The annual GFE vs PSE debate

[sarahpassion]

I agree with the gentlemen who have stated it has more to do with attitude and feel.

To me GFE is is kissing, touching, bantering, eye contact, and playfulness. It is more intimate. Oral, daty, DFK and so on! The condom is used for our and then in turn your protection. It is a fact of life.

Now if you call a girl and she says without even meeting you or inspecting your member that she offfers bbbj, then that means she offered it to the guy who left 2 minutes ago aswell.

I think it is a personal choice, and no girl should be harped on because she doesn't perfom it.

Instead of trying to change the Norm, why not add B to the GFE if it is without protection?

I met a client who told me that an SP he saw, told him to stop looking into her eyes, but as long as she gives him a bbbj she is GFE provider? NO not so much.

 

[sarahpassion]

For some reason I was under the impression that the orginal meaning of GFE did include BBBJ which is why so many men insist the term GFE should automatically include BBBJ (unless 'saFe gfe' is advertised)??..

But without making it a debate on CBJ vs BBBJ, I think we can all agree that the term 'gfe' came about and started being used as a marketing term, and that in most men's mind (those who care), the term does typically include BBBJ and the majority do have this expectation. Adding 'safe' clarifies things from the get-go and avoids misunderstandings, disappointment or uncomfortable situations..

Yes but then it is also assumed with safe GFE that it is covered daty, some don't allow digits....The list just goes on and on....

If bbbj is a deal breaker for any of you, just ask before booking.

 

[vicgfelover]

I don't necessarily equate bbj with gfe -- I think it can be a GFE but also can be in the PSE category as well.
GFE for me means kissing and daty in addition to the standard services.
PSE for me usually means the above two may be available, but not necessarily be that enjoyable to the provider...but that she'd tend to be more open to bbj and more open to russian/facial/pearl necklace and open to greek/video taping etc.
Of course its always good to clarify what the provider is open to and comfortable with -- after all its a subjective term and as always it can be a ymmv.

 

[tedsweettangv]

It really should include her cleaning your car though, and probably leaving earings at your place. All my GFs always did that.

 

[cidgib]

Jeesh its a service. Every service is different as its an interaction between two people. Talking about whatever it is defined as is just marketing of the service. Sometimes its the talk of what you get, sometimes its the photo etc. that make you buy the service. I'd rather do it covered with one hot tight woman than uncovered with a poor not so good looking hairy performer. There are dam good CBJ's out there even though the preference is uncovered and some are better than uncovered ones. You know who you are ladies! Just enjoy it any way you get it. It's just sex and whatever you want to call it .

 

[hobbywho]

yep, gfe definitely is the way session goes down, right from the beginning. if she's clockwatching, not kissing, or whatever it's not gfe, all in the feel, I better be walking out of there happy I didn't waste my money. doesn't matter if there is bbbj, but there should be, it's why guys go for gfe , Its why I do .

Girls ought to start using the term "safe gfe" if they don't offer bbbj ? And hearing some girls get offended being asked about their service, that's outrageous!

 

[MrPeterNorth]

I guess I just can't get over how tame everything is here in comparison to places like Montreal and Brazil. The type response when asking a Vancouver SP if they are open to BBBJ and CIM is most likely : "ewww - gross". We get the odd open-minded SP here and there (thank god for that!), but by and large if you want real fun you have to wait until someone visits or you have to go elsewhere.

http://montrealgirlsonfire.com/php/girls.php?girl=279

Here's what I call a PSE experience - Versace (what a name... LOL)

Gorgeous young woman... dressed in you guessed it, Versace. Petite spinner, perfect body for sex... small enhanced C's, shaved, super tanned, etc. Looks like a typical new pornstar you'd find on Brazzers, etc and open-minded like you wouldn't believe. She did it all. BBBJ - of course, CIM/COF+SW - of course, biting, hair pulling, dirty talk, aggressive, GREEK, and something VERY pornstar-ish - ATM (ass to mouth). I'm positive she would've been down with DP (gangbang) style if you had 2 or more guys.

It's nice to have uninhibited fun once and a while. A break from the norm is refreshing. I can honestly say such an experience is unavailable here. So, in my opinion PSE truly isn't an option. So if a girl advertises PSE... is it really PSE?