The Canucks Future ? Past & Present...

[Mr Quim]

It's amazing, what strange things You find, when You go fishing with the "Searchbox" ? LOL

It hooked, this old Thread !

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?163722-WTF-Canucks-traded-Cody-Hodgson

Which got Me wondering, whatever happened with Cody Hodgson ?

God, I love Wikipedia, and I'm not even Religious ! LOL

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Hodgson

Cody unfortunately, struggled with Injuries his entire professional Hockey career, before retiring in 2016 .

I don't think, He would have been the Savior, all of Us Canucks fans are hoping for ?

We'll see how Things pan-out, with our current Group of Hopefuls, and Training Camp around the corner ?

Cheers

 

[badbadboy]

Hodgson was good and if he had stayed would have benefited with playing time with more experienced players. His father always envisioned him in a Leaf uniform and Canucks got him close at Buffalo. From what I read about Buffalo, they pushed him pretty hard and I am guessing played with injuries.

Latest crew of recruits are looking pretty decent according to reports from the rookie camp.

Rebuilding is painful to watch but you just gotta hang in there. I always look at Chicago's rebuild before winning multiple Stanley Cups. They were the perennial basket case in the Western Division meaning getting points every time the Canucks visited Chicago.

They did it right with drafts, trades and getting a core of solid pieces to the puzzle that they could build a team around. Duncan Keith is / was a very good D man. Sure we hated him because of the wicked elbows to Daniel Sedin's head. But would we turn him down if he wore a Canuck uniform? Hell no. He's an asshole but at least he's our asshole is the way teams describe guys like Keith etc. They don't build D men like Keith, Pronger, Webber etc every day. Canucks have always had decent D when times were good but none were the A hole type.

So please get us a mobile, playmaker, excellent passer, accurate shots from the Blue Line and above all an A hole that teams are wary of when they go in our zone.

I am betting Chris Tanev is gone before Christmas. Hopefully Canucks get a decent return player and not third round draft choices.

 

[204fun]

I remember when Cody Hodgson showed up here in Manitoba to play with the Moose in the AHL during a run to the Calder Cup in 2009. He was phenomenal throughout the entire playoffs and at that point was just out of playing junior. We all thought that there were going to be some big things coming from him when he eventually moved up to the Canucks, but it just never panned out. It's always tough when you see the careers for some of these uber talented young kids get derailed because of injuries or bad decisions.

 

[Man in Submission]

Those 2 Swedish kids Pettersson and Dahlen looked incredible at the Young Stars tournament here in Penticton last weekend. I can say that objectively since I am a diehard Rangers fan and have been since the mid 1960s. I think Canucks fans will see some much better days ahead with the young core they have with Boeser, Horvat and the defenceman Hughes on the horizon, and Pettersson is the real deal. Dahlen was a steal in that trade to Ottawa for Burrows. LOL at the Senators again.
The Rangers are pretty much rebuilding too and drafted some nice youngsters like Chytil, Andersson and Kravtsov to go with a fairly decent core they have in place. Both Van and NYR will have to be patient but if you can draft some stars and patch some decent pieces around them, you can become competitive pretty quickly in the salary cap era. Look at the Leafs - they add Tavares to a great young core with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, etc. Sure, you have to get lucky to get a generational talent like Matthews, but if you do it right, the rebuild doesn't have to take 5 or 6 years or whatever. Of course if you screw it up like the Oilers with all those top picks and end up sucking despite having the best player in the world on your team in McDavid ... but that's a topic for another day.
The Canucks, if they can get any kind of goaltending, definitely have a good shot at a playoff spot this year. Should be an interesting season on many fronts.

 

[silkk]

fuck the nucks, bring the NBA back

 

[P3t3rp4n]

fuck the nucks, bring the NBA back

Vancouver doesn’t need another NBA team, nobody supported the grizzlies when they were here.

 

[Jimmyboi]

Vancouver doesn’t need another NBA team, nobody supported the grizzlies when they were here.

The reason the nba failed in Vancouver is because of poor management/ownership. The NBA is more of global game than the nhl, and it's far more popular.

Lebron James is worth 440 million.
Vancouver canucks are worth 262 million.

Lebron James Instagram followers = 41.9 million
Alexander ovechkin Instagram followers = 1.3 million

Basketball is huge now, and if it ever came back to vanouver it would thrive, because if small college towns like OKC and Milwaukee can support teams, then a city like vancouver which is 2-3× larger market would not have a problem.

If the nba came back to vancouver I would buy season tickets today.

 

[P3t3rp4n]

Another reason Vancouver could not hold onto the Grizzlies was the lack of home game attendance. Attendance was at more than 17,000 per game at General Motors Place in Vancouver's first season, but dropped each of the next two seasons. During the Grizzlies' last two seasons in Vancouver, attendance fell below 14,000. Over that span, the Grizzlies franchise lost tens of millions of dollars, while showing little signs of future progress.

 

[P3t3rp4n]

I remember the very last Vancouver NBA game and it was a pitiful display. Over 90% of the crowd left before the end of the regulation game time. There’s no way the NBA would consider coming back to Vancouver in my opinion.

 

[Mr Quim]

The reason the nba failed in Vancouver is because of poor management/ownership. The NBA is more of global game than the nhl, and it's far more popular.

Lebron James is worth 440 million.
Vancouver canucks are worth 262 million.

Lebron James Instagram followers = 41.9 million
Alexander ovechkin Instagram followers = 1.3 million

Basketball is huge now, and if it ever came back to vanouver it would thrive, because if small college towns like OKC and Milwaukee can support teams, then a city like vancouver which is 2-3× larger market would not have a problem.

If the nba came back to vancouver I would buy season tickets today.

I wouldn't bother debating, your Stats, as I'm sure they're bang on !

But, make no mistake ?
Vancouver, is a Canadian, Hockey Town !

Christ, Seattle lost the Sonics, and I'm not aware of the NBA coming back anytime soon ?
And that's an US City !

Yet, They're trying to put, a NHL Franchise in Seattle ? LOL

fuck the nucks, bring the NBA back

Do We really need more of the Excitement, Big Country & the Boys, brought to the City ? LOL

Cheers

P.S. If You really want to see Lebron, fly to L.A., it's a cheap Flight !

 

[badbadboy]

I wouldn't bother debating, your Stats, as I'm sure they're bang on !

But, make no mistake ?
Vancouver, is a Canadian, Hockey Town !

Christ, Seattle lost the Sonics, and I'm not aware of the NBA coming back anytime soon ?
And that's an US City !

Yet, They're trying to put, a NHL Franchise in Seattle ? LOL

Seattle Supersonics left because they couldn't get funding for Key Arena.

The NHL bid for Seattle includes a $660M upgrade of Key Arena.

McCaw owned the Grizzlies and sold them to Michael Heisley. Problem is Heisley didn't get the revenue from Jersey sales, parking, food and beverages etc. Basically he was going broke in Vancouver because the only revenue was from ticket sales. In those days, I'd bet over 50% of fans were there on free or highly subsidized tickets. It made good business sense to move them to a US city.

If NBA were to come to Vancouver, the only owner could be Aquilini since he owns the arena and all revenues associated with it. There would be zero chance of a new NBA franchise in Vancouver if they had to build a new arena for the team.

I'd say both Seattle and Vancouver could co-exist in the NBA and an NHL team in Seattle would be good for the Canucks.

 

[Jimmyboi]

I wouldn't bother debating, your Stats, as I'm sure they're bang on !

But, make no mistake ?
Vancouver, is a Canadian, Hockey Town !

Christ, Seattle lost the Sonics, and I'm not aware of the NBA coming back anytime soon ?
And that's an US City !

Yet, They're trying to put, a NHL Franchise in Seattle ? LOL



Do We really need more of the Excitement, Big Country & the Boys, brought to the City ? LOL

Cheers

Yes, you're correct that hockey is a Canadian game, and vancouver as of right now is a hockey city, but basketball is growing big time in Canada.

2011 NBA draft - Tristan Thompson drafted 4th overall (highest Canadian ever drafted)

2013 nba draft- Anthony bennett selected 1st overall (first Canadian drafted number 1 overall)

2014 NBA draft - Andrew Wiggins selected 1st overall (back 2 back years Canadians picked 1st overall)

2019 NBA draft - RJ Barrett is projected to go 1st overall.

Canadians are getting drafted, and theyre being picked high. The game has grown so much in 20 years. At one point Steve Nash was the only active Canadian in the nba. Now there's 14, and more coming on the way because millennials like basketball.

Supersonic moved because key arena (The stadium they played in) is absolute garbage, and outdated. It's kind of like how the raiders are moving from oakland because the city and ownership(and nfl) couldn't get a deal done.

The supersonics are going to return one day, NBA has said it.

 

[Mr Quim]

Hey, I used to play Pickup Hockey on Sunday mornings, with Jay Triano some 25 years ago .

If memory, serves Me right, He was still coaching with SFU at the time ? Before his Career, took off .

But, He had to leave his Hometown like most, to follow his Basketball Dream .

My point is, even though He wasn't a great Hockey player .
He enjoyed the Game, well enough, to participate in his spare Time !
IMHO, in mine, his, and possibly your Life ?
Basketball will not replace Hockey, as the premier Sport, in Vancouver at least ?

Just look at Soccer, which I'm sure outstrips, your beloved Basketball on the World Stage ?

I don't think the Whitecaps, generate more annual Dollars, than the Canucks in this City ?

Cheers


:focus:

 

[Jimmyboi]

Another reason Vancouver could not hold onto the Grizzlies was the lack of home game attendance. Attendance was at more than 17,000 per game at General Motors Place in Vancouver's first season, but dropped each of the next two seasons. During the Grizzlies' last two seasons in Vancouver, attendance fell below 14,000. Over that span, the Grizzlies franchise lost tens of millions of dollars, while showing little signs of future progress.

The nba doesn't care nearly as much about attendance or jersey sales anymore because this isn't 1998. Yes, they are important but its all about the new tv deals that espn and tnt gave the nba. That's how players now have these types of monster contracts.


2017: Steph curry - 5 years/201 million

2017: James harden - 6 years/228 million

2017: Russell westbrook - 6 years/233 million


2018: Lebron james - 4 years/154 million


some of these guys contracts are valued the same as nhl franchises. The nba cares about ratings/subscriptions. Forbes reported last year that out of the 30 nba teams only 14 turned a profit on there own, and therefore 16 teams lost money, but thanks to revenue sharing everyone made money. When LeBron james comes to town and those espn cameras are following him, and Nike executives, etc. Everyone gets paid.

 

[Jimmyboi]

Just look at Soccer, which I'm sure outstrips, your beloved Basketball on the World Stage ?

I don't think the Whitecaps, generate more annual Dollars, than the Canucks in this City ?

Cheers


:focus:

fair enough, im not trying to highjack your thread, but I don't see messi or Ronaldo coming to play the white caps so it is kind of different.

 

[80watts]

Hockey- Van Canucks
Soccer- Whitecaps
Baseball- ? (triple A team?)
Basketball- none
Football- Lions

Vancouver is a big City but Canadians can't afford more that 1 or 2 professional teams, they just won't make the money or their is not enough fan support (go to games and buy merchandise etc) for 2 teams. Especially teams of the same sport (different levels).