The New And Very Improved Supreme Spa
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This is kinda an interesting survey question.... how much more would you pay?? I am going to start a poll in the general discussion section. The poll
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We should form our own "counter-union" for lack of a better term, we don`t poon unless the prices fall lol. But i don`t think we would be as strong unfortunately... when you are horny... it is a need
I wish the ladies didn`t get along so well then perhaps their union wouldn`t work!!!
Personally i don`t mind paying a few extra dollars if i am with a lady i like to be with.... but i generally prefer to tip with gifts etc... it means a bit more and I really don`t think money means that that much to sps, especially a few extra bucks considering how much they make. Also i don`t like to set precedents of giving out money on a random basis.... it is just kinda a principle thing. Thats why i usually only pay what they ask + maybe a gift if i like to spend time with the girl regularly.
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We should form our own "counter-union" for lack of a better term, we don`t poon unless the prices fall lol. But i don`t think we would be as strong unfortunately... when you are horny... it is a need
I wish the ladies didn`t get along so well then perhaps their union wouldn`t work!!!Personally i don`t mind paying a few extra dollars if i am with a lady i like to be with.... but i generally prefer to tip with gifts etc... it means a bit more and I really don`t think money means that that much to sps, especially a few extra bucks considering how much they make. Also i don`t like to set precedents of giving out money on a random basis.... it is just kinda a principle thing. Thats why i usually only pay what they ask + maybe a gift if i like to spend time with the girl regularly.
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Edmonton Mod
2 things...Lauren said:
I don't know exactly what you girls make lauren... but to some extent the "best players" (in terms of sps) are the highest earners, I am sorta sure on this... and I am sure you are aware of that. Maybe not guaranteed.... but it is like any other job, if you work hard, you get paid more! You get more clients if you are a "better sp". I think you are referring to a per client basis though, which of course MOST girls are on an even scale, but there are some girls that charge less or more maybe not at sinderellas though.
Like you say... comparing nhl players to sps is not really that great.
In the nhl it is a bit different per game the highest players make more, but they actually do produce a heck of a lot more. If you tell me gretzky in his prime isn't worth ten times the amount that say salo or some other bad player makes. He produces 10x more on the ice and brings in ten x the number of fans. Thats why good players get 10x more. IMHO.... In the sp world, there is not as much variability in service/performance... on perb sometimes we nitpick to pull out details. But really things aren't that much different. For the most part, IMO service is decent with EVERY sp... afterall you are with a pretty lady and both of you are naked, screaming in pleasure, and having a good time how bad can it be??? In the nhl there is alot more variability, that is why on a per game/per client basis, players vary so much.
That makes me think about my day job and how I only get a few weeks vacation and I don't even make that much to go on vacation. I guess you have to factor in the career span of this profession as well.Commander Chode said:
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Edmonton Mod
Sorry trawler... my bad.trawler said:
I clarified.... lets go with the semi-standard 2 browns including room, that seems to be what I am quoted quite often actually. I believe penthouse still charges this, last time I went there. Kingsways etc... are usually less. Sinderellas I don`t get charged that much more than 2 browns but i have heard otherwise, i know supreme charges a bit more (according to this thread), prestige is 2 browns, fantasy was 2 last time i went in november or so.... so i think it is still somewhat standard give or take 20 or so.
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From an owners perspective...
Hello everyone, I have never posted and am a little nervous about doing so. However, this thread and this topic hit's on a nerve for me and always has. Commander Chode asks when the last price increase took place. He calculated inflation from the year 2000. Try 1990, as I have never taken a price increase in the 15 years I've been in business. I have owned Sinderellas, AKA Wynn's Tanning For the last 15 years! How's that for old school...LOL.
I would like to enlighten all of you as to how I see it.
What do you think my prices should be at if you were to calculate inflation over the last 15 years? What happened about 7 years ago was that some owner/operators chose to bring down the price of massage to get their edge and that's when you, the client started paying $25 up to an hour at most massage parlours. Now that they are bringing their prices up to $30 per hour, (still falling short of what they were 15 years ago), I find it funny that this would cause any controversy. It is easy to bring one's prices down, but obviously not as easy to bring them back up! In my opinion they should never have been lowered in the first place. Personally, I feel that this type of behaviour has made a mockery out of the massage industry on a business level. My fee's are structured so that the longer a client stay's in the room, the more he pay's to the house. I do not think that this is unfair. When was the last time you went to the drycleaners and they told you that you could bring a whole bag of laundry in for the price of a shirt? The longer one of my girls is occupied by a client, the fewer clients that girl is able to see per shift. That means less money to the house if the "up to an hour" structure is in place. That is why I have never conformed with this pricing structure.
It has always been the responsibility of the client to pay the room fee over and above the tip. The two are separate and shouldn't be confused. A tip of $200 seems to be acceptable for F/S across the board, unless there's something very special or unique being offered or requested.
And as far as taxes go, the MP's claim and pay their taxes for there are paper trails to contend with...no tax breaks here!
So as far as the little $5 increase goes, give the MP's a break...wink.
Just my 15 years experience...
Hello everyone, I have never posted and am a little nervous about doing so. However, this thread and this topic hit's on a nerve for me and always has. Commander Chode asks when the last price increase took place. He calculated inflation from the year 2000. Try 1990, as I have never taken a price increase in the 15 years I've been in business. I have owned Sinderellas, AKA Wynn's Tanning For the last 15 years! How's that for old school...LOL.
I would like to enlighten all of you as to how I see it.
What do you think my prices should be at if you were to calculate inflation over the last 15 years? What happened about 7 years ago was that some owner/operators chose to bring down the price of massage to get their edge and that's when you, the client started paying $25 up to an hour at most massage parlours. Now that they are bringing their prices up to $30 per hour, (still falling short of what they were 15 years ago), I find it funny that this would cause any controversy. It is easy to bring one's prices down, but obviously not as easy to bring them back up! In my opinion they should never have been lowered in the first place. Personally, I feel that this type of behaviour has made a mockery out of the massage industry on a business level. My fee's are structured so that the longer a client stay's in the room, the more he pay's to the house. I do not think that this is unfair. When was the last time you went to the drycleaners and they told you that you could bring a whole bag of laundry in for the price of a shirt? The longer one of my girls is occupied by a client, the fewer clients that girl is able to see per shift. That means less money to the house if the "up to an hour" structure is in place. That is why I have never conformed with this pricing structure.
It has always been the responsibility of the client to pay the room fee over and above the tip. The two are separate and shouldn't be confused. A tip of $200 seems to be acceptable for F/S across the board, unless there's something very special or unique being offered or requested.
And as far as taxes go, the MP's claim and pay their taxes for there are paper trails to contend with...no tax breaks here!
So as far as the little $5 increase goes, give the MP's a break...wink.
Just my 15 years experience...
I don’t begrudge anyone for wanting to make a buck.
In my real life I’m a senior manager for a medium sized corporation and one of the demands placed on me, which I in turn place on my staff, is that our bottom line MUST grow yearly. We never budget for a loss or zero growth. It just isn’t acceptable and my personal financial worth is dependent on that fact.
And we all live with increased costs, whether they be for utilities or groceries. That much we can all agree on.
But here’s the part I’m still having trouble with.
At least one studio in Edmonton is charging - and has boldly advertised the fact - nearly half the ‘accepted’ local price for the FS.
Call me naive, but in my estimation that’s a revolutionary development. (I’m leaving out the cost for street walkers as in my estimation that’s entirely different from the parlor scene).
Because as odd as this may sound, price has never really been an issue for me. If the going rate is X for FS at a parlor (I’ve been going off and on since 1994), then that’s what I pay.
As I stated in an old post in a different thread, I won’t negotiate with a SP as I find it degrading to both parties. When I go for a session the SP tells me how much it will cost, what I can expect to receive and then I pay that price.
So now, as a consumer, I’m faced with the choice of competing businesses offering similar services except one is charging half as much as their competitors.
Certainly analogies abound; if the function of a car is simply for transportation why then do some people spend $50,000 for a BMW instead of $25,000 for Chev?
The answer is self evident; some people can afford and will chose to spend more for a litany of reasons. The same goes for dining and whole range of other consumer items that, at least on the surface, appear to be very similar.
But a trip to the parlor isn’t the same as a visit to a car dealership (insert used car salesman jokes here). Or is it?
Is FS the same with every SP? Of course not.
So, all things being equal, does spending more for FS mean you’ll receive more sexual satisfaction? Certainly sometimes, but it’s never a guarantee.
I’m not here to offer any conclusions or condemnations, just my observations and the hope to foster more discussion.
I just know that I will personally sample more new ladies for $120 than $225 or whatever the new agreed on price is.
In my real life I’m a senior manager for a medium sized corporation and one of the demands placed on me, which I in turn place on my staff, is that our bottom line MUST grow yearly. We never budget for a loss or zero growth. It just isn’t acceptable and my personal financial worth is dependent on that fact.
And we all live with increased costs, whether they be for utilities or groceries. That much we can all agree on.
But here’s the part I’m still having trouble with.
At least one studio in Edmonton is charging - and has boldly advertised the fact - nearly half the ‘accepted’ local price for the FS.
Call me naive, but in my estimation that’s a revolutionary development. (I’m leaving out the cost for street walkers as in my estimation that’s entirely different from the parlor scene).
Because as odd as this may sound, price has never really been an issue for me. If the going rate is X for FS at a parlor (I’ve been going off and on since 1994), then that’s what I pay.
As I stated in an old post in a different thread, I won’t negotiate with a SP as I find it degrading to both parties. When I go for a session the SP tells me how much it will cost, what I can expect to receive and then I pay that price.
So now, as a consumer, I’m faced with the choice of competing businesses offering similar services except one is charging half as much as their competitors.
Certainly analogies abound; if the function of a car is simply for transportation why then do some people spend $50,000 for a BMW instead of $25,000 for Chev?
The answer is self evident; some people can afford and will chose to spend more for a litany of reasons. The same goes for dining and whole range of other consumer items that, at least on the surface, appear to be very similar.
But a trip to the parlor isn’t the same as a visit to a car dealership (insert used car salesman jokes here). Or is it?
Is FS the same with every SP? Of course not.
So, all things being equal, does spending more for FS mean you’ll receive more sexual satisfaction? Certainly sometimes, but it’s never a guarantee.
I’m not here to offer any conclusions or condemnations, just my observations and the hope to foster more discussion.
I just know that I will personally sample more new ladies for $120 than $225 or whatever the new agreed on price is.
Sindies,
I understand what you are saying as an owner but, this is the way I see it as a client:
1) that means the place is trying to create an assembly line of clients, in my opinion. I prefer that a lady spends quality time with me, it doesn't burn her out and create a bad attitude.
2) meaning that I will spend less on tip, so I can stay within a certian budget. Not all of us have Trawlers deep pockets!
These are just my opinion, as you have been running your establishment for 15yrs and are still going strong, all the best your skills as a manager/owner.
AS
I understand what you are saying as an owner but, this is the way I see it as a client:
This is the nature of free market and competition, if someone decides to bring down thier prices to increase traffic then so be it. ie walmart.Sindies said:
I don't see a good analogy here, but I understand that your basing your fee's on time usage. Laundry is like comparing a candy bar to a fine meal, it's easier to pay for a candy bar then to go for a fine meal.Sindies said:
I find 2 reason wrong with this as a client,Sindies said:
1) that means the place is trying to create an assembly line of clients, in my opinion. I prefer that a lady spends quality time with me, it doesn't burn her out and create a bad attitude.
2) meaning that I will spend less on tip, so I can stay within a certian budget. Not all of us have Trawlers deep pockets!
But both of these come out of the same pocket! It's like buying anything, we pay it but we don't see for which part portion goes to advertising, staffing etc..! As a consumer you just see a higer price, ie gas prices.Sindies said:
These are just my opinion, as you have been running your establishment for 15yrs and are still going strong, all the best your skills as a manager/owner.
AS
Hi Sindies, Well Cum to the Board ...
we have a long history and it is nice to have your view here. Sinderellas, when under your management, has always been one of the Best for Girls and most consistent for Prices. IMHO you run a great Shop with quality Gals.
None the less, the pricing has changed over those 15 years, from a Customer perspective. This is how I see it:
1. FS was $160 in the early days (10 years ago);
2. Room fee was $20 (old studios) or $25 (new studios) for 1/2 hour;
3. Penthouse and than Fantasy broke the room fee barrier with $25 up to the hour but FS moved up to $180 and the combined standard fee became $200;
4. This was consistent until about one year ago and then there was an increase to combined fee to $220 (for an hour); and
5. Now it appears there is a move to $240 (for an hour).
That is an increase from $185 to $240 = $55 or 30% since say 1994. I am not complaining and do not feel the increase is unwarranted, it just means that the Pooner's frequency must be adjusted. Ten year's ago I could have 11 sessions for $2,000/month, now I can only get 8 sessions for the same $2,000.
When I see a Girl that I like it is a bargain , when I see a Girl that is marginal, I question what I am doing , and when I see a girl that treats me like she hates me , I wonder why I am so stupid . This Board has pointed me to the Best in the industry and for that reason, I generally have no issues with the pricing.
Sindies (Lacy) you were always a bargain - thanks.
we have a long history and it is nice to have your view here. Sinderellas, when under your management, has always been one of the Best for Girls and most consistent for Prices. IMHO you run a great Shop with quality Gals.
None the less, the pricing has changed over those 15 years, from a Customer perspective. This is how I see it:
1. FS was $160 in the early days (10 years ago);
2. Room fee was $20 (old studios) or $25 (new studios) for 1/2 hour;
3. Penthouse and than Fantasy broke the room fee barrier with $25 up to the hour but FS moved up to $180 and the combined standard fee became $200;
4. This was consistent until about one year ago and then there was an increase to combined fee to $220 (for an hour); and
5. Now it appears there is a move to $240 (for an hour).
That is an increase from $185 to $240 = $55 or 30% since say 1994. I am not complaining and do not feel the increase is unwarranted, it just means that the Pooner's frequency must be adjusted. Ten year's ago I could have 11 sessions for $2,000/month, now I can only get 8 sessions for the same $2,000.
When I see a Girl that I like it is a bargain
, when I see a Girl that is marginal, I question what I am doing , and when I see a girl that treats me like she hates me , I wonder why I am so stupid . This Board has pointed me to the Best in the industry and for that reason, I generally have no issues with the pricing.Sindies (Lacy) you were always a bargain
- thanks.
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Edmonton Mod
my 2 cents...Sindies said:
Firstly...
5 dollar increase is nothing to be honest. If you complain about 5 dollars, you probably shouldn't be the hobby, it is a lunch at mcdonalds. And if you can't afford to buy food, you shouldn't be pooning LOL. That is not the issure here at all. Don't misunderstand us! We are talking about excess for hte most part!
About Inflation....
And yes gas, electricity and prices along with rent has risen. It is FAIR to raise prices. But not in excess, that is what guys are complaining about. Things are CHEAPLY built now adays and i am sure that factors into costs. The washing machine breaking down from washing "cum soaked linens" lol... So it is fair for that reason to raise prices. You shouldn't make less now than before. Would any of the guys put up with their job if they got a drastic pay cut??? I dunno. Same applies here.
About The ladies lowering prices 7 years ago...
Bad business decision for the industry, but probably good for them at the time. That is the nature of competition. Sorry I don't sympathize with you here, but in any business if someeone wants to undercut, then ultimately they probably will do better if they have done their math. If westjet cuts their airfare...they take business from Air canada. If a car dealership cuts costs on their cars.... and the same car is more expensive elsewhere... That is life!! IT is more difficult to rasie i do agree, but maybe gradually implementation of price raises would be a better alternative. Also 7 years ago there proabbly wasn't as many studios... more competition-> lower prices generally. It is economics 101... very basic. More competion->less profit and lower prices!
Taxes... this is just my opinion, and I don't mean it in any MEAN way, just telling you it does happen. I know lots of ppl that cheat taxes not particularly in massage though, nothing wrong with it really, since it is so prevalent. Just a pet peeve so to speak.
I am fairly sure the STUDIO itself pays its taxes... but I do have my doubts about the ladies working there.... no offense or anything, i am just saying it as i see it as with any other businesses that deal with cash . It happens everywhere, ppl from "churches" that according to their religion should pay taxes, don't. Hypocrites in my opinion. When money is involved, ppl aren't honest lots of times. Sorry to say. That has nothing to do with you Lacey (the owner), cause on your end i am sure you are honest, you can't hide too much without risk. ALSO YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR 15 years, i am sure you have done something right and not being dishonest!!!
That said...
The basis of tax evasion...How can anybody prove if someone paid FOR fs or a basic.... those are the type of tax breaks i am talking about. Nobody would admit to it obviously
It happens in every business not just massage. Nobody (or very few...) declares full tips (in restaruants) in their taxes, it just normal protocol i guess. But somewhat wrong IMO, since lots of hard working people pay taxes on all their income like they are supposed to. But i guess we get penalized for doing what we like, our job. In my job, i can't take advantage of these situations Anything cash, drycleaners, macs stores everything, I am sure there is lots of "tax evasion" nothing we can do.... just sorta rant on my part, and not really a big deal to be honest. I know a few ppl that do this. Please don't take it the wrong way, go for it!! Power to you!Sinderellas and your policy
Sinderellas is very fair establish to its ladies being a customer there i know that. It makes me happy. Sometimes i feel...The longer you take to get off the more you should be charged... this means they could charge me a fortune
Time=money to everyone. Thats why your policy is fair, it is smart business on your behalf to charge for additional time. The onus is on the ladies to realize that good service=more money. Just because they get charged more, doesn't mean they have to make less. The also have to realize good service=money and repeats. They have to balance good service and good time to make the most money. Relaying addtional costs inccurred by SPs->client is totally fair in my opinion. Just because the studio charges more for 1 hr vs 30 min, why should the lady make less! Seems fair to me, as long as I get my choice what to pay. I like 1 hr, and if you charge me a bit more, that is fine! I have no problem in the case of sinderellas paying 20 dollars more because I know the studio charge x amt more. Like agent smith... I have a problem if they rush me out though, your policy somewhat leads to that. But... just don't go see that girl again! This is not always the case... i ahve had girls go excessive overtime at sinderellas, not always a rush job. I like it on the whole!LASTLY
caveat emptor The famous latin phrase... buyer beware... if you don't want to pay the price, then you don't have to! Nobody forces you to pay the price. Just choose wisely! IMO 10-20 is not a big deal if you get good service. That is my opinion. IF a top rated sp charges more I will pay the price, but if i get shoddy service ... no. PERB is a board that helps us to find rip offs, use it!
Just my 2 cents!
From 1994-2004 there was a 23.43% increase in inflation.trawler said:
$185 in 1994 = $228.35 in 2004
If you just look at room fees:
$25 in 1994 = $30.86 in 2004
The most I've been asked for in Edmonton is $225 for FS.
If I get asked for $5 more then before I'm not going to complain.
Anything beyond that and I walk. Client always has a choice.
I think we're all getting a little side-tracked here as to how this discussion about price increases initially started.Sindies said:
First off let me start by saying that I don't think anyone on this board begrudges the owners from raising their rooom fees another $5. We all know how utilities and other things have gone up in the last few years. In fact if I was an owner, I might even want to raise it another $10! The main complaint is that at some places, the ladies have take it upon themselves to use this as an excuse to all of a sudden drastically raise their prices on F/S to the point where they now feel the need to charge us an extra $20-$50 for every extra they provide. Extras that were previously given to us regular clients as part of the F/S. If I now have to pay an extra $20 ($5 to the house and $15 to the SP) that's no problem. But if I now have to pay an extra $50-$100 that's a MAJOR problem! It all smells of greed to me.
As previously mentioned, in the end it is us the customers who will decide what we want to pay. Not a bunch of studios who get together and tell us what the going rate will be. I for one am glad that there is a bevy of MP/SP choices in our fair city. Not all of us can always afford the $220-$300 sessions. Sometimes a half hour $160 session is all a guy needs or can afford. If I had to always pay the high amount, I know I would probably be visiting MPs half as much. If many other customers are in the same boat, wouldn't this over time actually equate to a major loss of buisness to the SPs, which means less money in theirs and the owners pockets?
Most often than not, you get what you pay for in this hobby, but there has been a number of occasions where I've paid upwards of $200 or more for a session that sucked (And not in a good way.
) and sometimes $150 for a session that rocked my socks off. Guys, shop around and use this board to the best of your advantage. It all comes down as to what you are looking for and what you can afford. Time will tell how this all shakes down, but I for one give thanks for free enterprise and the chance to make my own choices. On a sidenote: All the discussion in this thread has been strictly about F/S. Since I get the impression that the majority of guys on this board usually do not always go for the full meal deal, I pose the question. Will prices for sessions that only involve a nude or nude reverse or CBJ only, all be going up in price as well?
I for one don't do f/s all the time, actually if rarely.
I do remember a time when a girl would offer f/s sans CBJ for the same price as a CBJ. Does that mean if a girl doesn't offer a particlular extra she should lower the price? ie digit's or daty? As every extra offered is usually a green or more addition for tip. Anyways it's just a thought and opinion.
AS
I do remember a time when a girl would offer f/s sans CBJ for the same price as a CBJ. Does that mean if a girl doesn't offer a particlular extra she should lower the price? ie digit's or daty? As every extra offered is usually a green or more addition for tip. Anyways it's just a thought and opinion.
AS
From an Sps perspective....
When a girl charges $200 including the room. She is paying the room fee ($25 - $45). This was not the expectation of the client when I entered the biz, only when I came back after a years absence. There is a difference between a tip and a room fee. Why do you guys want us to pay for the room? We already pay a shift fee. If a girl quotes $220 for an hour you should be excited because its $190 + $30 for the room. Do we need to start collecting the room fee before the session starts again? Would that make you guys feel better? I'm not trying to sound hostile but, I find this thread insulting. Soon all the girls will be out of work and you guys will have to find your "services" located next door to a nike factory.
When a girl charges $200 including the room. She is paying the room fee ($25 - $45). This was not the expectation of the client when I entered the biz, only when I came back after a years absence. There is a difference between a tip and a room fee. Why do you guys want us to pay for the room? We already pay a shift fee. If a girl quotes $220 for an hour you should be excited because its $190 + $30 for the room. Do we need to start collecting the room fee before the session starts again? Would that make you guys feel better? I'm not trying to sound hostile but, I find this thread insulting. Soon all the girls will be out of work and you guys will have to find your "services" located next door to a nike factory.
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Edmonton Mod
Robyn... your point brings up a few interesting thoughts.
The thing that is neglected is that i think the room fees advertised are sometimes LOWER than what the girls pay??? Is that correct to assume that? I heard somewhere that this was the case... it seems logical. I think they should advertise the WHOLE room fee, and then perhaps the guys would be more willing to compensate. Sometimes be completely open about everything helps. I sometimes look at it from the perspective, how is the girl being compensated, try to be fair that way. If they pay more room fees i will pay more. Thats why if the girls do indeed pay out more of a room fee than advertised... post it.... it has its pros and cons i guess though for the owner.
Then on the other hand there has to be some honesty here.... please don't claim that the room fees have gone up 10x and we are now expected to pay 400 dollars lol But i am sure that wouldn't be the case! Real openess about the cost of the fees, helps sometimes. I PERSONALLY LIKE IT HOW FANTASY USED TO HAVE GUIDE IN THE FRONT ROOM WITH THE TIP FEES ETC!!!! That is fair. I don't want the ladies to feel shafted... nor do i want to feel shafted.
I think some of the ladies have misunderstood the point completely, we are not cheapskates.... some of the ladies that know who i am can confirm this, and I am sure the same can be said about the other guys in this thread. I almost feel like we are being painted as such, but no big deal, no offense taken LOL. It is just conversation. Please don't take it personally, but i am not an sp so its hard for me to understand.
Just try to understand our point...
I think the point is that excessive increases at some point, we have to draw the line. Cause it is expesnive. Nobody expects the ladies to subsidize us and for them TO GET A NET PAY REDUCTION, WOULD BE WRONG IMO.... even if the girl's tip price increases 5-10 is not really a big deal imo... like i said before 5 bucks is lunch at mcdonalds, if you can't buy foood, food>>>>> sex in the long haul!! as long as the whole price isn't going up excessively, nobody would really complain. This thread is just kinda interesting in some ways for discussion only purposes, that is why i have been contributing, not to bitch or complain so much.... just i finad it kinda interesting
The thing that is neglected is that i think the room fees advertised are sometimes LOWER than what the girls pay??? Is that correct to assume that? I heard somewhere that this was the case... it seems logical. I think they should advertise the WHOLE room fee, and then perhaps the guys would be more willing to compensate. Sometimes be completely open about everything helps. I sometimes look at it from the perspective, how is the girl being compensated, try to be fair that way. If they pay more room fees i will pay more. Thats why if the girls do indeed pay out more of a room fee than advertised... post it.... it has its pros and cons i guess though for the owner.
Then on the other hand there has to be some honesty here.... please don't claim that the room fees have gone up 10x and we are now expected to pay 400 dollars lol
But i am sure that wouldn't be the case! Real openess about the cost of the fees, helps sometimes. I PERSONALLY LIKE IT HOW FANTASY USED TO HAVE GUIDE IN THE FRONT ROOM WITH THE TIP FEES ETC!!!! That is fair. I don't want the ladies to feel shafted... nor do i want to feel shafted.I think some of the ladies have misunderstood the point completely, we are not cheapskates.... some of the ladies that know who i am can confirm this, and I am sure the same can be said about the other guys in this thread. I almost feel like we are being painted as such, but no big deal, no offense taken LOL. It is just conversation. Please don't take it personally, but i am not an sp so its hard for me to understand.
Just try to understand our point...
I think the point is that excessive increases at some point, we have to draw the line. Cause it is expesnive. Nobody expects the ladies to subsidize us and for them TO GET A NET PAY REDUCTION, WOULD BE WRONG IMO.... even if the girl's tip price increases 5-10 is not really a big deal imo... like i said before 5 bucks is lunch at mcdonalds, if you can't buy foood, food>>>>> sex in the long haul!! as long as the whole price isn't going up excessively, nobody would really complain. This thread is just kinda interesting in some ways for discussion only purposes, that is why i have been contributing, not to bitch or complain so much.... just i finad it kinda interesting
Inflation is a very real cost but does not supercede the laws of supply and demand. How much did it cost you for a long distance call 5 years ago. How much today. Your interenet connection? Your computer? I'm sure you can think of many other examples. It is only reasonable for the ladies to test the market from time to time to see if it will accept an increase in price.
The market will ultimately determine whether that increase will remain
The market will ultimately determine whether that increase will remain
I too find this subject interesting...
I think we (or at least most) have been very fortunate to be in this city (and province) over that last few years and the economy is booming.
It is only normal for luxury items (such as this "hobby") prices to go up during prosperous times - but they usually suffer during recessions (as pointed above by Sindie - sometimes prices will go down...)
We are not talking about food, shelter or any life necessities here... so I don't think you can use "inflation rates" to justify increases - but what is fair is fair and I say: If times are good: Spend, Spoon and Shut Up.
I think we (or at least most) have been very fortunate to be in this city (and province) over that last few years and the economy is booming.
It is only normal for luxury items (such as this "hobby") prices to go up during prosperous times - but they usually suffer during recessions (as pointed above by Sindie - sometimes prices will go down...)
We are not talking about food, shelter or any life necessities here... so I don't think you can use "inflation rates" to justify increases - but what is fair is fair and I say: If times are good: Spend, Spoon and Shut Up.
Neither the provider nor client get to decide pricing on their own, both influence the price point. There is a supply curve (provider) and a demand curve (client). The efficient price point is where those two cross. See the last two posts in this thread.
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24072
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=24072
Wow, this thread has peaked interest in everyone!!
Everyone makes great points, but I think what's coming from most of the girls is that most of our walk-in clientele complains about paying "standard price" but wants above standard service. Not that there's anything wrong with going above and beyond, infact we all should, but I think that most ppl think that $120 should be standard with ALL the perks. I think that's unfair especially with the girls fees being higher. I also have a hard time justifying fs and a nude being the same price!
As an sp i enjoy my job and my clientele, but lately I feel like the game show, "Let's Make a Deal!" or an infomercial, "If you spend this, you get a free gift worth...." I'm not pointing this at anyone in particular but I hope those who like to bargain at least understand that us girls do get insulted and less inclined to give exceptional service. The best sessions are those that don't take 20 minutes to negotiate.
It's always interesting to hear different views on the same topic.
Everyone makes great points, but I think what's coming from most of the girls is that most of our walk-in clientele complains about paying "standard price" but wants above standard service. Not that there's anything wrong with going above and beyond, infact we all should, but I think that most ppl think that $120 should be standard with ALL the perks. I think that's unfair especially with the girls fees being higher. I also have a hard time justifying fs and a nude being the same price!
As an sp i enjoy my job and my clientele, but lately I feel like the game show, "Let's Make a Deal!" or an infomercial, "If you spend this, you get a free gift worth...." I'm not pointing this at anyone in particular but I hope those who like to bargain at least understand that us girls do get insulted and less inclined to give exceptional service. The best sessions are those that don't take 20 minutes to negotiate.
It's always interesting to hear different views on the same topic.
