The New And Very Improved Supreme Spa

[DinoMartini]

Well I'll offer my opinion here but only because like an a*@hole I have one too.

Before starting a session I like to talk money before game on, I find it makes things go smoother knowing what services will be offered up front and for what amount. Sets expectations and keeps the surprises to a minimum besides, It's hard to be a savvy shopper when you're nekid and in the heat of the moment (can I get an amen) and as we all know there's some SP's that count on that emotion to "up sell" their services offered during the session. As well they should I might add, it's the SP equivalent of super sizing your meal and as professionals they are trying to maximize their revenue opportunity in the session and I support them for doing that.

I read what everyone is saying and even though I'm the paying customer (with limited funds available to poon) I have to side with the girls on this one and the reason is basic. If I want a great session it's a good idea to NOT bring in the negative energy of bargain hunting over a few measly dollars. Hurt feelings never lead to a great session. If we can not agree on a fair price at the start of a session I say thank you and go somewhere else, it's as simple as that. For me it’s all about respect, I respect the SP by paying her fairly and she respects me by delivering a quality experience and respecting my privacy. Nuff said, because after all we all in E-town we are blessed with some of the most awesome SP’s in the business who besides being amazing, beautiful women are very nice people who make you feel right comfortable during your time together.

Bottom line the girls have a right to charge what they feel is a price that the market will bear and we as customers have a right to walk away to go see the competition. The problem I have with how this all started is that when there’s an (informal) cartel fixing prices there’s no yin to the yang of the free market. But even if that happens I for one will simply poon less, as my budget is fixed for this hobby, so the SP’s will see no additional money from me. But in the end the market will right itself as it always does because that’s the beautiful thing about capitalism; it’s a perfect system even if it takes a while to get it perfect.

 

[agent_smith]

Okay hopefully the last on this topic,

I wouldn't mind paying any extra for room fee, especially if the websites schedules are kept up to date, and pictures are up within a resonable amount of time.

AS

 

[tur]

just an interesting point...

i've been surfing some vancouver web sites.

a lot of places offer 2 browns all inclusive (room and tip). Let's hope our ladies don't price themselves too far out of the market.

2 browns is very reasonable for a great visit, even 2 browns and a green, but 2 browns for an average or poor visit really really hurts.

 

[jimmy hoffa1971]

I must concur with Tur...It is a matter of fair value for my dollar. If I know the service will be good to above average, then perhaps paying mroe might not be so hard to take. However, if there is some doubt in my mind, or the SP has an "off day", as we all do, where is the justification in the higher costs?

There was also a comment earlier about "charging what the market will bear". That is true to an extent. Eventually the market will be limited. I must agree with Trawler, and I think everyone, that as the rates go up, the frequency of pooning goes down. I know last year I got a raise, but the previous 3 years I didn't, as the market couldn't bear it.

I think everyone is coming across with the same thoughts...The higher rates are good and reasonable to some extent, but also negative on another. If the pooners agree that the higher rates devrease the frequency of the hobby, and the owners are looking for ways to increase revenue, perhaps the "supply/demand" curves need to be adjusted to not a higher cost and fewer pooners, but slightly lower rates, and more hobbyists. Afterall if we, the hobbyists, pooners, clients, whatever we are called, are objecting to higher rates, that should be sending up a flag or two with the owners..

My two cents...

 

[sandy]

I think

this has been a most interesting discusssion from both an owner and SP perspective. There are a few things I would like to comment on and perhaps clarify. Firstly, everyone has very valid and legit points as far as I can see and I cannot figure out where the train went off the tracks regarding "pricing". Before the new Supreme was completed Leah and I had a discussion about raising the price of $25 to $30 for up to the hour. Much thought and consideration went into our decision and we went so far as to seek out advice and input from others including one of the esteemed Perb members before going ahead. It troubles me to see the term "price fixing" and "cartel" being used in relation to our decision. This was never the intent of our seeking out advice and we are certain that we have no influence over others no matter what the perception may be. I study economics in my work as an SP every day and here is what I have come to understand. Service and its value is determined by the individuals providing it and purchasing it and only those parties. This is how it has always worked for me and since it is not broken,there is no attempt on my part to fix it. The integrity of both parties usually prevails with a win win situation don't you think? I stress integrity because if no one is trying to put one over on the next there will be no problem and expectations on both sides will not only be met but often exceeded. Overall, I think the underlying message that is being conveyed is play fair and I think that's fair

 

[TOFTT]

Thanks Sandy for your post. It is always an honor when you grace us with your presence on this board, as you truly are one of the most respected ladies in the buisness and we definately like hearing what you have to say.

Let me start out by saying that I don`t believe any of us guys would begrudge you of trying to cover the cost increases in your buisness. From our personal lives, we all know that the cost of everything such power, gas, telephone, taxes, etc. continues to rise. A $5 room fee increase is warrented, as you will still be within the average. In fact several other studios in town (and not especially the high end ones) are charging anywheres up to $50/hour for room fees. As I previously mentioned on this thread, the hot topic doesn`t seem to be the extra $5 charge for the room fee or that F/S might now jump from $200 to $220, thus putting an extra $15 in the girls pocket. The main bone of contention seems to be that what we were paying for before as part of the F/S experiance, seems to be now added on as extra a la carte charges. From my personal experiance what makes a certain SP special from the rest of the pack is the certain little extras she might provide (especially if I`m a regular). Weather it be DATY, DFK, GFE, Toys, Costumes or what have you, each SP needs to find her own little niche in the market. If now I have to start spending $20 plus for each of these extras, then all of a sudden I could possibly be looking at over $300 for my session. Several of Supreme`s clients have already expressed that`s what they have experianced. Sandy, could it possibly be that your girls have misinterpreted your intentions for an increase in fees. Maybe a clarification on your behalf can finally clear this up once and for all.

As for the "Price Fixing" and "Cartel" comments you mention, it was your own Gabrielle who stated in the following post on this thread, that the studios had gotten together to discuss setting new prices. (although TOFTT had already heard about this ocurring) No one here on this board started that rumor.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24639&page=1&pp=15

 

[cj69]

Seems there is a lot of debate regarding pricing structures as to what should be charged for and what should be included. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in and offer a differing opinion for consideration.

FS seems to the point in question, and what extras should be included.......in all actuality and fairness.........NONE! Thats right boys, when we go and pay for FS that is what we should get and NOTHING more. The way I see it we are paying for a certain service and anything we get beyond that is either a bonus or if we ask for more we should be prepared to compensate for it. Believe it or not the ladies are not there for their personal enjoyment so it is unreasonable to EXPECT them to provide such without compensation!

In any other industry we do not go pay for one service and expect to receive anything more than the service in question. So why is it fair to the ladies here? Why should we expect one lady to do something they may or may not be comfortable doing when we are realistically paying for nothing more than FS? If an SP is not comfortable providing DATY, DFK, or toys why should the value of said service be lower than one that does? In all actuality it doesn't!

The industry is full of choices, and that choice is left up to us. If you find someone that will provide all of these services INCLUDED in the FS price then you have yourself a gem. And since the choice is yours, it is completely up to you to see that person alone rather than those which do not include the above. So lets not berate the ladies or discount the value of their serivce, it all comes down to what they feel the value of their services are..........after all who they heck are we to tell them how much they are worth? Seems pretty arrogant of us to think we should dictate their self worth when WE are the ones with the NEEDS.

I say if you find a lady that provides all you want for no extra costs, all the power to you. But be prepared as word gets out to 'get in line' so to speak cuz chances are that you won't be booking at your leisure.......and further you won't be the only one getting all of those services from her! Not my cup 'o Tea but thats the beauty of the industry, ULTIMATELY, the choice is OURS and OURS ALONE, so to each their own!

So lets not criticize those that "do" and those that "don't". Rather make your choice and live with it.........

 

[Fitness_Mango]

A buck forty eight (adjusted for inflation).

A Cadillac is always a Cadillac. A VW is always a VW. When I rent a cadillac, it never fails to softly seduce me in it's leather seats, it never fails to exhilerate me with a responsive northstar engine, it never fails to get me to where I need to go, and in style.

A Cadillac never has a 'mood', it doesn't have an 'off-day', and it doesn't get put off that the last person to drive around in it's splendour - was less than respectful. Each person that rents a Cadillac gets a VERY similar experience. That's what I expect from a PRODUCT (something physical I can lay my hands on).

Services are a different story. Who here has never received a bad haircut, but still paid for it because you knew going in what it was going to cost, and for what you would be paying?

What I expect and what are delivered as far as services are concerned, is the difference between paying the price of admission, and a possible generous tip. The 'fee' that I'm enlightened about at the beginning of a session, is what I expect to pay no matter what - that's non-negotiable. You don't negotiate with your hair-dresser about a haircut, you simply tip when the services exceed your expecations (or underwhelm your fears).

I'm never going to tell a SP that I think her services are worth less than what she is requesting, I will however continue on to the next SP when I don't click with the SP, on whatever issue. Money, Attitude, and Mood are all simply variables that I need to consider when choosing a SP - the latter two being more important to me than the money - I can ALWAYS make more money, but I can't get back the time from a bad experience with a SP.

Price fixing rarely works as it was intended, and I find it difficult to believe that this industry could collude to the extent that it would artificially inflate the price across the board. There's typically someone (as sandy has alluded to in a previous post) who will lower the price, modify the supply stream, or generally induce some sort of mechanism to let the market fluctuate and regulate itself.

HOWEVER, as some have pointed out in this thread, it's not about price alone. One of the challenges I have in deciding frequency, is determining PRECISELY what levels of services are on the menu so to speak (for lack of a better allusion) in the beginning of a session with a new SP.

I've never had an SP come right out and say "Hmm, I like you, you're fun, trustworthy, and I will be HAPPY to provide you with kissing, daty, msog, and bbbj just because you're wearing cologne AND socks today!".

It's difficult to determine what's on the menu with someone you've only just met. What's MISSING is some consistency in the experience(s). TOFTT seems to get a more mileage, and consistency, for his $. Maybe because he doesn't look like he NEEDS to poon, maybe because he is a better social engineer than others... Who knows, except him and his lucky SP of the day. Always with SERVICES Your Mileage May Vary due to a variety of factors.

One of my goals with ANY HOBBY, is to maximize value, minimize variables, and satisfy my need with that hobby, whatever that hobby is... Be it RC Cars, Video Games, Model Rockets, or even yes, Pooning.

To that end, when someone says FS, I expect just that, and as many have said, and TOFTT has pointed out, that is not always the case. When I get a SUPERCUTT II, I know for a fact my hair is getting washed, and cut / styled. There's NO question as to what services I'm getting unlike MPs / SPs. Physical interaction without intimacy is meaningless to me - not everyone is a LILITH or GABRIELLE - I can accept that, I can even REVEL in it. A german philosopher once said it's the differences that we must celebrate, not condemn. I can buy that for a dollar, just no more.

What might assist in this equation, is some common terminology that SPs can agree on, that would describe in no uncertain terms, what services are available - without making either party uncomfortable. I know I'm shy in asking "Will you let me cum on your tits?" after having just introduced myself - call me nancy if you must, I'm just a little bit shy at first.

FS for one SP, may mean something completely different than it does to another SP - so some common terminology even WITHIN a MP, would be helpful for me.

Even the 'extras' as they have come to be called - vary greatly from SP to SP, or even SESSION TO SESSION unlike other service providers. Not that I can or will begrudge anyone's right to determine their own level of comfort.

I'm not comparing a SP to a hairfresser either, it's simply a lack of a superior allusion (again). You won't find a hairdresser who is uncomfortable with washing someone's hair one day, and fine with it the next - this simply speaks to the consistency principle I've spoken about above. But licking someone's nuts is a very personal choice / act... In order to provide consistent service, the SPs absolutely require and deserve consistency in their clientele - we have to arrive presentable, and SQUEAKY clean, eliminate as many variables on your own turf I say.

Inconsistency is acceptable to a point, just let us know specifically what is, and what isn't within your comfort range - be upfront, certainly we can ALL agree, that communication is at the heart of the solution to this debate, and not the other way around. I for one don't think that Service Provider A deserves as much of my $ if her comfort level is less than Service Provider B - I value a SPs time more if her values are more in line with mine - that being open and uninhibited - with respect to being safe.

All OTHER variables being the same, B deserves more of my financial voting power if she's going to go further to satisfy my needs in this arena than A. It's not rude to be able to vote in this manner, it's what the system needs to maintain itself. This is the critical element that some SPs seem to want to withhold from the voters.

I have no problem with being generous with my $, as long as someone is generous of themselves and their time. If you're having a bad day, recuse yourself for the remainder of the day, you will lose less $ in the long run by missing out on 2 sessions, than by alienating 2 clients who will tell their two friends, and they their two friends, and so on. If you don't like it if a visitor bites your nipples - tell us before you provide us the opportunity instead of getting mad at us when we do. I for one would LOVE some orientation before committing to a session, nothing at the university level, just 2 mins of "This, not that... Don't do this, but I ADORE this!".

As always, this is a relationship that goes two-ways. It IS best described by the commonly tossed around phrase "Supply and Demand". But let's not forget we (the voters) are 'supplying the demand', we also happen to be the ones who are 'demanding the supply. Yes, I just argue'd BOTH sides of that equation - it's unavoidable, though it IS the hobbiest who drives this 'economy' forward by voting with our Dollars. If we believe that someone is not providing a level of service that's fair for the $ requested, we vote elsewhere.

The elsewhere will be dictated as reconn becomes available, thanks to everyone on this Board that proves this social force again and again.

Again, respectfully - thanks goes to everyone who provides valuable feedback on this board, including the SPs who participate here. All of which make this even MORE enjoyable than it deserves to be for such a simple thing as money changing hands.

Thanks everyone.

 

[bigstick]

Well Fitness Mango, you just said what I was going to say you took the words out of my mouth uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhhhh! What that post must of took you oh about an hour jesus. Good job dude!

 

[BamMargera]

A Cadillac is always....

Good god man, that was some undertaking, but I have a feeling that you hit the nail right on the head with how a great deal of us pooners feel. Some sort of system would be great just so that we know what the SP might feel comfortable with doing, or even just entertain the thought of an activity There is a website for an MP in Vancouver that does just this, using terms like "openminded" and "very openminded" so that you can tell who might be able to scratch your itch before going in the room and geting nekkid. I'm not entirely sure that every MP with a website should have a checklist page listing all the things the SPs will do, but it would be cool if we had an idea who's a little more openminded towards certain activities.

 

[cleoburt]

Susan And Barn From Calgary Trail Health Studio

Hi.
I am Sam.
I spent a lot of time and a lot of money there when I lived in EDM....I came there a lot-1995-2000.
I saw a remarkable woman named SUsan most of the time.
She offered me DATY, 69, almost anything. I miss her and would love to know what happened to her and what happened to barb
??

Please advise!
Sam

 

[jim]

Hi.
I am Sam.
I spent a lot of time and a lot of money there when I lived in EDM....I came there a lot-1995-2000.
I saw a remarkable woman named SUsan most of the time.
She offered me DATY, 69, almost anything. I miss her and would love to know what happened to her and what happened to barb
??

Please advise!
Sam

You are referring to the former owners of Calgary Trail Health Studio I think. I heard that they had retired but then Barb went back as an employee later.

Jim

 

[ace85]

Wow

I have to laugh. As I read these posts, and people complaining.

I don't post that often, but I am as active in the hobby as the next guy.

First off, if you have a budget, discuss with the lady what you want to pay, for what and then leave if you aren't happy.

If you are afrad to settle for a lesser service, then don't bring enough money, leave and go get enough to pay for what you want. The little head tends to start to take over when you se a semi attractive female willing to let you do certain things to / with her. THe 5 minute buffer tends to be a wonderful tool. It prevents you from feeling like you wasted money.

When you feel like the session is going to suck, becasue the budget isn't right or she wants too much etc etc. It probably is going to suck.

You can't buy chemistry, so don't try, but you can buy services, so remember that when a session is mechanical.

Find girls that appreciate what you bring to the table. I repeat, you can't but chemistry so don't try.

And for God sake, don't complain about a $30 room fee. Decide what you are willing to pay for a whole session and get over it. Think about what you are paying for. Take a look in the mirror, realize what you are buying, and realize that there are times when your SP would rather be doing something other than you, YES YOU.

Before you flame me, also consider whether or not you really want to walk into an MP and have a girl say NO I would rather not see you today even though I am available, you would be flamming her for the rejection for weeks.

So many guys on here want top notch service, while they want to negotiate the price like you are buying a commodity, then complain when she won't crawl over to you lick your feet and beg for the opportunity to dry you off after she starts a shower for you.

Money talks, if you want to feel like a king then step it up and spend like you are a king, you will likely get better service. REMEMBER this is their career for GODS SAKE.

Flame me all you want, but this is your hobby not theirs.

 

[trawler]

ace85, well said ...

I agree totally with the following statement:

"This is our Hobby not theirs".

 

[Vienna]

ace, I think I love you! LOL

 

[TOFTT]

ace, I think I love you! LOL

So Vienna, does this mean it's over between us?

 

[Vienna]

TOFTT how could I do that?! LOL Never!

 

[TOFTT]

TOFTT how could I do that?! LOL Never!

TOFTT is very glad to hear that Vienna, and the little guy is even happier to hear we're still together

TOFTT was thinking that he may have ask Mikey or Right Said Fred if TOFTT could borrow some black condoms to wear while mourning your leaving me