Taking an SP out socially, off the clock: any experience you want to share?

MissingOne

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You have the word of two mature, experienced reputable SP's that Tant is a respectful gentleman, and we have nothing to gain by speaking up on his behalf.
Quite so. Since you have met him, your opinions do carry more weight than anything else written here about Tantalizeme. Even without your opinions, there's no reason to believe that he is anything but sincere in his appreciation of women and other people in general.

Nonetheless, his choice of wording is at times unfortunate, in the impression that it creates. And his words are all that most of us will ever know of him.

By the way, Sarah and Angie are both high on my list of massage providers I'd love to see, but sadly for me I never will, for reasons of geography. I guess one point in Tantalizeme's favour is that he's willing to go well out of his way to meet interesting women, whereas I'm just too darn lazy.
 

kauffman

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Had a session recently with a topnotch Asian SP. As we lay chatting afterward, she mentioned she was bored and lonely in Vancouver.

I've an altruistic streak in my personality and suggested, on the spur of the moment, "Why don't you come dancing with me sometime?"

To my surprise, she asked me to punch my number into her phone. Two days later she calls me and asks whether I'm still up to taking her dancing.

"Sure," I say. "I pick you up at 7.30 tonight."

Most micro girls are socially isolated in Canada, so going to a dance in the company of a friendly client is probably a welcome escape for some of them. I don't really mind playing a good Samaritan for a hot Asian MILF—especially if I can practice my Mandarin.

Shortly after 7.30 PM I call to tell her I'm parked outside her place. Minutes later she comes out dressed in jeans and a colorful sweater, wearing barely any makeup.

It's only a short drive to the dancehall. Before we enter the hall, I sneak us into a disabled washroom. After a bit of groping I quickly change into my dance gear while letting her brush blue eye shadow on her eyelids. Makes her look a whole lot sexier to guys like me.

I pay the admission for the two of us. Would have been a classy gesture—and make her seem less like the typical female leech—if she had offered to buy her own ticket. But she doesn't.

As I anticipated, she's unfamiliar with standard dance steps, posture or lead and follow. Initially she's like a wild pony on the dance floor, but full of goodwill to learn. She's catching on amazingly quickly after dancing with me and several other guys.

One guy even asks me, "Where do you find these girls?" People probably don't suspect she's my SP, but even if they do, I don't give a rat's ass.

A few older Western guys show initial interest in her, but soon get discouraged by the language barrier. Learn a bit of Mandarin, fellows!

She eagerly chats with several Chinese dancers present, who clearly make her feel more at ease. And best of all, she's not clingy but smilingly watches me dance with other ladies. There're lots of civvies out dancing tonight.

But unlike civvies, she's far more willing to be lasciviously smoochy with me during a dance. She's just a sex machine, this girl—and her reflexes switch on automatically.

Usually I stay until closing time. But my charming companion, who's tireless in bed, isn't used to dancing and tells me she feels tired. I'm easy and agree to leave 45 min early.

It's the second time in my pooning career that I've taken an SP out socially, off the clock. The first time I did—over a year ago—was a major disappointment. The lady felt badly self-conscious and, probably out of defensiveness, spent most of her time on the phone rather than dancing with me or anyone else.

Compared to the SP I took out last year, this one was a lot more fun. The good times we shared in the dance hall translated into an especially wonderful late-night romp back at her place afterwards—though of course I paid full rate.

If she calls and asks me to take her out again, will I? Probably not.

There'd be too much predictability about doing so; we don't really have enough in common for a "meaningful" date; and even this time taking an SP to a dancehall full of civvies seemed a little like carrying snow to the North Pole.
lol. You ask HER out and expect she would offer to pay for her OWN ticket? yikes
 

cougarhunting

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I took out a semi-micro once... she was independent but did not speak english at ALL

Dinner and then jetted off to Modern nightclub for some dancing. It was a wonderful time. Maybe because we didn't have a chance to speak at the club!

Our night consisted of kissing and dancing and touching and feeling... and... yup

It is definitely fun to have the opp. to bring out one of the 'working ladies' but it is definitely not easy to convince them to cum ha!

J
 

wilde

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It's been a while since I have read or comment on one of brother (as he like to call other people) Tants' threads. A lot of great discussions here. Some SPs are pissed off because they think such activities should not be openly discussed. News flash, SPs are people too, they hang out with friends and families, so why not a client that you actually get along with. I have had a few occasions to hang out, have dinner, go dancing/raving, etc.

Bother Tant is taking a lot of heat for the people who perceive him as creepy, have smarmy condescension (I love this one, I think pompous is also applicable), misogynistic and so on and so forth. Other people love his posts and swear that he is a gentleman.

I read Tant's op and within the second paragraph his true color shines right through. I apologize if someone else has brought it up already. He wrote:

I've an altruistic streak in my personality and suggested, on the spur of the moment, "Why don't you come dancing with me sometime?"
See how brother Tant asking out someone to go dancing and it's all because he has such an altruistic streak. Someone please pass me a barf bag.

I remember a post by SFMike in one of brother Tant's review. I can't remember the exact words but the gist of it was that brother Tant's idea of a good session is an SP going along with his bag of tricks (panty, toys, etc) and script obediently.

Whether you love him or hate him, always remember to subtract 2 to 3 points off of his ratings especially in the looks department.
 

steverino

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I assumed he was being tongue in cheek about the altruism part.
 

tantalizeme

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lol. You ask HER out and expect she would offer to pay for her OWN ticket? yikes
Hey kauffman,

Always glad if my posts make brothers laugh. That's healthy. But I'm surprised what you found funny.

Actually, I had no realistic expectation that my companion would pay her own admission—just a forlorn hope that she might offer. I would have paid anyway.

But sometimes it's refreshing when a woman, or even an SP, breaks out of that money-extracting mould, don't you think? Women have fought so long and hard to be treated as equals. Why find it absurd or outrageous to expect them to pay their own way when going out?

True, I had invited this lady to the dance, but remember the context. It was in response to her complaint of boredom, and I took myself to be doing her a favor by liberating her temporarily from the confines of her micro.

I had already transferred $$ to her for services rendered, and she could anticipate another $$ after the dance. Had she surprised me by offering to pay her own admission, there's a chance I'd have developed a slight romantic projection on her that might have motivated me to repeat more often.
 

Sleepmonger

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Actually, I had no realistic expectation that my companion would pay her own admission—just a forlorn hope that she might offer. I would have paid anyway.
I'm curious as to if you ever considered difficulty in communication to be a factor here. I've no clue as to your proficiency in conversational mandarin or her's in english, but when I first started dating non-english speaking Japanese girls, diplomatic situations like offering to pay their way on dates made them feel uncomfortable.
 

mimi

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Someone pointed out that Asian women don't go Dutch...that would be a cultural thing, no? So, you need to understand the culture of the woman you are taking out for a date; I am surprised you didn't know that, having immersed yourself in their culture. You may have diminished yourself in her opinion had you asked her to pay her own way.

It would be a nicer date if the man would break out of that "sex-extracting mould", and just enjoy the evening as it is with no expectations other than good company. You do know that 'altruism' is about giving without the expectation of receiving?

"....Pure altruism consists of sacrificing something for someone other than the self (e.g. sacrificing time, energy or possessions) with no expectation of any compensation or benefits, either direct, or indirect (e.g., receiving recognition for the act of giving)."


Nice of you to take her out, though. A stranger in our country, with little English, would have trouble finding recreational activities
 
I had already transferred $$ to her for services rendered, and she could anticipate another $$ after the dance. Had she surprised me by offering to pay her own admission, there's a chance I'd have developed a slight romantic projection on her that might have motivated me to repeat more often.

Hang on... I thought this was "off the clock" as your title suggests. Seeing that my comment is #166, I do apologize if that has been addressed already. If $$ is involved, it is not social, it is business.

But sometimes it's refreshing when a woman, or even an SP, breaks out of that money-extracting mould, don't you think? Women have fought so long and hard to be treated as equals. Why find it absurd or outrageous to expect them to pay their own way when going out?
Personally, I always offer, but that is because I do not like anything to be expected of me. (And I know guys like it); however, I can afford to buy my OWN drinks!

It would be a nicer date if the man would break out of that "sex-extracting mould", and just enjoy the evening as it is with no expectations other than good company.
Amen to that! Oh and thanks for the clear definition of altruism.
 

PlayfulAlex

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Were they being pressured by a pimp/handler or was it other SP’s that wanted to collude in price fixing?
I'm still waiting to hear back about this too...I'm very curious as I thought that type of behavior was only really present among SW's.
I would call it 'peer pressure' more than collusion.
If you know anything about life in MPs, there's always some peer pressure (some friendly, some less so). What you wear, what you'll do, what you charge...and this is from the top-down. Many independents were once working in MPs, and they are still associating with friends they made there. It's called networking. Most smart business people don't just make up a number in their head when pricing; why should this field of endeavour be any different? It's actually quite logical.
 

Elle Diablo

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I completely agree with every word you said, its been exactly what I've been thinking. So you're not alone.
Ditto Caramel. And also, which has been mentioned previously, with regards to the female being a typical leech ... does he speak of your "regular" females in such a way. Talk about chivalry being dead.
 

Elle Diablo

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It was veg lasagna with a generous amount of edam and mozza on top. Delicious! Leah LOVES my cooking, I always try to teach her what I'm making when I cook for us but her attention span is a bit short lol. The building I stay at in Calgary is a...heavily populated building...and one of the girls who lives here is Leah so she just has to pop down on the elevator when she wants to visit.
Wow! That's sounds ideal ... something that does in fact sound to be quite foreign in Vancouver. Being a Vancouverite I am a little embarrassed of the unfriendly air we give off. I hate to be lumped as one the elitists.
 

Elle Diablo

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I would never do it, once women get into this biz they think every man is on some kind of taxi fare clock. Its get in their DNA , even their aura should have a fee if you go near it.
LOL ... honda761 you should take that schtick on the road!
 

tantalizeme

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A few last comments to cap off this lively thread

I took out a semi-micro once... she was independent but did not speak english at ALL

Dinner and then jetted off to Modern nightclub for some dancing. It was a wonderful time. Maybe because we didn't have a chance to speak at the club!

Our night consisted of kissing and dancing and touching and feeling... and... yup

It is definitely fun to have the opp. to bring out one of the 'working ladies' but it is definitely not easy to convince them to cum ha!

J
Thanks, cougarhunting, for that precious rarity: input that's right on topic.

And from your posting history I see, this was your first post ever. Welcome to our cozy, close-knit little community of brothers & sisters!:)

Great that you had fun taking an SP out for dinner and to a nightclub, despite the language barrier. You must be a real charmer to pull this one off. But perhaps such socializing happens more often than most pooners realize?

And, I am probably not the only one who thinks this, but it might seem that Tant has some kind of arrangement with Maggie. Otherwise why would she cut loose one of of her girls for an evening of fun, without compensation when she might otherwise be bringing in a few hundred dollars more.
Had to laugh at buddy SFMIKE's suspicion that I might have "some kind of arrangement" with Maggie so she lets me take her girls out.

Maggie knows me as a trustworthy customer, that's all. When I asked her if I could take one of her girls out dancing, she said she doesn't mind—as long as the girl wants to go, and it's not on a busy night when they're short-staffed.

Generally the best time for this, Maggie said, is during a girl's "days off." Apparently, during their period, some of these girls get awfully bored, and sometimes depressed, hanging around the micro with nothing to do, except to watch TV.

I imagine, different micro operators have different attitudes about their girls going out socially with pooners. But for Maggie's outfit, it's certainly no big taboo.

My honest impression is that Maggie's outfit takes relatively good care of their girls: putting them up in decent accommodations, sometimes taking them to Chinese restaurants as a group, and not unduly restricting their freedom (for example letting them travel to places like Victoria during their days off).

Makes total sense—because happier girls make better SPs, better SPs mean happier customers who're likely to come back, and regular customers mean bigger profits.
 

el_Lobo

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Never thought I'd post again, but this particular topic made me "rise from the dead" so to say. Anywho .... long, looOOOooong (bigdoggie days, if you know what I mean) time ago I treated myself with the company of two beautiful ladies from the island as they were visiting Vancouver. It was quite an experience because I connected with one of them so well, that we decided to go out and have a good time "off the clock". This continued with us attending an opera, hiking ... and then it became dicey. Feelings started to emerge and it was time to end it. She did retire soon after, and I can only hope that she is doing well and is happy.
 

sevenofnine

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It would be a nicer date if the man would break out of that "sex-extracting mould", and just enjoy the evening as it is with no expectations other than good company. You do know that 'altruism' is about giving without the expectation of receiving?
This thread is still going on.

My sp doesn't socialize with clients.
But she does with me.

Because exactly what she said, I enjoy her company that is it. And I guess to some extent with out putting words in her mouth she enjoys mine.

Its funny but when Im with an sp, and have put my money down, its kind of the same. I don't push them or demand anything from them, what happens happens that's it.

You know I usually have a good time.
I guess Im shit out of luck if I have my heart set on greek or facials.
No sp to date has begged me to stick things up her butt, or drop a load all over her face.

But I think sp's appreciate how I do things, Every sp I have ever been a regular with we eneded up having social time together.
And we have become friends.
I fail to understand why this is so difficult for some people.
 

Blonde Brynn

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My honest impression is that Maggie's outfit takes relatively good care of their girls: putting them up in decent accommodations, sometimes taking them to Chinese restaurants as a group, and not unduly restricting their freedom (for example letting them travel to places like Victoria during their days off).
How generous...
 

sevenofnine

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Just curious and this may be rude,

But why would you want to, or have a relationship with an sp.

I mean if you actually want to have a relationship with someone, and have some one to go out for lunches and coffee etc, what are you doing here?

I have I mean socialized with the sp's I seen.
But its not what I wanted from this hobby
The sp I see now, I only began to socalize with her after seeing her for years, and asking her to keep it professional. Its not what I wanted. But it is something that just happened we get along well.

But I have a wife, a marriage and a life, To have another person that competes for all that is just akward at times. Not to speak for the lady I see, but she has a life to, we do get together for free social times but to just find free time for it is hard. She has a life as well.
And in the end it seems, like what do we do next, where do we go from here. But we both have a life that were reluctant to give up and are not here to find some one as it were.

And the end of the day, its not what this hobby is about.
Again you shouldn't be here, if that is what your looking for.

Seeing sp's can give you a lot of confidence around women.
But if you want to test out your new found confidence,

It is a lot simpler to ask a civi out and go down that road.
Just a thought.
 
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