The FRIENDLY "monger travel" discussion thread: a chance to get it off your chest

[tantalizeme]

The FRIENDLY "monger travel" discussion thread: a chance to get it off your chest

There're lots of touring escorts—and lots of traveling mongers.

First off, terminology. We guys who enjoy paid sex call ourselves "pooners" in Canada. But as I found out on my overseas trips, most English-speaking play-for-pay aficionados refer to themselves as "mongers." So that's the term I'll use here for pooners who travel abroad to practice their hobby.

What's the big deal about monger travel? Speaking for myself, I see 4 main attractions:

1. The lure of adventure: Monger travel isn't just about sex—it's also about a heightened sense of adventure that's hard to feel in one's neighborhood stomping grounds.

2. The lure of more exotic partners: Even though Vancouver offers wonderful variety, I've found that exotic beauties in their full bloom are in short supply here, compared to a number of Shangri-las overseas.

3. The lure of better attitude and service: Again, I've certainly had great encounters locally, but it has been much more hit-and-miss than overseas. (Not a single bad poon on my last visit to the Philippines!)

4. The lure of budget-friendly prices: I admire the financial prowess of brothers who think nothing of spending $300 (or more) on a poon. But I'm by nature a bit of a binge pooner in the tradition of Hatrick—and, relative to my resources, I find the local cost of this hobby potentially ruinous and libido-killing.

It's amazing how wildly prices for FS vary from country to country: from $.60 in Bangladesh to top dollar in places like the US, Australia or Canada. http://www.havocscope.com/black-market-prices/prostitution-prices/
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I sense quite a bit of pent-up interest, among a segment of PERB brothers, in the potential delights of overseas mongering.

Of course, monger travel also comes with potential pitfalls. It raises a number of controversial issues that may be worth discussing. I hope we can have such a discussion here, in a way that's open, helpful and friendly.

 

[tantalizeme]

Are traveling mongers philanthropists?

From another thread: https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?200389-SP-Visits-amp-Blood-Tests-Revisited

If donating blood is that important to you, that`s obviously your choice. I can think of other ways to "contribute to society" without giving up the pleasures in life (hobbying) that i enjoy most.

For example poster Tantalizeme often practices philanthropy by providing employment for & giving extremely generous gifts (tips) to overseas ladies in need.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/philanthropy

PS...i was recently tested negative for HIV after engaging in many long sessions of SBBFS with street working P4P gals in VCR, SG & LOS over the past several years.

Lenny, he received a service from them first

according to your thinking every person who goes to a restaurant or receives a service is doing philanthropic work by giving a tip

which is what he did, he gave tips to sex workers

hardly what the definition of "out of the goodness of his heart" is or even remotely what the spirit of the phrase intends

he went half way around the world to take advantage of the economic conditions there

which is fine, his choice, but it isn`t philanthropic

if he also went out of his way to give to the some of the other 70 million or so poor there in anyway, without having sex with them, I might buy it

I`ll try and start deducting the tips with Revenue Canada and see how that goes :eyebrows:

I poon overseas for the same reason I poon locally: intense pleasure, health benefits & personal liberation. But overseas, if the service is great, I usually tip toward the higher end of the "reasonable tip" scale.

I try to be generous, without tipping so high as to be seen as a fool by SPs (or as a market spoiler by fellow mongers).

But I`ve certainly never claimed philanthropic intentions in my monger travels—except insofar as traveling mongers generally can be considered philanthropists, in the sense of redistributing cash from rich countries to poor countries.

I`m not sure whether brother overdone ever engaged in monger travel to a country that, like the Philippines, is in the bottom third of world`s wages. I must say, giving these wonderful ladies the equivalent of a week`s regular income for an hour`s passion does make you feel like somewhat of a philanthropist.

I tip my overseas SPs generously, even when I don`t expect to repeat—simply because I love to see the flicker of joy in their eyes. Is that selfish? Perhaps less so than most philanthropy. There`re very few "pure gifts" in this world, that come without ulterior motives or strings attached.

 

[tantalizeme]

Braving the anti-monger cruisade of US religious zealots

"They give me nothing," bargirl Conny said.

This in reply to my question, "Did the people who got the police to raid your bar—the International Justice Mission—give you money or help you in any other way?"

For over a year, Conny (name changed) worked in an Angeles bar in the Philippines. Three months ago, an American religious organization named International Justice Mission sent an "investigator" into her bar, specifically asking the mamasan for a girl below the legal age of 18. http://www.ijm.org/

When the mamasan foolishly complied, the IJM got the local police to raid the bar and temporarily close it (though it soon reopened under a new name). The girls employed by this bar—who, with one exception, were all over 18—spent 1 night in jail before being let go, with absolutely no help from the IJM or anyone else. Conny ended up finding a job in another bar.
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This wasn't the first time I heard about this NGO that calls itself "International Justice Mission." On my first visit to Angeles, the guide I hired warned me about them.

I found this warning hard to take seriously, given the sight of over a hundred bustling bars, thousands of mongers from all over the world, and perhaps 10 thousand girls freely offering erotic services.

Even today, Angeles remains a thriving epicentre of world mongering. If this isn't a pooner's Shangri-la, I don't know what is.

But before my recent 2nd visit, monger websites had been abuzz with reports of bar raids. Sure enough, most bars I visited suspended their backroom or upstairs "boom-boom" facilities and required a girl to be taken out to one's hotel. Many girls seemed a little more cautious and less free-spirited.

A few bars didn't want to hear the word "barfine" and talked about "early work release" instead. Two wine bars I had visited before, on Raymond St., were actually closed, with a 5-page legal document glued to the door. The document said, essentially, that a police raid was staged after "entrapment" by the International Justice Mission found a minor working there.
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A non-pooning highlight of my recent visit to Angeles was a 1 1/2-hr chat I had with illustrious brother Martin, a seasoned bar manager who's also the author of See How They Made Me: Memoirs of a Philippine Mongerer (to be found on www.asianescapades.com). He stressed the "twofold cause" of recent bar raids in Angeles and Subic:

1. A US-financed evangelical Christian outfit called the "International Justice Mission"—supported by people like Bill Gates, Hilary Clinton and the US State Department— uses the pretence of rescuing underage girls to prevail on the Philippine goverment to stage bar raids in exchange for US aid money—so Conservative politicians can boast to voters (and fundraisers can boast to religious donors) about "stopping the trafficking of children."

2. The low-paid Philippine police are notoriously corrupt, and they're running a "protection" racket that all the bars need to support. If a bar balks at paying a requested increase, the police may raid them under Philippine anti-prostitution laws—with or without underage girls on the premises.

 

[tantalizeme]

The IJM—effective in fighting Third World child prostitution?

The recent slate of bar raids—most of them apparently instigated by the IJM—weighed heavily on the minds of fellow mongers I talked to during my 2nd Philippine trip. Some brothers talked about taking their business elsewhere, and a few even predicted the demise of Angeles as one of the world's prime mongering destinations. http://www.margaritastation.com/bar_closures.php

I've since googled "International Justice Mission," and I'm not overly surprised by what I found: a US-based organization of religious zealots that capitalizes on people's horror of sexual slavery and child sex trafficking, and whose propaganda has been so successful that they got grants from former US Secretary of State Hilary Clinton and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, as well as lots and lots of US Christian conservatives.

Their method is designed to maximize emotion-triggering drama for fundraising purposes. First the IJM sends spies into a bar asking for the youngest girl they can produce. If the girl is under 18, they then get the local police to stage raids in countries like India, Thailand, Cambodia or the Philippines. They often film these raids, and then make extravagant claims of having "rescued" and "liberated" dozens of "trafficked" women.

There are several IJM propaganda videos on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=International+Justice+Mission

Here're some balanced reports on the methods used by IJM, for those interested:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/01/19/090119fa_fact_power An eloquent New Yorker article about Gary Haugen, the founder of IJM

http://humangoods.net/?p=510 Concise, informed article

http://www.theinvestigativefund.org...nal/1033/the_crusade_against_sex_trafficking/ Well-researched piece, quite critical of IJM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Justice_Mission The Wikipedia article on IJM includes the following:

IJM’s work of rescuing alleged victims from brothels has encountered criticism. Many brothels employ adult, non-trafficked workers that view sex work as the only means of supporting their families (due to lack of other opportunities), and return to the brothels. Some sex-worker advocates believe that the police involvement stimulated by IJM creates worse conditions for the women who want to be employed in the brothels.

IJM claims to have a protocol for their foreign police partners which includes these requirements: that the police protect the sex workers from the media, that the police assure the sex workers that they are not being arrested, and that organizations that provide social services to sex workers not be implicated in police enforcement operations. However, IJM embedded a film crew from the American television program "Dateline" to film a raid of a Cambodian brothel, in apparent disregard of this policy.

The botched raid resulted in the arrest of several non sex workers caught up in the raid, including a noodle seller who was denied medication by police and died in police custody. Further investigation revealed that many of the "rescued" sex workers escaped from an IJM "safe house" and returned voluntarily to brothels.

The International Union of Sex Workers criticises their practices as being founded in morality, which does not distinguish between consensual sex work and slavery, and that crackdowns drive prostitution further underground.

IJM has articulated a response to these criticisms, citing Human Rights Watch and other sources, that emphasizes the need for continued efforts to prevent child sexual trafficking.

 

[yazoo]

I used to live in the DTES - before my pooning years back when I was too proud to pay for it and consequently got nothing.

I did take a couple of the local girls out for supper... one from Victoria - 25 years old, a kid back home, spinner, no front teeth - a lot of fun to hang out with. Another, tall First Nations girl - body to die for; I was trying to get into her pants, but no money no honey.

But even back then the drugs were bad - I think that they were both using.

As far as Angeles and the IJM... I'm not too pessimistic. The American military is back and it created Angeles. There will be so much more money flowing into those bars now - far more than a few expats can provide. More bar funding of police services... the IJM will lose influence.

I'm definitely no apologist for the IJM, but if that bar did have underage then they deserve what they got.