The Business of Sex

mimi

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Congratulations Susi on a fantastic job! I just watched 'the business of sex', a client recorded it for me, cause, my TV doesn't get any of the 'good' channels ha ha....anyway, I thought you were wonderful....what beautiful eyes you have!

Anyway, very well done. I like the German idea, but, I wonder if I would be comfortable working in that environment...I think a lot of us are loners, and, I wondered if they had a quota. Also, the fellow said the women didn't have to see men they did not prefer, but, how does one do that with manners when the guy is standing right there?

I like the idea that the men are first led to the showers and then walk about in fluffy robes...I wonder if they have a Valkyrie sized Hildegard in there making sure he uses that face cloth efficiently!?
 

susi

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all very good questions and thank you mimi!!

i think you are correct, some of us like to work in a massage parlour environment but others like to work independently. in vancouver we are asking that both choices are repsected. we are trying to creat an open environment where workers and pooners alike have multiple,clear choices and the tools to make safe decisions in those choices.

i think the real key is we need a "canadian" model of sex industry. while it is useful to look to other nations solutions and mistakes, the BCCEC (the political group i belong to) prefer to work from the ground up and use community consultation to direct next steps or actions. this is why i post ideas and proposed actions here all the time. i hope people feel like they can contribute and as always, please let me know if anyone has any questions or concerns about proposed processes in vancouver.

i do realize that we need a "lower mainland strategy" but am unfunded so i try to focus my efforts in the city for now. the city of surrey though, for instance, at least in some departments,including the RCMP-some members- are interested to see what works in vancouver as some staff are uncomfortable with recent raids and treatment of workers during the "clean up crime"initiative. i won't name names as i don't want to out our supporters.

the hope is that success here will translate into new approaches in other muncipalities and eventually a balanced and coordinated approach to protection and tolerance from the city all across the valley.

http://www.wccsip.ca/doc/Opening the Doors.pdf

here's the link to the report again for anyone who is interested. please note- the report seems huge-125 pages- but the bulk of that is draft materials for professional accreditation and some by-law revisions completed and vetted here in 2007- these origional bylaw revisions request licnesing for escorts and a number of other things that are NOT included in the final recommendations being used to inform a city of vancouver staff report to city council. the full report is about 25 pages and the executive summary is 6 pages so its not that big of a read.

also, we do have other plans for exiting opportunities and alternative income sources for workers who want to leave the industry through our cooperative development plans as well as some other ways the cooperative could support us all coming together as a community. check it out!

www.wccsip.ca

lastly, i alsolike the idea of the guys lounging around in robes...i wonder if its too make it hard to run out on the "bill"? hard to refuse to pay of the business has possession of your cloths....lol

love susieXXXO
ps- i am glad you enjoyed the show!!!
 

susi

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just in case people don't have time to follow the links, here are the "opening the doors" recomendations and conclusions so at least you have a sense of where we are taking this...

please feel free to yell, scream,comment,add something.....

Recommendations

Vancouver Sex Industry Stakeholders have agreed on the following recommendations for submission to city staff and informing the report going to City Council;

• That a process of professional accreditation be developed in partnership with all stakeholders and that the processes should respect the expectations for the mainstream community and the privacy/confidentiality of sex industry workers taking part.

• That the professional accreditation processes be made language accessible for non English speaking workers and as low cost and low barrier as possible so all sex industry workers including street level sex workers could benefit from the knowledge gained through accreditation.

• That professional accreditation be required for all employees in a sex industry business including support staff such as managers, booking girls, drivers, waitresses and bouncers.

• That the City of Vancouver By-laws are revised to reflect the processes outlined in this report and respect the safety and inclusion of sex industry workers in a process involving all stakeholders as far as preferred licenses, rate balancing and the removal of clearly biased and illegal by laws excluding sex industry community members from mainstream society.

• More specifically, that the body rub license become the license of choice over health enhancement center. The term health enhancement center makes any prostitution occurring in the business illegal. The body rub parlour business license on the other hand seems to create a space where 2 consenting adults can legally engage in prostitution as it is more of a “rooms for rent” business. Just as in a hotel, the room rented becomes a private space and just as in a hotel what happens behind closed doors is private.

It is hoped that this business license definition will allow police to maintain their commitment to the
criminal code of Canada while allowing stability for sex industry businesses providing safe, health
places to work.

• That a Sex Industry Review Board be created to hear complaints and scrutinize license applications

• That mechanisms to ensure accountability and unbiased treatment are created such as the community policing partnership car, policy and procedure manual revisions/additions and professional development materials for mainstream systems engaging the sex industry.

• That a system of penalties tied to professional accreditation is created

• That licensing not be required of individual workers or small collectives of 2 or 3 workers sharing a
work space as has been proven successfully in New Zealand to impact the health and safety of those
workers.

• That provisions are made to accommodate migrant or foreign workers and that all materials are language accessible for that group

• That while youth engaged in the sex industry may not be accredited until they reach the legal age to engage in the sex industry, that they be given access to the program materials as way to increase their health and safety and to connect them to resources

The greater community have long had to rely on rumours and biased data to form an opinion of working conditions in the sex industry. By creating an open and sex industry inclusive system of transparency and accountability, the greater community will have a clearer picture of the make up of, conditions within and safety of the sex industry.

Through this confidential, community based process it is hoped that businesses that go beyond what is reasonable (marketing youth, trafficking persons) can be more easily identified, targeted and prosecuted by the criminal justice system without causing widespread de-stabilization of the entire industry.

The goal is not to eliminate police or other mainstream mechanisms from these processes. Rather our goal is to allow police to use resources more effectively against and easily find and prosecute those people who engage in illegal sex industry activities and to increase numbers of sex industry workers accessing mainstream supports

Conclusion

All parties were concerned about the confidentiality of sex industry licensee program participants. The BCCEC recommend being extremely careful throughout the development of procedures, to protect confidentiality if sex industry workers are to feel safe in taking part.

Lastly, the ideas and processes outlined in this report are in a very draft and incomplete form. BCCEC members want to be clear that each individual aspect of these plans must be developed and scrutinized by all stakeholders in detail if we are to reach common ground and common purpose in finding ways to increase the health and safety of ALL community members.

Our hope is that the draft materials and rational described here can be a starting point for a change in policy, to move away from punishment and towards protection and to find creative ways to work together, with in the current legal framework and with the health and safety of sex industry workers at the forefront.
 

athaire

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Susi

As usual I enjoy reading your enlightened and constructive posts with regards to the direction your organization is attempting to take the industry. I did have a couple of questions though.....

First....
• That the City of Vancouver By-laws are revised to reflect the processes outlined in this report and respect the safety and inclusion of sex industry workers in a process involving all stakeholders as far as preferred licenses, rate balancing and the removal of clearly biased and illegal by laws excluding sex industry community members from mainstream society.
Could you clarify what you mean by rate balancing?

Second...
• That a system of penalties tied to professional accreditation is created
What does this mean for the client?
 

susi

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As usual I enjoy reading your enlightened and constructive posts with regards to the direction your organization is attempting to take the industry. I did have a couple of questions though.....

First....

Could you clarify what you mean by rate balancing?

sure, we are asking that the body rub parlour licnese be the license issued as the license of choice but currently it is $9000(?) dollars a year. we are asking that be reduced to reflect similar businesses, ie-beauty parlour-$270 a year(i think-if i remember right) and also escort service licnese(around $1100 a year) to be reduced as well. we are asking for no licnesing for escorts or parlour workers but are asking for a system of very low barrier, confidential accreditation to adress community concerns( of legal age, given access to resources,etc)

Second...

What does this mean for the client?
it means clients will be able to report dangerous conditions should they witness them,or theft or any other unethical business practices in a way that is confidential but also allows people to defend against false accusations- and could affect an agency if they are for instance- the "bait and switch"champions- serial robbers of clients or if they are not but are accused, they have a chance to defend themselves and be heard.

make sense?
love susieXXXO
 

athaire

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