The Federal NDP leadership race.

storm rider

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Yes Angry Tom Mulcair got kicked to the curb because of his utter failings compared to the wolf in sheeps clothing Jack Layton.These are the new leadership hopefulls and they ALL follow the filthy LEAP Manifesto.

Before you REACT....READ everything....this is was the NDP STANDS for and one of their biggest PLANKS is wealth redistribution....just like the commies in Russia in 1918.

In the midst of one debate in the NDP's 2012 leadership campaign, candidate Nathan Cullen noted that he was in "violent agreement" on policy with his rivals for the party's top job.

Five years and one Tom Mulcair later, not much has changed.

But while the four contestants vying for the NDP leadership this time are unanimous on many policies, there are a few points upon which they differ, as well as some unique proposals on the table.

Over the weekend, the candidates — Ontario MP Charlie Angus, Manitoba MP Niki Ashton, Quebec MP Guy Caron and Ontario MPP Jagmeet Singh — gathered for the last time before voting officially opens today. In the candidates showcase, they had the opportunity to connect with members, boast of their endorsements and lay out their vision for what an NDP under their respective leadership would look like.

About 124,000 members will be eligible to cast a ballot. The results of the first round of voting will be announced on Oct. 1.

Members won't only be making their choice based on the candidates' different styles. Here is where the candidates stand on the issues.

With some differences on the specifics, there are a few common threads in the candidates' economic policies. These include ending corporate bailouts, increasing the minimum wage in federally regulated industries to $15 per hour, making access to employment insurance easier and increasing taxes on the wealthy.

Additionally, the four candidates want more effort made to go after tax cheats and to close loopholes, would increase taxes on certain kinds of investments, bump up the corporate tax rate (to 19 per cent for Caron, 19.5 per cent for Singh and 21 per cent for Ashton) and tax the assets and inheritance of the wealthiest Canadians.

But some other individual policy proposals stand out.

Caron's signature policy plank is his basic income proposal, which would supplement the income of Canadians living below the low-income cut-off. This would top-up their incomes to roughly $18,000 to $25,000, depending on where the recipient lives.

Caron would also institute a seven-hour work day, without any drop in wages, to compensate for increasing automation in the workplace.

Angus wants to give workers the right of first refusal to purchase a closing business and restructure it as a worker co-operative. His platform includes incentives toward the creation of more co-operatives in Canada. He would also put in place measures to recognize the "new working class," namely those in temporary, contract and freelance employment. For example, he would exempt them from paying the employer portion of CPP.

Ashton would create a national post office bank to increase banking access, particularly in rural communities, and reduce banking costs.

Combating climate change

Climate change is listed as a priority for all four candidates. Consensus policies include setting more ambitious emissions targets, phasing out gas and diesel vehicles and replacing them with electric cars, eliminating subsidies to the fossil fuel industry, investing in the retrofitting of buildings to make them more energy efficient and opposition to pipelines like Trans Mountain, Energy East and Keystone XL — and the National Energy Board approval process that greenlights these projects.

Caron's platform includes some big investments in a green economy, including $32 billion for green renewable energy to help with the transition from oil; $10 billion over 10 years for electric high-speed rail and $18 billion for public transit. Caron would set a carbon price of $50 per tonne by 2020, increasing that to between $110 and $150 per tonne by 2026-2030.

Singh would create an independent officer of Parliament to be responsible for reporting on and measuring the government's progress in meeting emissions targets. He would also build a national east-to-west renewable electricity super-grid.

Ashton would like to develop cloud computing storage facilities in Canada powered by clean energy, while both she and Angus want to see the establishment of a Crown corporation to fund green projects. Angus would also set a national carbon budget, with yearly targets to be met by targeted carbon taxes, rebates, cap-and-trade programs and grants.

Electoral reform

New Democrats want to see Canada's first-past-the-post system changed into a system of mixed-member proportional representation, with both Ashton and Caron supporting the use of regional candidate lists.

Caron and Angus would both like to see a referendum on the change after two elections have been held under the a system.

Angus would also like to see Indigenous peoples specifically represented, for example through treaty region seats, and would make election day a national holiday. Caron, meanwhile, would make electoral reform a prerequisite for any alliance with another party in a minority government.

Reconciliation with Indigenous peoples

Raising levels of funding for Indigenous education, infrastructure and health care is another consensus priority for the four candidates. They would also like to see a nation-to-nation relationship with Indigenous peoples and the full adoption and implementation of the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and the report of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission.

Ashton also advocates reforms to the justice system to recognize the distinct needs of Indigenous peoples and address their overrepresentation in the prison population.

Angus would audit and dismantle the department of Indigenous and Northern Affairs, devolving programs and funding decisions to Indigenous communities. He'd also create an officer of Parliament position to report on the government's progress on Indigenous child welfare.

Free tuition, gender identity and drug decriminalization

Though not a complete list, here are some of the other proposals from each of the four candidates:

Ashton:

- A national pharmaceutical drug distribution agency to bulk buy drugs and reduce costs.

- Tuition-free post-secondary education and a national child-care program.

- More support for disabled Canadians.

- $10 billion for 40,000 new housing units per year.

- Giving transgender Canadians the option of non-binary gender identification on federal ID.

- Extending access to citizenship for all migrant and temporary foreign workers in Canada.

- Ending the practice of "carding," where police stop people and ask for ID.

Angus:

- Pharmacare with universal access to approved drugs.

- Eliminating post-secondary tuition.

- Significant investment in housing.

- Increasing GIS by $1,000/year.

- Doubling CPP and QPP benefits.

Caron:

- A new category for climate change refugees.

- Creation of a new tax crimes division in the Justice department.

Singh:

- Increase seniors' benefits by $4 billion with the institution of a single, income-tested benefit.

- Decriminalization of all drugs for personal possession.

- Ban racial profiling and end carding.

- Allow transgender people to choose non-binary gender options on federal ID.

- A basic income for Canadians with severe disabilities.

An inheritance tax?...yeah that is fucked and the only one I will mention.Say YOUR parents bought a home in a really nice neighborhood like Kitsilano back in the 1960's and worked for 40 years and then retired and then snuffed it and YOU inherit the property that is say worth 3 million....yes obviously you should be TAXED on that to pay for junkie assisted injection sites on the DTES or other such Socialist nonsense.
 

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As with any political goodie-bag, there are policies that I think would be practical and beneficial on those lists, and policies that I think would be just goofy.
 

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Ending "Carding" and at least greatly reducing post secondary tuition I think are good ideas. Some of the other ideas, not so much.
 

CrazedandAbused

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Who fucking cares?

Not one thing about creating jobs, keeping people employed or attracting investment.

God help this country if these socialist utopioids ever get elected.
 

Lo-ki

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Check your closet..:)
Who fucking cares?

Not one thing about creating jobs, keeping people employed or attracting investment.

God help this country if these socialist utopioids ever get elected.
My feeling exactly..................
 

storm rider

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Who fucking cares?

Not one thing about creating jobs, keeping people employed or attracting investment.

God help this country if these socialist utopioids ever get elected.
Uh yeah YOU should CARE....because if these inept Socialists who cant figure out basic math were to actually form a Federal government YOU are truly fucked.Say YOU own a 3 bedroom home in Vancouver and you luckily have it paid off through hard work.Well guess what that 3 bedroom home is an imperialist palace that is MORE than you NEED.Your home gets taken away and you get shoved into a 500 square foot state sponsored apartment and a "needfull family" gets your home.Lets say you have 900 grand in your RRSP's or even better in your TFSA....well that is taken away from you as you dont "NEED" it and it is given to a "needfull family"...got the idea yet?It is called Wealth Redistribution and it is the CORE NDP plank.

If the NDP EVER win a majority Government Federally the next day the slide in the stock market will make the Great Recession look like a fucking hiccup and personally I would sell my home and GTFO of this country as fast as fucking possible.

SR
 

storm rider

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Arguing over who is the worse politician is like arguing over whether the Los Zetas are worse than the Sinaloa Cartel.
In response to that my retort is....choosing the politician who will fuck you over the LEAST is the more important aspect.Best thing the Harper Conservatives gave Canadians was the TFSA....the Tax Free Savings Account and funny enough it can also mean That's Sweet Fuck All for you revenue canada....in that if you turn $46,000 into a couple MILLION it is TAX FREE.The Harper Government even doubled down and doubled the yearly limit to $10,000 but according to the multi-millionaire Trudeau who inherited his money THAT only benefited the "RICH" the TFSA was cut back to $5500.....yeah well the truly RICH in Canada such as the Thompson/Irving/McCain families etc are not worried about squirreling away 10 GRAND a year as their family fortunes are well protected.For the average Canadian being able to sock away 10 GRAND a year in a tax free account that also allows investments to compound tax free is a fucking god send and the best measure ever undertaken by Government.

SR
 

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In response to that my retort is....choosing the politician who will fuck you over the LEAST is the more important aspect.Best thing the Harper Conservatives gave Canadians was the TFSA....the Tax Free Savings Account and funny enough it can also mean That's Sweet Fuck All for you revenue canada....in that if you turn $46,000 into a couple MILLION it is TAX FREE.The Harper Government even doubled down and doubled the yearly limit to $10,000 but according to the multi-millionaire Trudeau who inherited his money THAT only benefited the "RICH" the TFSA was cut back to $5500.....yeah well the truly RICH in Canada such as the Thompson/Irving/McCain families etc are not worried about squirreling away 10 GRAND a year as their family fortunes are well protected.For the average Canadian being able to sock away 10 GRAND a year in a tax free account that also allows investments to compound tax free is a fucking god send and the best measure ever undertaken by Government.

SR
Cutting it in half still pisses me right off ,every time I talk to my Investors .....that and the fact that they tell me how great a year we are GOING to have, and in the next breath, make excuses for the last year.
I think I'm going to buy more property, so the Government can bend me over in twenty years with Capital Gains, or whatever new tax they dream up by then.
 

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Cutting it in half still pisses me right off ,every time I talk to my Investors .....that and the fact that they tell me how great a year we are GOING to have, and in the next breath, make excuses for the last year.
I think I'm going to buy more property, so the Government can bend me over in twenty years with Capital Gains, or whatever new tax they dream up by then.
Sybian, if you're standing on your own property and the gov't is knocking on your estates front gates wanting to
collect capital gains tax, then I would tell them. You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.
You'd probably cause Justine Trudeau to stagger and fall down from that comment. :lol:

Like Yvr stated and I couldn't have said it better. Let the gov't fear us. Not the other way around.
Hell, they work for us!! But we Canadians are to pussy to stand up to the jerks we vote into office.
Or, is it we are just complacent or to busy with our daily lives for it to matter any more?

And they merrily keep giving it to us in the ass with out so much as a thank you from us. :tsk:

It just seems we hardly ever get off our asses to tell the Gov't they way we want things to go.







..........................QM'r
 

Ray

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Voting is bullshit. It perpetuates a fucked up system. It accomplishes nothing. The answer is anarchy and revolution.
Voting to maintain the status quo is what perpetuates the system. People blindly voting along party lines. You can't be afraid to vote incumbents out of office. Politicians will scare you in saying if you vote for the opposition, the sky will fall. And their minions repeat this. You can see it here on this thread.
But for democracy to work well, you have to be willing to vote incumbents out of office to let them know they are accountable to the public.
 

sybian

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Complacency is part of it but so is settling for that you perceive as the least "worst" of the choices. It's like choosing "mild menthol cigarettes" in the hopes you'll die from lung cancer a bit slower. Robot political partisanship is a major reason why we continuously get bad governments. Look at Rob Ford as an example. Rob's supports (and Rob himself) wanted to go "hard on crime". No mercy for addicts. Rob then gets caught with his pipe in the crack cookie jar, denies it, spews a bunch of lies, calls the media who outed him "maggots" then finally admits yeah, he IS a crack addict. At which time his family asks the public for forgiveness and his usual "hard on crime" supporters suddenly demand the guy be given some leeway and respect.
Same guy wouldn't give the rest of the addicts the time of day.

That's exactly what's wrong with the political system. People are willing to lower their standards to accommodate their political beliefs or their own personal agenda. It can be said for the right and for the left too. Jack Layton was accused of some pretty dirty stuff himself if you research it. My own opinion on Ford is I'm more willing to give the guy a break for his addiction issue. We all fall down. It's the lies and the hypocrisy that he should have went down for.

As for Trudeau. I'm not a fan. The day that I turned on him was the day he decided against parliamentary reform. That is a fundamental stab in the back of democracy. There are lots of other minor reasons. But Trudeau is a good example of robot partisanship. The right often espouses how Trudeau is "selfie king". No such criticism was aimed at Rob Ford (who did that and more). Politicians taking selfies with people is the same thing as an SP posting pictures of her boobs. It's part of her job and her marketing. It's OK for one guy, not for the other, just like it was OK for Harper to bury the country in debt, but Wynne did the same thing and the conservatives attacked her.

Voting is bullshit. It perpetuates a fucked up system. It accomplishes nothing. The answer is anarchy and revolution. That won't happen because ....oh must go, someone pinged me in FB messenger.
Not a fan of Trudeau since he put funding for wildfire victims ,and refugees on ignore.....he flies over the lightest hit areas , goes to Revelstoke, spews some verbal political bullshit about the devastation, then weeks later sends teams down to the states to help with the Hurricanes .......The government help has been non-existent....they announce it on the media, then bury the money in red tape to make it impossible to get.
And I quote............
" I have 12 kilometres of fencing burned bordering crown land and there seems to be funding, and my insurance doesn't cover it with enough money"
"So it was insured?"....
" Yes but they only cover ten thousand and the deductible is five thousand"
" oh well if it was insured then we don't cover it with government funding"
"Well I have another 5 kilometres that wasn't insured"
"Well you could get insurance for that ,so that's not covered either, even though the government destroyed your fencing in a Backburn "
Soooooo......you announce that the government has funding to replace fencing to protect the citizens from livestock wandering onto highways....and if it was insured you won't cover it, even though insurance companies only allow for a few thousand dollars?"
"Yes that's right"
"And if it wasn't insured, you don't provide funding due to lack of insurance?"
"Yes"
"So in reality, even though you announced funding for fencing for public safety, there is none?"
" no the government will fund you as long as you meet the guidelines"
" and those would be?"......
"I'm not really sure that's a different department..... But I believe the policy is to send you 20 fence posts"
" seriously?"
"Yes"
 

yvrvisitor

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Some of those policies sound good.
Just too bad NDP government doesn't know it will require $$$$ to implement those policies.

Or do they think they can just steal $$$ from hard working people (or what they call 'riches'?)
 

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Some of those policies sound good.
Just too bad NDP government doesn't know it will require $$$$ to implement those policies.

Or do they think they can just steal $$$ from hard working people (or what they call 'riches'?)
Thats the plan under the NDP if they were to form a Majority Federal government.It is called "wealth redistribution" and they would take from those as perceived as "rich" and give it to the "poor".

SR
 

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Having a Wild Rose supporter write about the NDP leadership is like a devout Muslim giving their opinion on the best pork recipes. :wink:

I think the NDP were fools to give up on Mulcair so easily - it wasn't that voters had no confidence in his abilities, just that his own personality could not mask the usual suspicions about his party. Layton had the charisma to pull that off that trick. Mulcair had the kind of grim determination that is great for parliamentary warfare, but too spooky for the more wimpish NDP mambers, so as soon as he lost they pounced. I have to say this is also because as a Quebecer, the Ontario-social-activist clique of the party (people like Avi Lewis) wanted him out - they will never openly say it, but they are not willing to relinquish their hegemony on power within the party. (They have the same attitude towards BC members as well.) You could say the Toronto clique's vision of what the NDP should be is very different from the other regions. Again, Layton could come from their ranks, but appeal to others as well.

Still, if I was an NDP-er, I'd choose Angus or Caron. It's too bad Pat Strogran (?) dropped out - how many listened to his reasons for doing so? He spelled out some of their flaws. It's too bad Cullen was never a contender to lead them, but as I understand it, he was supporting Mulcair and got pissed off at those who backstabbed him. Again, the party seems allergic to having political warriors go out and win their wars. I think Singh or Ashton would each be a bad choice; just something I find off-putting about both of them (and no, it's not them having a turban or a vagina).

Well, anyway, much as I do not vote for them, I would not want them to choose some worthless person to lead them - how can they be good watchdogs for the common people if they have no teeth?
 

storm rider

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Having a Wild Rose supporter write about the NDP leadership is like a devout Muslim giving their opinion on the best pork recipes. :wink:

I think the NDP were fools to give up on Mulcair so easily - it wasn't that voters had no confidence in his abilities, just that his own personality could not mask the usual suspicions about his party. Layton had the charisma to pull that off that trick. Mulcair had the kind of grim determination that is great for parliamentary warfare, but too spooky for the more wimpish NDP mambers, so as soon as he lost they pounced. I have to say this is also because as a Quebecer, the Ontario-social-activist clique of the party (people like Avi Lewis) wanted him out - they will never openly say it, but they are not willing to relinquish their hegemony on power within the party. (They have the same attitude towards BC members as well.) You could say the Toronto clique's vision of what the NDP should be is very different from the other regions. Again, Layton could come from their ranks, but appeal to others as well.

Still, if I was an NDP-er, I'd choose Angus or Caron. It's too bad Pat Strogran (?) dropped out - how many listened to his reasons for doing so? He spelled out some of their flaws. It's too bad Cullen was never a contender to lead them, but as I understand it, he was supporting Mulcair and got pissed off at those who backstabbed him. Again, the party seems allergic to having political warriors go out and win their wars. I think Singh or Ashton would each be a bad choice; just something I find off-putting about both of them (and no, it's not them having a turban or a vagina).

Well, anyway, much as I do not vote for them, I would not want them to choose some worthless person to lead them - how can they be good watchdogs for the common people if they have no teeth?
Good observations I will say.With regards to Layton his partial break though was when that pussy wimp Dion was Liberal leader and pushing his "green shift" on the hustings and the "green shift" was basically a carbon tax or NEP 2.0 and Layton gained seats.After that election which resulted in a Conservative minority Layton considered himself "kingmaker" and figured he could propose and pass Socialist bills and that was soon shot down so Layton/Dion/Duceppe tried to form a filthy co-alition government and Canadians did get angry about THAT.I got angry about that as I did not VOTE for those 3 clowns ganging up and trying to hijack Government.

Next hustings was Harper along with Ignatieff and Layton and Layton made a HUGE gain in Quebec mainly because in every riding won by the NDP every fucking voter was convinced they were voting for Layton....instead of the plethora of idiots that were actually the candidates in the respective ridings.All told the NDP candidates that got elected were incompetant idiots that had to take french language lessons when they learned they had been elected.In Alberta last election it was pretty much the same thing....with the exception of very high profile candidates the name on EVERY sign was Notley.The Voters in the seat that elected a stunned college drunkard slut whose sole purpose in life at the age of 26 was to accumulate student debt for useless and wasted college courses had no fucking idea that they were voting for Deb Dreaver.

Layton snuffed it and then the NDP chose Angry Tom....a guy who is a devout Socialist and a complete idiot.....a guy who refinanced his home 9 times with regards to taking equity out of it(no worries about that when you are a pig at the trough) and the most pathetic thing was when Angry Tom went on the hustings the last election he was fucking pathetic.....nobody in Quebec bought into his bullshit chuckle or his fake smile and after he got tossed as NDP leader he is STILL raking in the cash as interim leader as he no doubt needs to get his personal financial affairs in order.

The only solace I take is that the NDP will hopefully NEVER form a majority Federal Government......if they were to do so I would sell my home and liquidate ALL of my assets and GTFO of Canada as Canada and ALL Canadians would be well and truly FUCKED.

SR
 
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