Tur, I believe in your post you meant to say "Two Browns" for F/S. If you're only paying Two Reds ($100) we all want to know who you've been seeing.tur said:
The New And Very Improved Supreme Spa
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gabrielle said:
Yes Gabby, you are correct in your statement. Just like out in the real world, excellent service should be rewarded but not expected. Hell, I've even been known to tip $50 here and there if the SP gave me a great price along with an excellent session. I do believe that the price scale/extras provided for a regular client (does my four sessions with you count?
) should be different than that of your first/one time only customers. Our patronage to an SP should have some perks. Don't you think?I get the feeling that since this is a transtional period at Supreme maybe it will take awhile before everything in terms of pricing is straighted out. Or at least I hope so. IMO Full Service is just that. CBJ is not an extra, and I don't think DATY or DFK should be either, as long as the girl is open to it. If the occasional toy finds it's way into the session, all the better. Extras are such things as Greek, Dom, Role Play, Costumes/Outfits, Extra time in the session, and so on.
Remember that $220 is a days pay or more to a lot of us, so we do have to spend our money wisely.
I too have been following this discourse on pricing and potential increases. Just like all of us, I always appreciate being paid more and paying less for those things I desire. So sometimes this is not always compatible. But I also have a high expectation of the level of service I desire. As a result, I tend to try to find an compromise between the level of service and the associated expense.
I agree with many of the points being made by both hobbyists and provides. As both Trawler and Gabby mentioned I full agree it is the lady that is prime when I consider who I might see. I have been to many of the studios not because I wish to visit them all but rather because a lady in particular who I had met and fully enjoyed and appreciated had for one reason or another moved locations. The environment that the studio possesses is also a factor. All thing being equal, I would certainly prefer Supreme to Paradise or Kama Sutra.
I feel that I treat the ladies with a high level of respect. This happens in many ways. Since I travel from out of town, this is not a spur of the moment hobby. Appts are made in advance and I show up as promised and on time. I respect the ladies time by sticking to our agreed time frame. In the rare event that I am either early or late a courtesy phone call is made to deliver the news.
I will often make a request for the session. It might for a bauble to enjoy, a particular look or color, but only if it exists in her “bag”. If it does not we either move to something else or discuss the option of acquiring it. I have now bought one bauble three times at the same store. Good thing they do not recognize for the same thing.
When the request is first made, if significant, I will inquire as to the “tip”. I do not like to negotiate about it but rather think that if is stated it is my option to accept or decline. For my last two visits, in both cases, the amount was acceptable, was accepted, delivered, and a modest tip included. I am not a large tipper, by any means. Selfishly perhaps, I prefer to focus the reward on the mementoes and by being loyal, supportive of great service, and by returning as often as possible. That sometimes is manufacturing a reason to travel to Edmonton and arranging a visit with the favorite, sometimes weeks in advance.
As was declared by TOFFT and confirmed by Tiffany, (one of the twins?) I do appreciate being rewarded for making return visits. I do not look so much as to some discount although that is nice. But rather prefer to take the approach that something that might be considered an extra, be added in. I suppose one could say that is a discount of sorts. So be it. I do not like this approach of here is our full service price and now we get to the gravy of the extras and their cost. I know that I do not want to have to consider should I take that extra, or compromise the fantasy (because in reality that is what this is, a fantasy of some sort). I also am not overly fond of wild fluctuations in the tip once it has been established at some point in time. (I could care less about the 5 increase in room fee.)
I appreciate the concept of a standard for the tip, because I think that benefits both parties. The ladies know what to expect in providing the service and we know in accepting it. I think a valid benchmark already exists in the touring independents that visit both Calgary and Edmonton. Trawlers amount I think is close to that median. It would however, be hypocritical to visit Julia last week and accept her Edmonton GFE amount and then not provide that same amount for the same level of service to any of the ladies of Supreme. My observation is that any of these touring ladies establishes the boundaries of behavior and that anything else within those boundaries is for both to fully enjoy. Because I ask for black lingerie and garters and stocking has never constituted an extra charge.
I hope this is not construed as a rant but rather some comments about this sensitive issue to all.
I agree with many of the points being made by both hobbyists and provides. As both Trawler and Gabby mentioned I full agree it is the lady that is prime when I consider who I might see. I have been to many of the studios not because I wish to visit them all but rather because a lady in particular who I had met and fully enjoyed and appreciated had for one reason or another moved locations. The environment that the studio possesses is also a factor. All thing being equal, I would certainly prefer Supreme to Paradise or Kama Sutra.
I feel that I treat the ladies with a high level of respect. This happens in many ways. Since I travel from out of town, this is not a spur of the moment hobby. Appts are made in advance and I show up as promised and on time. I respect the ladies time by sticking to our agreed time frame. In the rare event that I am either early or late a courtesy phone call is made to deliver the news.
I will often make a request for the session. It might for a bauble to enjoy, a particular look or color, but only if it exists in her “bag”. If it does not we either move to something else or discuss the option of acquiring it. I have now bought one bauble three times at the same store. Good thing they do not recognize for the same thing.
When the request is first made, if significant, I will inquire as to the “tip”. I do not like to negotiate about it but rather think that if is stated it is my option to accept or decline. For my last two visits, in both cases, the amount was acceptable, was accepted, delivered, and a modest tip included. I am not a large tipper, by any means. Selfishly perhaps, I prefer to focus the reward on the mementoes and by being loyal, supportive of great service, and by returning as often as possible. That sometimes is manufacturing a reason to travel to Edmonton and arranging a visit with the favorite, sometimes weeks in advance.
As was declared by TOFFT and confirmed by Tiffany, (one of the twins?) I do appreciate being rewarded for making return visits. I do not look so much as to some discount although that is nice. But rather prefer to take the approach that something that might be considered an extra, be added in. I suppose one could say that is a discount of sorts. So be it. I do not like this approach of here is our full service price and now we get to the gravy of the extras and their cost. I know that I do not want to have to consider should I take that extra, or compromise the fantasy (because in reality that is what this is, a fantasy of some sort). I also am not overly fond of wild fluctuations in the tip once it has been established at some point in time. (I could care less about the 5 increase in room fee.)
I appreciate the concept of a standard for the tip, because I think that benefits both parties. The ladies know what to expect in providing the service and we know in accepting it. I think a valid benchmark already exists in the touring independents that visit both Calgary and Edmonton. Trawlers amount I think is close to that median. It would however, be hypocritical to visit Julia last week and accept her Edmonton GFE amount and then not provide that same amount for the same level of service to any of the ladies of Supreme. My observation is that any of these touring ladies establishes the boundaries of behavior and that anything else within those boundaries is for both to fully enjoy. Because I ask for black lingerie and garters and stocking has never constituted an extra charge.
I hope this is not construed as a rant but rather some comments about this sensitive issue to all.
CHESTY said:
Chesty, welcome back to the board. I have always loved your attitude and your approach to us guys on the board. You seem to know what this buisness is all about. You've also succeeded in reminding me that it's been way too long since I've paid a visit to Ambrosia. Chances are I might not even recognise anyone who works there anymore, except for Jenna. Is she still there?
Chesty, if possible can you PM me with your schedule. I'd love to come and meet you sometime and see if you live up to your nickname.
Bieng a long time lurker it is interesting that it takes a topic such as this to spurn me to making a reply.
Comming from Calgary, the tentative pricing structure had me somewhat concerened as to what impact it would have on Calgary pricing. I enjoy the hobby but am not quite ready to hand over the keys to my car when I walk in the door to my favorite studio. I then realized that the Edmonton pooners are to smart to allow price fixing to dictate pricing. For the most part I believe that most pooners do not want to pay a girl less than what she believes she is worth. If funds were not an issue we would probably pay here more because we want her to know how much we appreciate what she does for us. Reality of course has most of us walking through the doors with definite bottoms to our pockets. Yes Tiffany I'm sure you and all of the other top providers work very hard to keep yourselves in the shape that qualifies you as a woman of our fantasies. Unfortunately economics dictate the price not the amount of work and effort that you may put in. Ask an NHL hockey player.
Some studios have been referrred to as low end. Low end i feel is a perception by some definetly not all. Is Walmart considered low end? Who hasn't shopped there. As always the consumer will dictate the market not the other way around. Market testing is a fundamental part of business and it wouldn't be prudent for for the ladies to establish what the market will bear. Just remember that what we are prepared to pay when we walk through the door gives the providers with the information they need to set the market. If we pay it we can't complain about it.
Comming from Calgary, the tentative pricing structure had me somewhat concerened as to what impact it would have on Calgary pricing. I enjoy the hobby but am not quite ready to hand over the keys to my car when I walk in the door to my favorite studio. I then realized that the Edmonton pooners are to smart to allow price fixing to dictate pricing. For the most part I believe that most pooners do not want to pay a girl less than what she believes she is worth. If funds were not an issue we would probably pay here more because we want her to know how much we appreciate what she does for us. Reality of course has most of us walking through the doors with definite bottoms to our pockets. Yes Tiffany I'm sure you and all of the other top providers work very hard to keep yourselves in the shape that qualifies you as a woman of our fantasies. Unfortunately economics dictate the price not the amount of work and effort that you may put in. Ask an NHL hockey player.
Some studios have been referrred to as low end. Low end i feel is a perception by some definetly not all. Is Walmart considered low end? Who hasn't shopped there. As always the consumer will dictate the market not the other way around. Market testing is a fundamental part of business and it wouldn't be prudent for for the ladies to establish what the market will bear. Just remember that what we are prepared to pay when we walk through the door gives the providers with the information they need to set the market. If we pay it we can't complain about it.
There are some valid concerns and points made by all in this thread. I think that the girls are ultimately trying to find a happy medium in pricing. When the costs of owning a studio rise, that is passed onto the girls and then to the client. It is a business afterall and the amount earned shouldn't fall each year. I'm in no way saying a huge price increase is necessary, but it would be nice if some of the studios fell in line with each other and the client's knew what to expect no matter where they choose to visit.
Also, I wouldn't really compare us gals to NHL players gOtgame. But, if you'd like to use that example, the best players are the most sought after by the teams and therefore are indeed the highest earners. You have a choice as to what you are willing to pay and you shouldn't be asked for amounts that are ridiculously out of line to what you would pay at a different studio. But, I don't think that a slight increase will really cause a big change in business. Competition will always keep pricing in line, but that doesn't mean that the prices will remain unchanged forever. It's just a matter of finding a fair and acceptable price to both the clients and the SP's.
My two cents... wink...
Also, I wouldn't really compare us gals to NHL players gOtgame. But, if you'd like to use that example, the best players are the most sought after by the teams and therefore are indeed the highest earners. You have a choice as to what you are willing to pay and you shouldn't be asked for amounts that are ridiculously out of line to what you would pay at a different studio. But, I don't think that a slight increase will really cause a big change in business. Competition will always keep pricing in line, but that doesn't mean that the prices will remain unchanged forever. It's just a matter of finding a fair and acceptable price to both the clients and the SP's.
My two cents... wink...
Full Service
I agree that full service should be full service I am also one that knows what he is going to pay for a session before I walk in the door and so far haven't had any compliants from the girls.BUT!!
I also realize that things like utilities ect. and now I found out the Edmonton Sun have taken big increases in the past year and of course part of these increases are passed on to the girls.Most guys don't seem to realize how little a girl keeps after a basic.
When I find a girl that we both have a good time and want to see her again I pay the same fee no matter what we do I then do research and try and cover her studio costs.We have a studio here openly telling us room fees went up 5 it could be more to the girl we don't know.
To the girls at Supreme I have met I will gladly pay the 5 and it won't come from your end as any service I have received there has been excellent so far.
I agree that full service should be full service I am also one that knows what he is going to pay for a session before I walk in the door and so far haven't had any compliants from the girls.BUT!!
I also realize that things like utilities ect. and now I found out the Edmonton Sun have taken big increases in the past year and of course part of these increases are passed on to the girls.Most guys don't seem to realize how little a girl keeps after a basic.
When I find a girl that we both have a good time and want to see her again I pay the same fee no matter what we do I then do research and try and cover her studio costs.We have a studio here openly telling us room fees went up 5 it could be more to the girl we don't know.
To the girls at Supreme I have met I will gladly pay the 5 and it won't come from your end as any service I have received there has been excellent so far.
Hi Sandy ...
as long as YOU (and Jill) hang out there you will always have my business. It is nice to have new studio DIGS but it is better to have quality OWNERS who are also DOLLS running it.
I know, you do not need my best wishes, you will be successful given your M.O. None the less, I do pass along my best wishes and I am certainly anxious to see your new STUDIO and:
1. Lilith - my dream SP at the MP;
2. Gabrielle - a little taste (punn intended) of California;
3. Cara - the sweetest disposition in the business;
4. GiGi - has kicked the s..t out of the Energizer Bunny more than once;
5. Sandy - with her legendary bodyslide;
6. Robyn - a personal favorite of mine. Oh those lips;
7. Amy - never had the pleasure but she looks simply delicious;
8. Ava - growl, gotta visitb her sometime;
9. Leah (Jill) - never had the pleausre but she still has my respect for the way she treats her staff and the admiration they have for her; and
10. For those I forgot, please forgive me, I am ideed becoming a little senile.
as long as YOU (and Jill) hang out there you will always have my business. It is nice to have new studio DIGS but it is better to have quality OWNERS who are also DOLLS running it.
I know, you do not need my best wishes, you will be successful given your M.O. None the less, I do pass along my best wishes and I am certainly anxious to see your new STUDIO and:
1. Lilith - my dream SP at the MP;
2. Gabrielle - a little taste (punn intended) of California;
3. Cara - the sweetest disposition in the business;
4. GiGi - has kicked the s..t out of the Energizer Bunny more than once;
5. Sandy - with her legendary bodyslide;
6. Robyn - a personal favorite of mine. Oh those lips;
7. Amy - never had the pleasure but she looks simply delicious;
8. Ava - growl, gotta visitb her sometime;
9. Leah (Jill) - never had the pleausre but she still has my respect for the way she treats her staff and the admiration they have for her; and
10. For those I forgot, please forgive me, I am ideed becoming a little senile.
thanks for all the feedback!!
really nice to see the girls and guys get involved in this. i hope those reading this realize that this really has nothing to do with price fixing, as there are still price ranges for services and always will be. realistically, prices across the board have not changed. i know my prices are where they have always been, just as the majority of staff at supreme. i have always been a strong believer in that you get what you pay for...and usually then some!
note to chesty...i remember a day when i came in for an interview there at ambrosia, just to be told that the girls from paradise didn't charge enough. then i went to supreme. FYI
yes, toftt, your 4 visits definately count...if only i knew who exactly you were!! we value our regulars and we know how hard you work to be able to come patronage our MP's...and i know i wouldn't have my regs (or anyone else) by charging them more and more with each visit.
i really hope this issue has been cleared up. just as before...review your experiences here on perb! everyone's reading!!
and yes, i was trying to use all the smiles i could. i love the new look of this forum!
really nice to see the girls and guys get involved in this. i hope those reading this realize that this really has nothing to do with price fixing, as there are still price ranges for services and always will be. realistically, prices across the board have not changed. i know my prices are where they have always been, just as the majority of staff at supreme. i have always been a strong believer in that you get what you pay for...and usually then some!
note to chesty...i remember a day when i came in for an interview there at ambrosia, just to be told that the girls from paradise didn't charge enough. then i went to supreme. FYI
yes, toftt, your 4 visits definately count...if only i knew who exactly you were!! we value our regulars and we know how hard you work to be able to come patronage our MP's...and i know i wouldn't have my regs (or anyone else) by charging them more and more with each visit.
i really hope this issue has been cleared up. just as before...review your experiences here on perb! everyone's reading!!
and yes, i was trying to use all the smiles i could. i love the new look of this forum!
It's nice to see how everyone can discuss such a potentialy explosive subject and all be civil. Possibly it was not the best reference but Lauren you may have misunderstood my reference to the hockey players. It was simply to illustrate how setting a price on the basis of someones percieved worth can lead into a situation where the NHL is now. Again in hindsight possibly not the best example. I will say that even though I have not had the pleasure, from what I have read you are the Wayne Gretzky of the industry.
Only Gretzky?,g0tgame said:
Try Gordie Howe or Bobby Hull, NOW they were the cream of the crop in the pre-expansion days, long live the original 6!!!!!!!!!!!
There seems to be two issues here. Cost of the room and the cost of extras.
Every business has a right to make a fair profit. When inflation and cost increases cut into reasonable profits a business has to pass that along to their customers. The question is, is $5/session a fair increase; is this on par with inflation?
For that we need some historical data. I have no idea when the last increase in room fees were. I haven't been a client for that long If I assume that there hasn't been a increase since the year 2000 then we can do some math.
Inflation from 2000-2004 was 10.29%.
$25 in 2000 should be $27.57 today. A increase of $2.57.
$45 in 2000 should be $49.63 today. A increase of $4.63.
If there has been no price increases in room costs since 2000, and since I don't want to deal with toonies, $5/session seems reasonable. Some of you old timers will have to tell us when the last room increase was.
When it comes to tips for extras we can't use inflation as an index. Inflation takes into count everyone is paying taxes. All SPs I know don't declare their tips on their taxes. I can't see any SP justifying a increase in her rates from inflation or from the cost of living. There are lots of other reasons to increase or decrease price, supply and demand being the main one.
Like all consumers clients really only have one voice that matters, money. If you don't like the price, use your feet (or your hand). Eventually supply and demand will find a reasonable price.
Every business has a right to make a fair profit. When inflation and cost increases cut into reasonable profits a business has to pass that along to their customers. The question is, is $5/session a fair increase; is this on par with inflation?
For that we need some historical data. I have no idea when the last increase in room fees were. I haven't been a client for that long
If I assume that there hasn't been a increase since the year 2000 then we can do some math. Inflation from 2000-2004 was 10.29%.
$25 in 2000 should be $27.57 today. A increase of $2.57.
$45 in 2000 should be $49.63 today. A increase of $4.63.
If there has been no price increases in room costs since 2000, and since I don't want to deal with toonies, $5/session seems reasonable. Some of you old timers will have to tell us when the last room increase was.
When it comes to tips for extras we can't use inflation as an index. Inflation takes into count everyone is paying taxes. All SPs I know don't declare their tips on their taxes. I can't see any SP justifying a increase in her rates from inflation or from the cost of living. There are lots of other reasons to increase or decrease price, supply and demand being the main one.
Like all consumers clients really only have one voice that matters, money. If you don't like the price, use your feet (or your hand). Eventually supply and demand will find a reasonable price.
To all SPs who declare all their income and pay all of their taxes, my apology.gabrielle said:
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taxes and cash businesses in general... a rant
With any cash business including SPs, i am sure the majority don't pay complete taxes sorry to say. I think it would be very difficult to convince me otherwise. Hairstylists, restaurants everything I know quite a few of these people and surely don't pay the taxes that they should be paying.
For one... I would find it hard to believe that the individual doing the cash transactions could keep track of all the money they are earning, not necesssarily that they are dishonest, but i wouldn't believe it if they told me they paid COMPLETE taxes. They might pay some,but not their fair share according to the law. If lots of sp were to pay taxes they would be highest tax bracket in Canada, not all but lots of them would be. There is just no way the government can prove anything with cash transactions. I am sure there are some honest people out there, i won't paint everybody with same brush, but there are alot of unreported transactions, and this is common knowledge, not just with sps, but many other businesses. So please don't try to convince me otherwise Sorry but if you get paid by the government or any other large institution like me it is difficult to cheat taxes, and in the long run these people that are equally hard working subsidize those who are unfairly cheating the system. So it is a bit of bitterness I am not saying sps are the ONLY ones that do it.... so don't get me wrong! Its just a rant in general, but nothing we can do about it. I call bs if somewhat in this business tells me they pay full taxes, my apologies but i really do find it difficult to believe, wouldn't you?
Anyways... taxes are too high in canada. We subsidize those crack heads on welfare walking about downtown and begging us for money to serve them alcohol. I am not much of a socialist but very right wing
Also correct me if i am wrong but i believe massage licenses are 200?? Lots of escorts don't work with licenses, same goes with sps. But that is their choice and a risk I personnally wouldn't take. Thats part of the reason in calgary there are so many busts. In Edmonton vice has checked a few studios recently, and a few girls got busted that I know of....
With any cash business including SPs, i am sure the majority don't pay complete taxes sorry to say. I think it would be very difficult to convince me otherwise. Hairstylists, restaurants everything I know quite a few of these people and surely don't pay the taxes that they should be paying.
For one... I would find it hard to believe that the individual doing the cash transactions could keep track of all the money they are earning, not necesssarily that they are dishonest, but i wouldn't believe it if they told me they paid COMPLETE taxes. They might pay some,but not their fair share according to the law. If lots of sp were to pay taxes they would be highest tax bracket in Canada, not all but lots of them would be. There is just no way the government can prove anything with cash transactions. I am sure there are some honest people out there, i won't paint everybody with same brush, but there are alot of unreported transactions, and this is common knowledge, not just with sps, but many other businesses. So please don't try to convince me otherwise
Sorry but if you get paid by the government or any other large institution like me it is difficult to cheat taxes, and in the long run these people that are equally hard working subsidize those who are unfairly cheating the system. So it is a bit of bitterness I am not saying sps are the ONLY ones that do it.... so don't get me wrong! Its just a rant in general, but nothing we can do about it. I call bs if somewhat in this business tells me they pay full taxes, my apologies but i really do find it difficult to believe, wouldn't you?Anyways... taxes are too high in canada. We subsidize those crack heads on welfare walking about downtown and begging us for money to serve them alcohol. I am not much of a socialist but very right wing
Also correct me if i am wrong but i believe massage licenses are 200?? Lots of escorts don't work with licenses, same goes with sps. But that is their choice and a risk I personnally wouldn't take. Thats part of the reason in calgary there are so many busts. In Edmonton vice has checked a few studios recently, and a few girls got busted that I know of....
Right. A license is not a tax.threepeat said:
I have no idea what a SP makes but I'll take a guess:
3 shifts a week
3 clients per shift
$150 average per client
40 weeks a year
3 * 3 * 40 * 150 = $54000
That puts a SP into the combined Alberta Federal 32% tax bracket
54000 * .32 = 17280.00
That's assuming the SP hasn't set herself up as a business and hasn't taken any tax deductions for business expenses, such as a business license.
17k is much larger then a $60 Massage Practitioner's license, or a $1638 Independent Escort license.
But taxes are far from the point of the thread.
The point is that the the new Supreme sounds good, Gabrielle sounds better, and a $5 price increase is probably justified.
Cartel?
The P3 studios will control supply and pricing and hence are the P3 cartel: Providers of Premium Pussy
I was thinking about this thread as I was driving into town. The OPEC cartel came to mind, now what could we call this? After a few minutes I thought of tying in another 'in the news' term and will now refer to this as the P3 cartel.MrMethos said:
The P3 studios will control supply and pricing and hence are the P3 cartel: Providers of Premium Pussy
