywhere. So there are actually only two ways to work without being
affected by any law apart from the law criminalizing clients and that is in the street or
going to the clients home, and doing it alone.
 

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Sweden now have special services and exit programs

We had three specialized services, in the biggest cities, since many years. They are part of
the social service system, not the health care. Their main focus is to get people to quit sex
work, and to achieve that they offer long term therapy. Nothing else! And they constantly
stigmatize sex workers whenever they talk with the press and politicians. And they say
stuff like "we have met hundreds of prostitutes and have a mandate to speak for them".
Yes you can claim money from the state if you have no income, but that is the same for all
citizens. There are no exit programs, that's a big fat lie.

The law doesn’t harm sex workers health

In a recent survey sex workers were asked what they worried about. 25% worried about
violence (we always had very little violence in Sweden) but 58% worried about prejudice
from authorities and of course that’s not good for anyones health. The recent report from
the Global Commission on HIV and the Law highlighted “the Swedish Model” as one
specifically harmful legal models for HIV prevention.

Condoms are not distributed (apart from one city in the South) as they are seen to
encourage prostitution and not a priority. In Rose Alliances' survey 68 % said that they
never received a condom as part of HIV-prevention for sex workers. As sex work is
considered violence it itself there is no mention of safety for sex workers. They even think
having information about safety will prevent sex workers from quitting. So if it's dangerous
we will quit which is what the state wants, another example of that they really don't care.
But this law was never about sex workers health and safety anyway.

The law has been adopted by many other countries

Actually it’s only Norway that has copied the law exactly. Finland has criminalized clients
of trafficking victims. Island has banned everything including striptease which is not the
same. Norwegian service providers (health and social) has reported a number of negative
effects to their law.
• The prostitution market is the buyers market
• The ”good” clients are gone
• Sex workers feel they are controlled by the government and feel they are more
criminalized
• More sex workers work alone
• Many service providers expresses a concern for an increased vulnerability among
sex workers.
• Few sex workers ask for help when they been victims of violence
• Harassment and discrimination from the rest of society has increased.
• Criminal individuals take advantage of the increased vulnerability of sex workers.
What you never hear is about countries that said no to the law. For example in Denmark
the government clearly said no with the motivation that it would be harmful for sex
workers.

The law has been successful

No evidence that it’s effective at all. Just because politicians, police and social workers
has the same idea and consensus doesn’t make it evidence, that’s called ideology. In Rose
Alliance recent study only 7% of sex workers said the law has made them think about
quitting sex work, 6% thought the law would make it easier to quit while 82% said it
increased stigma.

(In the same study 14% of the sex workers said the law had been positive for them, most
common reason? They could put their prices higher!)

Most important to remember, they know there are negative consequences but they don't
care. This was never about what's good for sex workers, this is just Sweden trying to create
the "perfect" society. The same thing that made them using forced sterilization towards
many groups for decades (trans people up until 2 years ago if they wanted gender
reassignment surgery) and the reason Sweden is one of the top countries in the world (per
capita) in sending people to prison for HIV-related crimes, most of the time simply for not
telling about living with HIV. It's about state control and a disregard for the individual
citizen. And Sweden enjoys being the moral compass of the world, they spend millions
doing it every year.
 

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Sassy Strumpette
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@the Meat Market!!!lol
she wrote this for sex workers in indonesia who had to fight against this kind of policing as well, thus the simplfied language. she also is swedish so her english is great but not perfect.

the global movement is actually pretty cool, at least we can counter the abolitionists with real lived experience with living under this model.
 
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