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The move FROM HELL!!! What would you do? What can I do?

Miss*Bijou

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OK..

This is a request for advice but also a rant, so yes it's long so if your little eyes tend to get tired or you can't read more than a few sentences -- don't read it. Simple. So honestly, if anyone starts whining about it being too long... Frankly my dear, I don't give a flying fuck !.. errr.. I mean, a damn. I don't give a damn. So illiterates and whiners, keep out. <a href="http://www.clipartof.com"><img src="http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/1128_flipping_off_and_sticking_tongue_out.gif" alt="Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com" border="0"></a>

Oh and to those sensitive boys who get offended by a lady swearing, come right in.. I promise I don't do any swearing here at all. <a href="http://www.clipartof.com"><img src="http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/676_devil_with_tail.gif" alt="Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com" border="0"></a>



The last few days have just been totally up in the air as my move (from my apartment) was anything but smooth and the result is that my landlord and I are now not parting on such good term... and not quite parting yet because he is trying to come up with any ridiculous excuse to keep my deposits. I paid both a damage and pet deposit so it's a big amount.


Basically it started when the father came in way before the deadline of 1pm and freaked out because the carpet cleaners were on their way and I still had not cleared up the carpets of a few items. I was running late, I admit it. But he had no right to do what he did to me. Basically the ppl who had agreed to move me backed out at the last minute, leaving screwed and trying to resolve it. I had a couple friends helping out a little but he was so intimidating and annoying that it didn't take long for them to bolt...... leaving me...... alone....... to move all my stuff....... I was freaking out.


But if that wasn't bad enough, he paid no attention to my suggestion to get everything off the carpet and onto the floors that did not require cleaning, so the cleaners could get their job done and so I..... could figure out a solution and organize my belongings. Knowing I wasn't shipping my things right away because I wasn't heading back to Montreal for another few weeks, I had to figure out what was going to storage and what I needed to keep with me. But that wasn't good enough for that fucknut and he decided that the hallway was the right place for my stuff... after all, he said, it's all got to be moved anyway. And he laughed like he'd just said something clever. Well the bastard did not stick to furniture or boxes of my already packed belongings.... no, he thought he would take it upon himself to pack the things I had not yet packed myself.... from my bathroom! That piece of shit just dumped whatever he came across in my bathroom, is my kitchen drawers, ANYTHING he saw, he just dumped (and I do mean DUMPED, what he did does NOT qualify as packing) in random boxes that were placed on the floor in the hallway, along with ALL of my belongings. All over. Everywhere. And then once the carpets were clean, the suite was empty and he was satisfied, he said it was passed 1pm, the moving deadline was up and since the place hadn't been cleaned (not my choice, he was kicking me out the door!), he would need to hire someone to come clean the next morning and it would be deducted from my deposit. He took my keys and left me one of the fobs so I could get up down the elevator. (Better not drink to much water, I won't have anywhere to go use the washroom if I need to go!).


But before he left, he asked me how much I was asking for the portable A/C unit I had not sold yet either. I'm not sure why he even asked because the amount he told me he'd pay for it was completely ridiculous, but I guess he figured I would go along with it (which I did) because I didn't have much choice (which I didn't) or else I'd be stuck with one more heavy and big item to move (which I would) so he just figured he take advantage of the situation he'd created, put me in and was leaving me in, and he took it all the way, took advantage as much as he could and got himself a sweet deal on a barely used A/C.

<a href="http://www.clipartof.com"><img src="http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/1930_.gif" alt="Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com" border="0"></a>FUCKER! FUCKING CHEESEBALL WEASEL PIECE OF SHIT. (Aaaah sorry, but it feels good to write it because I never got to say it!)


Honestly, I was so upset, stunned, panicked, confused and I couldn't believe how things work here in regards to moving (totally different in Montreal.. and I mean, different planet kind of different) and I had no freaking idea what I was going to do to get my stuff out of there alone that I couldn't react at all. Neither good or bad, mad or crying.... nothing. I knew that if I so much as went just the tiniest to either of these, I would lose it. Like LOSE IT. I did not think loasing it was a very productive option at that point and considering if I lost it, my dog was going to have to do all the moving herself and that's just not cool. LOL


So I just kept going and just thought about how much I wanted that day to end. It did, eventually. I got everything into the lobby, the building manager felt bad and was freaking out as this was also kind of a fire hazard, so she is actually is the one whop helped me get my KING-fucking-size bed down as well as my desk down to the lobby (which thankfully were the only large items left I had not sold) because as the driver for the storage container I was filling up told us, he just drove the truck, he did not do any lifting (Yah, thanks asshole) but once the building manager had left, he didn't have much choice but to help me with the bed at least, but as soon as he got it into the container, he was off to go buy himself a sandwich because he was fading, is what he informed me. Fine, whatever.Some random guy in my building stopped to ask me if I was really moving all the stuff by myself, said he'd seen me a few times in the past couple of hours but always moving something by myself.. Well Sherlock, that's some pretty impressive deduction and detective work. Did you figure out the part where you're helping me get the desk in the container yet? So he helped me get the desk in the Van and took off. I kept going and finally managed to get the container loaded up perfectly (I played lots of Tetris as a kid, guess it actually paid off that day.) By the time I got to sit down and take inventory of my blisters and bruises - it was 10pm. I had had to throw a bunch of my stuff out, being left with way too much already. I got my stuff into a Taxi Van and took my stuff, my dog and myself to a hotel...

I was just so relieved it was over finally.<a href="http://www.clipartof.com"><img src="http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/764_lighting_striking_a_smiley.gif" alt="Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com" border="0"></a>


But unfortunately, and I should have known or expected it considering the way things have gone, it was far from being over. The next day I got a message from the dumb father as well as a nasty email from his son who is the actual owner - freaking out that I had left tons of shit in my storage locker, (and that's when it started) that I had the day to get over there and empty it or they would force the lock and throw my stuff out. The he went on to say that I'd be charged a fee because I wasn't finished moving out by the 1pm deadline, a fee for cleaning because of much of mess the place was when I left it (drama queen, much?! Pfff. Fucking loser!), that now that the carpets had dried, burns and stains had appeared and I would be charged for that.. and the best part, that a special cleaning team would have to be called in because Molly Maid (!) had been unable to get the dog hair off the blinds! lol Then a short time after the first one, there was another email from him, rather short this time, telling me 'no worries about the locker, my father had the wrong one'. WTF?! No kidding he had the wrong one, I was there until 10pm throwing out some of my belongings because your wanker father locked me out with all my shit all over the place!


Anyway, I replied a bunch of stuff (I do mean A LOT of stuff! lol) like, hello? if you were already going to charge me for staying passed 1pm, why the fuck did you not say so then? If I'd known this is what happens, I'd have said fine, I'll pay your stupid fee, now get the fuck out of my way so I can get some movers asap, get out of my face and let me pack my shit and clean properly (and avoid the cleaning fee!)... Now, not only was there no one even waiting to move into the suite that day, I was rushed, made to feel like shit, my stuff dumped all over the place, my personal belongings taken and thrown anywhere, I have to pay the late fee AND the cleaning fee? WTF?


Another thing I said, and I didn't hide my sarcasm for that one, is that it was unacceptable to have a 'special cleaning team' come in, at my expense, because you hired a cleaning company who can't get dog hair off blinds? :rolleyes: I promise I didn't super glue them to the blinds..
(And I did say exactly that too!<a href="http://www.clipartof.com"><img src="http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/790_smiley_picking_a_fight.gif" alt="Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com" border="0"></a>)
I can imagine they might not come off if using a vacuum as it's a pretty awkward surface (cheap blinds) and those hair are hard to get out that way. But it doesn't take special equipment, or special skills or a special fucking cleaning team to get dog hair off blinds! All it takes is a few brain cells, a little thinking and some creative problem solving...... and maybe..... some lint remover sticky roll things you buy at any fucking store for $5! Maybe I should have left the ones I bought myself for that purpose, so they might get a fucking clue? What the hell kind of cleaning company is that anyway? (He never responded about this one, but there was no further mention of the 'special cleaning team' 'dog hair removal' and the 'blinds' disappeared from his 'outstanding issues' list and the whole topic was not brought up again.) I mean, come on!!! Give me a break!

LOL
And it felt good. But damn, it's so true! Are you that fucking retarded? Anyway, there's lots more but basically there's no way they had any right to remove my belongings like that. They had no right to even say a word before it was 1pm. And even if I wasn't out by 1pm, all they could do is charge me a fee. And from what I gather from what I've started to read up on, any amount they want to deduct from my damage deposits can only be taken off if they have MY CONSENT. They should have just left it alone once the move was done, because they were getting away with A LOT more than I am now going to let slide by. The only thing is that it's going to be a pain in the ass, annoying and really time consuming.
But fuck, the way I was treated is NOT fucking right. <a href="http://www.clipartof.com"><img src="http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/thumbnail2/774_smiley_getting_kicked_in_the_balls.gif" alt="Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com" border="0"></a>



So.... the reason I'm sharing this little (yet very LOOOOOONG) moving adventure of mine?


Has anything like this every happened to any of you? How did you deal with it? What can I do? What should I do?

I will be talking to the BC Rental board (or whatever it's called) and so far I gather that I'll have to file a dispute form or something.. but how do these things usually go? Do they take forever?

Is it worth it? (I think no matter what, at this point it feel worth it for me though.) How do they get resolved?
 

Miss*Bijou

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oh.. yeah....

Just because I didn't have enough going on, yesterday when I checked my phone messages..



The guy from the storage company left me a message saying that because he had to wait around for me to load the storage container, the jerk says I now owe him something like $130 on top of the $300 I already paid him! They had a 2 month minimum @ $75, their rip off container delivery/pick up fee was $125 and a couple of other charges. He never said anything about a fee for waiting around, he told me he would be waiting. Period. Not like he helped me or even waited around, he took off to go have a sandwich!


The contract has a space for any driver waiting time charges, which he didn't fill out or include any amount whatsoever... and now 2 days later, he tells me I need to pay him. The guy was so lazy - the only reason he said he would wait around instead of leaving the container, is so he wouldn't have to come back all the way from Delta again the next day so he could pick up the container. If I'd had any help, it would most likely have taken the same time as the stuff would have needed to be moved from the 25th floor - but since I was alone, I made sure to have had already moved almost everything down to the entrance and a few feet from where he parked his truck!


The guy is such a rip off it's no surprise he was the only one available on moving day! I'm going to tell him to kiss my !*!*! .... no, i won't really say that but I'm not paying him a dime more! Although at this point, I would not be surprised if he has some kind of explanation that gives him every right to charge me again. Ugh.




Maybe I have some kind of sign that says: ' Please Screw me! Please just rip me off, it makes me hot!' - I'm not aware of...? :confused:

Seems everyone's trying to, so I figure I must be missing something here....?! Or is it that I'm a woman alone, an easy target so worth a try?? What? Cause I'd sure like to know so I can do something about it and not have to deal with it in the future...:mad:
 

Dr.Weedsmoker

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Wow,


Miss Bijou, so sorry for all that you went through! I have also been shafted by landlords but i didnt choose to do anything about it. Please DO! Adrianna is right...........i thought it took a long time and was a pain in the ass but after the fact i was told by several friends that did take action on asswipe landlords and got everything they asked for.

It's unfortunate that you had to go through all this. The only other advice that i would give you ( which you probably already know) is get everything in writing!


Dr W.
 

Owudoin

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Don't know what the laws are like in BC...so I can't say what you can do or can't. When was this? Did you pay for the whole month's rent? Did they do a move in/move out inspection with you? As far as the moving guy saying after the fact that you need to pay extra...don't. It wasn't on the contract so they're hooped there. If they charge your credit card, call the card company and get it charged back...you'll have no problem there.
The landlord taking your keys and booting you...doesn't sound too kosher so I'd take that up with the Landlord Tennant board. Also, if they didn't do a move out inspection, how can they prove what was clean and what wasn't? They can't so they don't have a leg to stand on. Don't forget to get the interest accrued off the damage/pet deposit. That's yours...not theirs. Most likely they're trying to push you around because they think you won't do anything about it and hey, let's face it...almost making someone cry is one of the best ways to help you forget that you have a small cock....

what? is that too far? i can never tell....my bad
 

HushWeb

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OK..

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love it.

My personal favorite cutdown is "Fucking Mother-Fucking, Fuck-Fucking Fuck!!'

Take it to the Landlord and Tennant Board. Then they will contact your landlord to get his side of the story.... then watch as these charges magically dissapear (hopefully)...

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SexyBoy

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Man is she ever sexy when she is upset.


Get a guy with in a suit and tie walking around taking pictures and documenting things.

He can give him a card letting him know he is a lawyer :)

Then he can ask where he wants the letter mailed to. Don't settle in small claims file it right to court of queens bench.

Then go have sex with your lawyer on the bed in the stairs.
 

SeaToSky

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I'd like to hear others' sides of the story. The landlord would probably begin with "I couldn't wait to get rid of that stupid bitch!".

As far as charging for wait time, well, that's normal. How would you like it if half way thru the session, your client got a call and says to you: "Oh wait, something just came up, I have to make a few calls, send a few emails, drop off some papers, have a cup of coffee, use the bathroom. I'll be back in an hour. You wait for me, for free, but feel free to get a sandwich while you wait." ?
 

Pantherdash

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Fight him to the bitter end! HE WILL NOT WIN!

A move is stressful enough without assholes like this pair of aces. In fact they bank on the stress you are going through to get you to right off the deposits and forget about it. The money's in their hands (or their agent's hands who works for them) so they can dip into it whenever they want. It's profit to them and most of the time people don't bother claiming it back because they think it's too time consuming. These guys know all the tricks. Go after these motherfuckers, because it's worth it!

Write them a registered mail letter informing them of your new mailing address and after they receive that, they have 15 days to return your deposit and/or make claims against them. They are only able to take one or the other deposit, they can't take both. They have to clearly justify their claim with the Residential Tenency Office and you. The condition of the apartment upon moving out MUST be documented in a move out condition report--basically a walk-thru inspection with the owner or landlord which both parties sign at the conclusion of the walk-thru. It does not appear as if this was done, so there is no evidence to justify ANY claim from the deposit.

He's right though, you ARE supposed to be out of the apartment by 1pm of the 31st, but HE can't charge you for being late...it is the new party moving IN who can make an attempt through the court system to get compensation for extra money they have to pay any movers they have hired as a result of your tardiness. Since it doesn't appear as if anyone was moving in, this guy was just being an asshole and he should've just SHUT THE FUCK UP!:mad:

As for the moving company that wants to charge you extra for him being a LAZY FUCK, tell him where to shove that extra charge.:mad: Tell him to take you to court for it if he really wants it becase there is no way he can justify that charge. Some dude before mentioned that if you're charged for it call the credit card company and they'll reverse the charge. He's right.

Basically what these asswipes are doing to you is trying to cash in on and take advantage of your vulnerable and stressful state. They're on a fishing expedition, hoping you don't know better. Don't let them take ONE penny, not even for any legitimate damage that may have occured in the apartment.

Go to the Residential Tenancy Office on Kingsway in Burnaby in person in the morning (it's busy in the afternoon) and tell them your situation and ask for advice as to what you should do, because I am not an expert in this field. I only have an experience from the past similar to yours and fought it and recieved DOUBLE the damage deposit plus applicable interests after 2 years. The doubling was, I guess punitive damage arising out of NOT conforming to the regulations that they must abide by when renting you a suite. Any procedures not followed justifies this double charge, so if asshead didn't do a walk through with you, FUCK HIM and his retarded son--they owe you double. I think, with the humiliation they put you through they owe you at least that. There is a court filing fee of $50 and if your case merits it, you will be issued a court date in which both parties must attend.

Lastly, PM me the name and address of these two motherfuckers to bust in their kneecaps.:mad: People trying to cheaply take advantage of other people in very stressful times are of the same breed as looters in natural disaster situations. Shoot to kill!:D

Let 'em have it!

Panther
 

SexyBoy

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...Ummmm, she's in BC, not Alberta.

Panther
Fair enough

Take it too the The Provincial Court or the Supreme Court of British Columbia then.
 

Miss*Bijou

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I`d like to hear others` sides of the story. The landlord would probably begin with "I couldn`t wait to get rid of that stupid bitch!".

As far as charging for wait time, well, that`s normal. How would you like it if half way thru the session, your client got a call and says to you: "Oh wait, something just came up, I have to make a few calls, send a few emails, drop off some papers, have a cup of coffee, use the bathroom. I`ll be back in an hour. You wait for me, for free, but feel free to get a sandwich while you wait." ?

DId you make a point to reply so as not to feel like my warning was meant for you? I do remember you, you know..;)
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=67583&highlight=broken+heart
https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=609432&postcount=12

haha well well... did you actually read the whole long text this time? It`s a lot of words to take in all at once, isn`t it?
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So..... I guess hooked on phonics worked for you too! :p ;)



But in response to your comments - Whether the landlord couldn`t wait to get rid of me is IRRELEVANT. He could be dying to get rid of me so much he`s willing to sell his balls as delicacy, and he still would not have any right to do what he did.

And by the way, eventhough it really makes no difference, I`d always dealt with the son up until the time I gave my notice, and we never had a problem dealing with each other or resolving the issues we`ve come across. He`s always been cool and fair with me and I have with him as well. This all started when the father got involved, and he acted like a clueless tit about the whole thing. You can tell when someone is just looking for something to bitch about, and you can see how enjoyable it is for them when they do. He acted like a little bitch and a drama queen and blew everything way out of proportion completely unnecessarily. And he loved it. It`s exactly what I told his son after they both flipped out about the locker room that wasn`t even mine: He had the wrong locker because he was hoping I`d fucked up, and hoping he would get some kind of satisfaction from bitching about it. Like the annoying neighbor who sits at his window just waiting for someone to set one foot on his lawn, just so he can run out bitching and screaming. Small people.


His son is all the way in Toronto, so all he heard is his father having a panic attack about everything. No joke, he called him every 5 minutes in a panic about something or other, it was ridiculous. If the father had stayed home in his little controlled environment where everything is pre-planned and there are no surprises, and instead the owner himself had been handling it, I know things would never have escalated the way they did. The father needs to chill or stay home and send his wife instead, cause he`s eventually going to give himself a heart attack. It is not a matter of life or death for fucks sake. I wouldn`t want to see what the hell would happen if he actually had a real bad situation or tenant to deal with?


Hello? Who the fuck does that?
Just grab someone else`s stuff and throw it out in the hallway? The guy needs a course (or 2 or 3) on appropriate social behavior before anything else. Sorry, that`s not called being `civilized`. That`s called `stay home and watch the plants grow while you sit on your rocking chair so nothing unexpected gets you all worked up`. :rolleyes:


And the best part of all of this is that he`s a freakin` social worker! Ha! Now, that is hilarious! A quite a scary thought.:eek:

(I couldn`t wait to get the hell out of there myself.. I almost forgot what grass looked like. Ugh. Yaletown sucks donkey ass and the whole time I lived there, I was just grateful I wasn`t the sucker who had paid a ridiculous amount for the crap condo/building.):cool:



And as for the wait time charge.......

Well if charging for wait time is normal, he should have told me about it and not told me he`d be be waiting. I couldn`t care less if he`s waiting around or if he drops off the container and picks it up the next day, it makes no difference to me! But you know what that would have meant for him? He`d actually have to *gasp* work to get the container off the truck, would have had to drive back from Delta again the following day and once more have to *gasp* work to get the container back on the truck. So this waiting time was for him more than it was for me. ;)


If he wanted to to get paid for it, he should have just charged it when he made up the bill and contract. But he didn`t. Not my problem. Next time I`ll tell him not to wait, to leave the container and to come back to pick it up the next day. By being greedy now (and not too subtle or smart about it either) he`s just screwing himself in the end, really.:cool:
 

Miss*Bijou

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Write them a registered mail letter informing them of your new mailing address and after they receive that, they have 15 days to return your deposit and/or make claims against them. They are only able to take one or the other deposit, they can't take both. They have to clearly justify their claim with the Residential Tenency Office and you. The condition of the apartment upon moving out MUST be documented in a move out condition report--basically a walk-thru inspection with the owner or landlord which both parties sign at the conclusion of the walk-thru. It does not appear as if this was done, so there is no evidence to justify ANY claim from the deposit.

They already have a mailing address for me, I gave them my mother's address a month ago. The last email I got from him said he was having some 'carpet cleaning specialist' :rolleyes: come in on Saturday and would know then the amount he would be sending me. He said he would include an invoice detailing the charges deducted from my deposit. I asked for copies of all the bills (cleaning, repairs, whatever else 'special cleaning' charges they come up with by then..) but have no idea if he will as he made no comment about my request.


His father and I had the walkthrough and the only thing that was noted were 2 stains (and to which I agreed, as I knew of them but had hoped steam cleaning the carpets would get rid of the problem - which it unfortunately didn't). That's it, nothing else. (oh, he did mention nicks and scratches on wall :rolleyes: but that is normal wear and tear and thay haven't been brought up since then anyway). He checked out the entire apartment before the carpets were cleaned (because we couldn't walk on it for a few hours afterwards)... but they are now saying that the following day, once the carpet had dried after cleaning, his father returned to the apartment and then noticed spots all over the carpet! WTF? He was there before the carpets were cleaned, noticed the (2) stains I was also aware of........ and the suddenly once the carpet was cleaned, these mysterious spots magically appeared overnight ALL OVER?! Yah, ok. Nice try. :rolleyes:


The thing is, I had already had a patch of carpet repaired (That was a result of my last adventure -last month- when someone abandoned their HUGE 10 month old puppy, a rottie shepherd male who apparently had bad separation anxiety. The one and only time I tried to entertain last month, he managed to rip out a huge patch of carpet to let me know he would not tolerate a door between us! Needless to say that after that day, I complied. But that's an interesting tale for another day.. )and I gave them the name of the guy who had repaired it for me, because I didn't want to leave it for the landlord and new tenants to get stuck with on moving day (Ha! If only I'd known.. ). It was a great contact to have, as he had barely charged me anything because he worked on the original construction of the building, still works there, LIVES in the building and has the SAME carpets used for the suites... making it all a piece of cake for him. So I gave them his number for the repairs on the 2 stains.... and that's when the other 'spots' appeared, making it no longer possible to simply have this guy 'patch' the stained areas.... and therefore now requiring a 'stains/carpet cleaning specialist'... :rolleyes:


One thing that doesn't make sense to me...
If the landlord can only keep one of the deposits.... why the hell do they ask for two??? :confused:


And as far as the storage jackass goes, the only thing I am worried about, is him getting the bright idea to hold my belongings if I fail to pay.... which eventually allows them to sell my belongings to pay himself the amount I owe..... :eek:
 

FortunateOne

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If he did the walk-thru with you, what's done is done and he is not able to "add" to it, I believe. There are a number of things that are considered normal wear and tear, and repainting walls is (you are right) included in that. One landlord after a 4yr stint tried to deduct painting from my damdep once, and it had to go to arbitration. He lost.

Different story if there were holes in the walls, of course. :eek:
I guess you have 2 deposits for the apt and the pet, considering pet damage would be different than normal wear&tear damage? I suppose they could withhold one if damages were directly linked to above and beyond normal pet damages??

You can agree to cleaning expenses being deducted, within reason, and I have found this is the easiest way to vacate an apt and get them to approve the quality of the clean. It saves you the time and trouble and is usually reasonable . The main thing is that since they provide the service, they are going to approve the condition of the apt after cleaning, whereas if you do it yourself or hire your own, they tend to find the condition "lacking",

You MUST take it to the Residential Tenancy Office, the sooner the better, when you are having a dispute. Once you leave the province, it is going to be just that much harder to resolve things. Do all your dealings with the actual owner, let him know you've contacted the Office, and since he is that much easier to deal with, you'll probably find that there aren't any issues after all.
 
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