"Terasen Gas" Grand Assholes of BC

[noneasgood]

metoo113 is correct, unfortunately, most managers/supervisors are too fucking incompetent to to do their jobs properly which is why you can't get rd on a numion non-performer. The union has safeguards in plac as part of their contract to protect their membership from arbitrary firings.

Well there's definately enough blame to go around. Certainly in the case of GM and Ford's legacy costs, which are essentially bankrupting both companies, management made a huge mistake in the 1960-70's by agreeing to the types of pension and health provisions that they did. But this was the path of least resistance, as the alternative would have been prolonged strikes. The main problems with this is that when the unions negotiate benefits and wages which make the firm itself unprofitable then no one wins in the long run. This is exactly what happened in the NHL. But as mentioned, management is the one signing these contracts so they certainly have to take some responsibility.

 

[metoo113]

Well there's definately enough blame to go around. Certainly in the case of GM and Ford's legacy costs, which are essentially bankrupting both companies, management made a huge mistake in the 1960-70's by agreeing to the types of pension and health provisions that they did. But this was the path of least resistance, as the alternative would have been prolonged strikes. The main problems with this is that when the unions negotiate benefits and wages which make the firm itself unprofitable then no one wins in the long run. This is exactly what happened in the NHL. But as mentioned, management is the one signing these contracts so they certainly have to take some responsibility.

When it comes down to it the best companies to run and to work for are the ones who don't need a union. They treat their workers with respect and don't try to screw them out of their share of the profits. You just need to look at Stelco and Dofasco. Both steel mills in Hamilton. Stelco had many strikes over the years and is now in bankruptcy or Defasco that never had a strike or a union and is doing very well.


Did the union's for Ford and GM hold a gun to their head to sign the agreement? Unless they did management is 100% responsible for the problems they face today. They agreed to a bad deal and they make shitty cars.

Well I wouldn't want reality to get in the way of your argument so I'll simply let you go on believing what you think to be true.

I know it to be true, in 20 years of management and 5 years of running my own business I never had a problem with a union over the firing of an employee. Every meeting with the employee would be attended by a shop steward and if the person was let go the shop steward had nothing to say as the evidence was too overwelming. They knew that trying to contest it would not go anywhere and would be a waste of time and money for them. The other employee's would know that the fired person was not pulling their weight and they were mostly glad to see them gone. If you really don't believe that you can fire lazy or incompetent employee's because they belong to a union then you need to take some courses in labour managment and human relations.