After Monday's fiasco in Dallas can there be any doubt the main problem with the Canucks is Crawford? The guy actually blamed the referees for the loss. Your top (supposedly) three players go MIA in four straight games and we lose because a couple of calls go against us??? WTF planet is he living on? Dallas got a penalty late in the game that was another phantom call, but the Canucks didn't score. Maybe THAT could be a problem, Mark? He still double shifts Fraud even though the guy has done squat all year. He still plays favourites and if you are one of his boys you get all the ice time you want, if you are in his bad books it doesn't mattter how you perform. He obviouly cannot motivate this team. They will probably still squeak into the playoffs, maybe even survive a round, but they sold fans a bill of goods when they said they were a Stanley Cup contender. Fact is - any team in the league will beat the Canucks if they outwork them.
The Crow Must Go
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Can't disagree with anything you've said but I also think that Canuck's problems go deeper than just "Crow". From a macro perspective, I believe that senior management/ ownership let everyone down by electing to go with an unknown/ unproven GM. This is not to say that Nonis is bad but, he really does not have any experience other than taking orders from former GM Burke. In addition, the player personnel probably is beyond repair/ patch work now as the player dynamics no longer seem to be meshing as a "team". Some may think that its because of injuries to so called "key" players but, I think we all know that any successful organization always has succession planning as one of their recipes to success.
blame who you want (I blame John McCaw on down) but the reality is the team needs to just be rebuilt.
Goalie: Auld looks good and may be great one day. The new guy gets his nuts wet tonight and may be a #1 or a great back-up. If nothing else, the Canucks can and should dump Clouts to any team for anything.
Defense: looks a bit shakey at present, but if the new guys can pull it together then sign Special Ed and trade him to Florida for draft picks (we got none!).
Forwards: pick either Cooke or Rutuu (I'd pick Rutuu just for salary cap) and dump the other 'agitator'. Retire Linden and give him a job in the front office. Dump Richard Park or bundle him in a trade some place.
Now the controversy: Make the Bros. the top line. Yup, sign them all using the money you save getting ride of Bert, Nazzy (who will probably retire) and Morrison (enough excuses).
Spend the money on a solid first or second line centre. Spend the money on a good, consistent scorer. Get a couple good grinders to shore up the third and fourth lines.
Coach: Crawford only won once with a 'dream team' -- he's still dreamin! My first choice would be Stan Smyle but who knows.
GM: Nonis showed some good moves, and may make some more this summer -- I don't think he's living in Burke's shadow but does have management to contend with like any GM would and that's a constant problem.
The Season: is over. I doubt these guys will even make the playoffs even if the top line suddenly find their balls and use them ...
The Fans: Hell, it only took Detroit 60 years to win the cup again ... I'm figuring it will make a nice 100th birthday gift for me!
Goalie: Auld looks good and may be great one day. The new guy gets his nuts wet tonight and may be a #1 or a great back-up. If nothing else, the Canucks can and should dump Clouts to any team for anything.
Defense: looks a bit shakey at present, but if the new guys can pull it together then sign Special Ed and trade him to Florida for draft picks (we got none!).
Forwards: pick either Cooke or Rutuu (I'd pick Rutuu just for salary cap) and dump the other 'agitator'. Retire Linden and give him a job in the front office. Dump Richard Park or bundle him in a trade some place.
Now the controversy: Make the Bros. the top line. Yup, sign them all using the money you save getting ride of Bert, Nazzy (who will probably retire) and Morrison (enough excuses).
Spend the money on a solid first or second line centre. Spend the money on a good, consistent scorer. Get a couple good grinders to shore up the third and fourth lines.
Coach: Crawford only won once with a 'dream team' -- he's still dreamin! My first choice would be Stan Smyle but who knows.
GM: Nonis showed some good moves, and may make some more this summer -- I don't think he's living in Burke's shadow but does have management to contend with like any GM would and that's a constant problem.
The Season: is over. I doubt these guys will even make the playoffs even if the top line suddenly find their balls and use them ...
The Fans: Hell, it only took Detroit 60 years to win the cup again ... I'm figuring it will make a nice 100th birthday gift for me!
canuck problems
Our local nhl franchise is in trouble all the down fr the top to the new quys, we expect nothing and get it fr ownership, they have to realize that its not enough that they make money they have to win too, to keep our favor, management sucks with those never seen or never heard of types like BobMaccam and mr no personality like Dave Onos (pardon my spelling) Crawford doesn't show near enough emotion, the top line plays like they are just going through the paces all and all the rest of the team a B+ for effort!
Our local nhl franchise is in trouble all the down fr the top to the new quys, we expect nothing and get it fr ownership, they have to realize that its not enough that they make money they have to win too, to keep our favor, management sucks with those never seen or never heard of types like BobMaccam and mr no personality like Dave Onos (pardon my spelling) Crawford doesn't show near enough emotion, the top line plays like they are just going through the paces all and all the rest of the team a B+ for effort!
And if all of the above doesn't change a thing then maybe it's time
the FANS start telling the team how they have had enough of the bullshit
by showing their displeasure at the gate!
No one goes to games...........maybe management might get the hint!
.............QM'r
the FANS start telling the team how they have had enough of the bullshit
by showing their displeasure at the gate!
No one goes to games...........maybe management might get the hint!
.............QM'r
best idea yet ... but i have the feeling that even if every season ticket holder mailed back their tickets, there would be people in van who would snap them up just to watch the zamboni!Quarter Mile'r said:And if all of the above doesn't change a thing then maybe it's time
the FANS start telling the team how they have had enough of the bullshit
by showing their displeasure at the gate!
No one goes to games...........maybe management might get the hint!
.............QM'r
vancouver is not a hockey town, its a 'see and be seen' crowd that shows up anywhere 'trendy' (ie; expensive).
Preds 5 - Canucks 0. Oops, I guess Noronen and the new defencemen weren't the answer. Weinrich Minus 3 in the game. Fraud is now minus 13. Naslund Minus 10 and I think Morrison Minus 15. These guys aren't the first line - they shouldn't even be on the ice unless it's with The Moose. Even Linden isn't as big a liability as any of them. Why did Crawford put Noronen in against such a strong team, when he could have waited one more game and given him a slightly better chance and not kill his confidence?
new nhl environment
Who want's your lack luster under achieving superstars? In the new environment with salary caps nobody want to pay what the nucks are, for this kind of performance, or maybe the team would have made better trades at the deadline. Suck it up and wait for next year and polish up the golf clubs your gonna need them in a month. Cause your going nowhere, on a fast plane!!!
Bigwood
Who want's your lack luster under achieving superstars? In the new environment with salary caps nobody want to pay what the nucks are, for this kind of performance, or maybe the team would have made better trades at the deadline. Suck it up and wait for next year and polish up the golf clubs your gonna need them in a month. Cause your going nowhere, on a fast plane!!!
Bigwood
lol every year there's a problem with this team. Last few years it's been the twins and cloutier. Now it's crow and the top line. The canucks can hire a new coach but not sure if they'll ever win the cup
This from the Canucks website on Nonis :expo joe said:
Nonis served six seasons as Senior Vice President, Director of Hockey Operations, where he was the club's cheif negotiator of player contracts and was responsible for Vancouver's minor league affiliate agreement with the Manitoba Moose of the AHL. He also directed all areas of the Hockey Operations Department.
Over the past six seasons, Dave has led the negotiation of a number of long-term agreements with many of Vancouver’s core players and was intrumental in forecasting the team's budget and payroll which helped to re-stabilize the NHL club's economic and long-term viability in Vancouver.
Prior to joining the Canucks as Senior Vice-President, Director of Hockey Operations in 1998, Nonis served as the National Hockey League's Manager of Hockey Operations for four seasons. In his role, Nonis gained a vast knowledge of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and helped finalize sections of the document when the latest edition was drafted during the 1994-95 season. He also worked with the league's arbitration team, which included helping teams prepare for arbitration, researching salaries and interpreting contract language.
Nonis originally broke into the NHL with the Canucks in 1990. In his first years with the team he was primarily responsible for corporate contracts, computer scouting and team services.
Quarter Mile'r said:And if all of the above doesn't change a thing then maybe it's time
the FANS start telling the team how they have had enough of the bullshit
by showing their displeasure at the gate!
No one goes to games...........maybe management might get the hint!
.............QM'r
I think it's enevitable that will happen if a slide continues and the team falls short of the heightened expectations after the last three seasons. I still remember the financial dissarray and problems of the organization in the years after 1994 cup run. The fact is that the Canucks have had a very entertaining product over the past few seasons and the challenges that have popped up have been a true test of the team's character. I always felt that Brian Burke was able to steer the ship through rough waters and it's unfortunate that ownership didn't fully appreciate his depth and perseverance to succeed. I can't help but wonder if Burke's dismissal has contributed to undermining the overall confidence --especially when times get tough ??
