The Effects of Pooning on My Future

[AdeptSinister]

Hey there, newcomer here!
I've only seen 2 SP's since I started pooning last September (Lindsey and Mika, both in Guildford.) Both times were great, and I had an awesome time.
However, after my visit to Mika in December, I started thinking about how I wanted to join the RCMP, and I looked at the steps needed to apply.
One is a questionnaire you fill out and have to answer questions about your answers while hooked to a polygraph machine.
One question asks "Have you ever solicited a prostitute? If so, when?".
This worries me, because I know soliciting a prostitute is an offense, and I'm very worried that it will hurt my chances to become an officer with the force, which has been a dream since I was little.
Does anyone here have any advice, or know of someone/has been through the same thing?


Thanks,

-Sinister

 

[AdeptSinister]

It is...I'm pretty sure soliciting a prostitute is a summary offence, so it's not as bad as an indictable offence, but...if I can't find out what to do, this will haunt me for the rest of my life.

 

[*emmanuelle]

Hi AdeptSinister,

I believe that only PUBLIC solicitation of a prostitute is an offense in Canada. It is not an offense to trade money for sex, nor is it an offense to email or call an escort from your own personal phone and book an appointment for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada

I think you should just be honest during the interview. As far as I know, you won't be immediately disqualified from the force just because you (legally) hired an escort (in fact, I think getting "caught" lying by the polygraph might actually be worse than copping to the truth. Pun very much intended)


Good luck!

 

[cadzilla]

This might work to your advantage. You say they hook you to the polygraph to verify your answers after you have finished their questionnaire.

If you truthfully answered that you have solicited a prostitute you will then be able to truthfully explain the experience as an expert and satisfy their curiosity.
As Emmy says, you have broken no laws, (I'm sure police solicit prostitutes as much as any other profession). Because you have been open and honest, and have shown that you are comfortable with prostitution, you've got a leg up and might then be considered as a recruit for the Vice Squad.

The truth shall set you free Sinister. It demonstrates good moral character.
Best of luck!

 

[sevenofnine]

I kind of think your in a bind.
There has been a lot of news these days about sexual harresment in the force..

From my own personal expericance things have a cycle.
I mean sometimes they look for visible minorities some time females. Or some one with a lot of security experiance.
Sometimes they just want an egg head.
I would think with all the press they have gotten lately bad press from the Pickton enquiry to all the harresment issues they faced I don't think you have a chance.

I would just lie. But if you get caught in a lie your screwed for life.
If you tell the truth, you can always re-apply five years down the road.

 

[westcoast555]

Hey there, newcomer here!
I've only seen 2 SP's since I started pooning last September (Lindsey and Mika, both in Guildford.) Both times were great, and I had an awesome time.
However, after my visit to Mika in December, I started thinking about how I wanted to join the RCMP, and I looked at the steps needed to apply.
One is a questionnaire you fill out and have to answer questions about your answers while hooked to a polygraph machine.
One question asks "Have you ever solicited a prostitute? If so, when?".
This worries me, because I know soliciting a prostitute is an offense, and I'm very worried that it will hurt my chances to become an officer with the force, which has been a dream since I was little.
Does anyone here have any advice, or know of someone/has been through the same thing?


Thanks,

-Sinister

Don't tell the truth. Polygraphs are not reliable and there is a reason they are inadmissible in court.
I read once from an ex polygraph administrator that the way to beat it is to mess with their baseline readings.

He actually said to flex your sphincter when answering the baseline questions. And don't fret about it. It was nothing, it didn't happen and you don't get "caught" by polygraphs. Just plow through the test and deny.

Don't know if that makes sense but that's what I would do.

 

[InTheBum]

Why do they ask this question? So lame...tons of cops see escorts...

 

[Pantherdash]

This question gets asked under the heading "integrity." They've already asked you about criminal activity in another section. It's not so much that they deem it immoral having paid for sex, but then this is not the only question they ask you in the integrity section.

Police recruits are in a competition with each other. The recruiters take everything together, add up a score and compare it to other recruits. The higher you score the further you move on. So while saying yes to that question may dock off a point or two for you maybe they'll be impressed by your honesty. There are certain crimes that will get you disqualified and probably arrested like murder and rape. But something minor like that it's best to be honest with them. They look for a pattern of repeated bad behaviour. You can never know how just one activity will impact your application, you just have to submit your application and let them decide. They want to see not only if you're a good fit but also if you're going to be a financial liability for them. Bad driving record is a disqualifier, poor credit or past bankruptcy may be. Plus they will never tell you why they disqualify you or why they chose you. They are forbidden to under employment law.

But one thing's for sure, like another poster mentioned above, lying WILL get you disqualifiied for life and they will tell other departments, so maybe it's best to wait awhile, avoid going with SPs and then tell them the truth. Wait until you're sure you're confident about your application. They only keep it for a few years and if you don't get in they'll tell you to move on.

And no they will not put you directly into the vice squad if you have experience with SPs. That only happens on TV. All new recruits must do a few years of basic street patrol before specializing.

Panther

 

[mik]

Follow the advice of George.......

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[uncleg]

Not sure if this is the case now, but, I remember a couple of years ago in an interview where Chow said that they were willing to overlook certain minor criminal discrepencies because there was a major shortage in RCMP officers. You should probably tell the truth and not lie. Now, when you are required to give up all your email passwords and have illegal stuff in your email, that could be problematic.

Good luck

It was Chu, and it's the VPD that's taken this position..not the RCMP.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Hi AdeptSinister,

I believe that only PUBLIC solicitation of a prostitute is an offense in Canada. It is not an offense to trade money for sex, nor is it an offense to email or call an escort from your own personal phone and book an appointment for yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada

I think you should just be honest during the interview. As far as I know, you won't be immediately disqualified from the force just because you (legally) hired an escort (in fact, I think getting "caught" lying by the polygraph might actually be worse than copping to the truth. Pun very much intended)


Good luck!

I agree, I think the question is regarding public solicitation, as in street workers. That is usually where the term solicitation is used, and that is the activity that is against the law. Seeing an sp by contacting her thru her ad is not the same thing as soliciting, so the answer to that question will be NO. You can always qualify it with an explanation if you want, that you have seen escorts legally in case you think that your response might show you are stressed by the question or even ask them to clarify. Just because they are the RCMP doesn't mean they even know what the laws are about this activity.

 

[Sonny]

If you have seen SPs thus far in your life, the RCMP's take is you are reasonably likely to see them in the future as well.
Your predisposition towards having at least occasional sex with SPs may be used by criminal elements to attempt to control or influence you.
Makes you a risk and/or an unknown factor.

If you lie and it comes out that you have seen SPs, then forget any future you may have with LE. Your integrity and honesty are shot.
Without integrity and honesty, your reliability is suspect.... a core quality in a LE career.

 

[AdeptSinister]

Thanks for all the replies. Thus far, from what I've read, I'm just going to stay away from SP's for a long while. However, I don't think I'll lie on the thing, as I've never committed any other crime (drug dealing, using drugs, murder, stealing, sexual assault, assault, uttering threats, etc.) So I think that it will be okay. And either way, if it is a problem for them, at least I don't get blacklisted for lying, and I can apply to the VPD.
Thanks again everyone!

 

[newatit]

Frnakly I am not sure from what you said that you actually solicited anyone in the true meaning of the word. Answering an ad, going into an AMP, visiting a solitary gal in the business is not quite the same a approaching a gal and asking her for sex in exchange for money. That is soliciting. If they asked you if you had ever visited a prostitute, that is a different question, and i don't think it is any of their business. So be sure of your definitions, and then maybe you can answer the question honestly with a no and not feel guilty about it hence pass the exam.

 

[AdeptSinister]

Are you a cop?

Nope, I'm just a regular joe in university that WANTS to be a cop.
Weirdly enough, I went to see SP's. Funny, right?
My stance on it is that what SP's do shouldn't be illegal in any way, but I don't make the laws, and the RCMP doesn't have to know that.


-Sinister

 

[Pantherdash]

It's funny because the section under which this question falls is called "Illegal Sexual Activity." It is question number 61, "Have you ever solicited the services of a prostitute? If yes, explain." Then question 62 goes, "Have you ever engaged in a sex act for monetary purposes or other personal gain? If yes, explain."

Here's a link to the full questionaire for those interested.

Panther

 

[Unpossible]

Does anybody else find it funny that a wannabe cop has sinister in his username?

 

[cadzilla]

Good sleuthing Panther.
With 97 questions on the Regular Member Applicant Questionnaire who could possibly not have done something irregular.
Like Question 40.
What is the worst thing anyone is going to say you have done to them?
or
Question 72.
Have you ever done anything for which you could have been arrested? If yes, explain.

It's a giant fishing expedition. They even want to know if you buy lottery tickets for Christ's sake. Jesus himself is gonna get some wrong.
Paying for sexual favours is not a crime. Just be honest. You'll be fine.

 

[newatit]

just being honest is not always the answer. Lets be careful here. There are things we have all done that maybe not be moral or above board, but they were not illegal and are private. Having sex with a prostitute is certainly one of those in the eyes of many people and that is legal depending upon the routine you went through to get there. But to tell everyone, on a computerized document, and have it put on your record when there is no way any one would ever find out, seems pretty dumb to me.