Taking an SP out socially, off the clock: any experience you want to share?

[Sleepmonger]

Unpaid advertising? I wonder if you'll get a warning, I know if I joked like that I sure would.

I know right... who would have ever guessed that an escort review board would be somewhat sexist in enforcing these kind of rules?

Unfortunately, that is the Elephant in the room with a small exception.
Some pooners go back and forth between more expensive Caucasian SP's and less expensive Asian SP's.

Soon, we will have a new, temporary, third group of pooners.
Sweet Petite Jessica will be gracing our city this summer giving us an “Asian” SP at a “Caucasian” rate.

Actually there has always been a couple of higher end Asian Independants, and they generally have really good reviews. I do however agree with people's comments that it's more an issue of economics than race. If someone cannot afford the average rates for independants their only real option is asian micros, that doesnt mean that asian independants have to charge a lower rate.

I also thank Sleepmonger for his somewhat ambivalent invitation to buy me a beer anytime

Anytime man, or other alcoholic beverage, I'm actually not much of a beer drinker.
There are far too few open minded people with similar interests around here, to pass up a chance at intelligent conversation just because I find your posts a bit condescending at times. I would probably turn mildly condescending as well if my opinions were constantly attacked.

One of them called me a "troll" filled with "swarmy condescendingness."

Actually he said Smarmy, as in you are so kind/diplomatic that it comes off as disingenuous.

Only a serial killer, she suggests, would bring his prefered brand of sexy lingerie to an SP (though I see, a sweet lady named Alexandria disagrees).

I've no clue her opinions on that, but for me it's not the bringing that's offputting, but our observation of its ritualistic nature, because we are only experiencing the event through our interpretation of your reviews. I've no similar fetishes, and tend to adapt my activities to the situation at hand. So, if I think about the mindset I would have to put myself into to ritualistically engage in this fetish as I observe it through your reviews it makes me feel uncomfortable. (despite how mild and harmless a fetish it is)

It's not really a reflection on you personally, just myself. I'm sure everyone has seen fetishes that to consider doing makes them feel weird. (not ripping or bringing pantyhose but the ritual of it)

Couldn't help noticing a certain meanness on this Board lately. The reasons for the number of grumps and meanies around here is probably that many people in this hobby are walking bundles of frustration, resentment and hostility—which they then displace on posters whose opinion they don't like.

Let me give them one piece of totally non-condescending advice: having a short fuse is a major handicap in this hobby, no matter whether you're a pooner or an SP.

I agree completely

 

[crunkory]

I would consider Tantamime more of a Narcissist than a hedonist. Too much free time, essay upon essay of self-aggrandizing and bolding members' names who support this esteem... Dancehall? Is this in Jamaica?

I do think Sevenofnine's comments to be the most thoughtful and realistic on this subject; also a very unique stream-of-consciousness writing (if that's what you're going for).

 

[lawrence8]

Some would call Asian SP’s over-worked and under-paid while others would call Western SP’s over-payed and under-worked.

To each his own.

At least one of this is true but this will stir up another storm.

 

[crunkory]

Big Blue Meanies vs. Sensitive Sallys

 

[Sleepmonger]

You have me at a disadvantage here.
The only time I look at ERS is to search for someone's 4 digits mentioned on PERB so the only Asian independents I'm aware of are Ayumi, whom I believe has semi-retired or perhaps only accepts repeating customers and Yoko Anna in Victoria (A quick check shows she’s almost done with FS).

Ayumi’s rates are only slightly above a micro, and Yoko’s are a little under most independents in Vancouver. Regardless of whether they feel “Compelled” or not, they both charge less than most Western independents.

To tell you the truth very few of the girls I visited and/or knew about last time I was in Vancouver are still working. I havent really gone on a search to see just who is still around.

The Asian independants I remember are Lacey Yung, CBC Cindy, Reiko, Ayumi and Yoko. I dont know much about Ayumi but the rest were very well reviewed and independant. I know Yoko has taken a break, and Lacey Yung seems to have disappeared as well. I dont know about Cindy and Reiko.

What about Petite Lauren and Cara Caresse?

 

[Sleepmonger]

Aren't they of the Eurasian variety? If they count then I guess Alisha More should be mentioned too.

Yeah they are, I'm not sure what counts... thats why the "?"

Alisha more is definitely worth a mention too, eurasian or not... Her pictures look absolutely amazing.

 

[MissingOne]

Different people will infer different things from a post. I actually stopped reading Tantalizeme's reviews some time ago, after I saw this title:

"... Perforating teenage flesh"

The use of that verb with respect to a person was utterly off-putting to me.

After seeing all this discussion, and Tantalizeme's responses, I wondered if my impression of the meaning of "perforate" was different than Tantalizeme's. I checked on dictionary.com and found this:

per·fo·rate

1. to make a hole or holes through by boring, punching, piercing, or the like.

2. to pierce through or to the interior of; penetrate.

3. to make a way through or into something; penetrate.

The first definition is that one that immediately comes to mind for me when I see that word, so to see "perforating flesh" in the title of a description of an encounter with an SP will for me give an immediate impression of wrongness.

I guess that for someone who first thinks of definition number 3, the word is more neutral. Certainly I have no idea what images "perforate" conjures for Tantalizeme. My comment is not about Tantalizeme's personality, integrity and ethics, about which I know absolutely nothing. I'm just commenting about the effect that a word had on me.

 

[Sharky66]

Maybe they would want to eventually turn themselves into a legitimate escort agency?

"legitimate escort agency" What is that?
I think they are all on the same legitimacy level.

 

[SFMIKE]

That brings up another interesting question - why don't they charge more for their girls? They must see what the going market rates are in the Vancouver area, so why wouldn't they want to increase their profit?

Maybe they figure they'll be more easily forgiven for all the scams and fake pics because they charge less?

Very simple answer: They are Maggie's girls and they know their worth. Low price and high volume. The girls represented in the ads are a far cry from reality, as many pooners have discovered who followed up on a review by Tant, only to come away very disallusioned.

It is a shame that one of our ladies cannot visit one of Maggie's girls and find that they a not quite as exceptional as Tant tries to make them out to be.

Unfortunately, this thread brings more attention to her set-up, and perhaps that was Tant's original intention.

If it was, it worked.

And, I am probably not the only one who thinks this, but it might seem that Tant has some kind of arrangement with Maggie. Otherwise why would she cut loose one of of her girls for an evening of fun, without compensation when she might otherwise be bringing in a few hundred dollars more.

Sometimes I wonder who writes Maggie's ads. Not her, for sure. Anybody have any ideas?

 

[yazoo]

Every once in a while the subject of Asian micros and pricing comes up. I'm sure that there is a degree of irritation amongst the non-asians, with the possible belief that they are being undercut. Sometimes that is expressed directly, other times it is couched in concern that micro staff are being exploited.

For the exploited argument, why is $140 - $200 per hour exploitive. And $300 not. Perhaps a $1,000 escort would consider $300 exploitive. As Winston Churchill said "We've established what you are, now we are just discussing price"

And as far as the undercutting - this may be valid to a degree - I can only speak for myself. I have never visited a non-asian provider. If the asian providers were not around, I probably wouldn't punt in Vancouver. So they haven't really undercut anyone - they've created their own market - and they compete with each other within that market.

It's the same as those with a $300 pricepoint don't really compete with the $1,000 and up people. They are different markets, with different customers, and different service levels.

The fact that we are all here on PERB may make it look like there is competition. I don't think that there is.

 

[sevenofnine]

I just texted my sp today.
I said we should get together,
and if any one read our text messages, you would never know we were escort and john.
what do you feel like doing, I asked her. where do you want to go what do you feel like no mention of a session of any kind.
just two normal people deciding if they want to go for supper or lunch or what.

We actually did go out for supper last week we went to her pub next to her place, and we both or she did sat there and remarked just how normal we are and how natural we were together.

My text to her just felt normal today,

I think at some point in this a big group of men that is what they want, for it to be just normal and natural.
its ego, does any women like me enough to just go out with me. I think at some point we need it want it.
That was the last think I wanted what I started this, I mean a friend, and honestly I don't have time for one, Im just so busy.
I mean who the fuck cares.
But I looked into her eyes, I cared, I treated her like a women and a friend, and guess what happened.

I am family guy married and enjoying it, the only problem I ever had with women is I get involved with to many of them.

I think also there are a bunch of guys who want that, but there to messed up they can't have it. So they get bitter and angry, all girls are gold diggers, they just want my money, or who the hell wants them there all broken.
They want it but can't have it so they lash out in anger.
And to be honest some guys just don't care.


Anger bitterness, I think comes from failing to get what we want, and instead of blaming our self were never wrong, of course not, some one else has to be at fault.

You know I only ever repeated with two escorts. Both of them were ok with social time from me, free.
One she lived on the edge, was just to fast and furious. I sort of balked when she suggested it.

This lady I see now, like I said I asked her to keep it between the lines. We did for years.
Finally we just said to hell with it. Haven't worked out the details yet. Still a work in progress.

But you know it just seems perfectly normal to me. That people would end up as friends. Certainly not with everyone.
And sometimes yeah its time to move on.

Like I said I think that is where people get so angry and bitter from, they want what they seem unable to obtain.

 

[steverino]

Do asian she-males charge less than caucasian she-males?

 

[barny-stinson]

The rumours about Tant are pure speculation based on how people interpret his writing, because that's all they have to go on.

Angie and I speak from personal experience people, and we confirm each other's impression of Tant.

Have any of his critics here met him in person?

Do any of his critics speak from personal experience with him?

Probably not. My only question is if he speaks this way in person, with all the rosey-prose and the try hard over zealous use of synonyms. I have a feeling its just his online persona.

 

[VanessaofBC]

The rumours about Tant are pure speculation based on how people interpret his writing, because that's all they have to go on.

Angie and I speak from personal experience people, and we confirm each other's impression of Tant.

Have any of his critics here met him in person?

Do any of his critics speak from personal experience with him?

Is there a single eye witness to him abusing a SP in any way?

Has a SP ever come forward and spoken of being mistreated by him?

Surely if any of these rumours were true, someone would have come up with some proof somehow?

You have the word of two mature, experienced reputable SP's that Tant is a respectful gentleman, and we have nothing to gain by speaking up on his behalf.

Okay ladies, (Ms.Sarah & Angie) I respect you both. But you know I always have my OWN opinion.

As a newcomer to the board this is what i first noticed about Tant..... "wolf in sheep's clothing" So he is a predator in disguise? I thought.

Then His signature "Leave them better than you found them". That makes him sound not so bad. Almost a nice guy.

However, other ladies have pointed out to me that he does sometimes approach things/write reviews/choose words from a bit of a "creepy" angle.

Perhaps he is a Gemini.

edit: Or maybe it is hard for ladies to know the actual thoughts of a client. The few reviews I have read of his are very, ummmm..... thorough/graphic.

 

[VanessaofBC]

I do not want to reveal too much as we all must use discretion when talking about an SP or client/pooner. But thi things I shared we talked about truly showed he does care about woman, we breifly talked of my friend who was killed a few years ago, talked about my plans in the industry, and just everyday stuff. He is a good kind man, he is one that likes to write, he is just a very interesting normal guy. I have met my crazies I am a good judge of character.

So until you meet and him or anyone really we should not be going and judging by what you read on the internet.
Like I have said I have met a few men in my years from PERb and other boards, to find out their member name after the fact, and they were not the same person you see writing things in threads and posts. We can all hide behind our computer and pretend to be who we are not. Some of us are real and some not.
Not sure if that makes sence or not. But that is about all I can say in Tants defense.

We are all nice to someone, some of the time. Otherwise we wouldn't get the things we want.

 

[badbadboy]

Every once in a while the subject of Asian micros and pricing comes up. I'm sure that there is a degree of irritation amongst the non-asians, with the possible belief that they are being undercut. Sometimes that is expressed directly, other times it is couched in concern that micro staff are being exploited.

For the exploited argument, why is $140 - $200 per hour exploitive. And $300 not. Perhaps a $1,000 escort would consider $300 exploitive. As Winston Churchill said "We've established what you are, now we are just discussing price"

And as far as the undercutting - this may be valid to a degree - I can only speak for myself. I have never visited a non-asian provider. If the asian providers were not around, I probably wouldn't punt in Vancouver. So they haven't really undercut anyone - they've created their own market - and they compete with each other within that market.

It's the same as those with a $300 pricepoint don't really compete with the $1,000 and up people. They are different markets, with different customers, and different service levels.

The fact that we are all here on PERB may make it look like there is competition. I don't think that there is.

I think the irony of this whole discussion is people who have traveled to China, especially Hong Kong as I have would be High Fiving themselves for being able to buy a Northface jacket that was made "off the clock" for $30. They would also be the same ones who would say on a forum that guys like Tant or SFMike et al who visit micros are exploiting Asian women which is utter bullshit. If they want to charge $140/hour that is up to them. They are high volume low price SP's. Personally, I prefer the SP who sees one or a couple per day max which turns out to be non Asian SP's. CBC's typically charge as much or more than caucasian etc etc but you see the point is the Asian Micro's have girls here on visitor permits which allows them to make a lot of cash in a short period and then return to China. Same argument about the SP's here that are headed to Newfoundland to make $28K in 3 weeks. They know about "show me the money" as do the local Asian SP's.

Next time you are in Walmart or in the new Target stores check out where everything is made and think about the people who made it and were paid $2/day. If your conscience bothers you that much, don't buy it if its made in China. Other than my cell phone, I try to buy Canadian or from the USA if possible. My jackets are either Arcteryx (Canadian Made not Chinese made) or another US made product and same with my clothing. I do it two fold; one being I want to support North American workers and I don't like the sweat shops that I have seen while traveling in Asia.

 

[steverino]

I think I will change my handle to tanterino.

 

[barny-stinson]

I agree with a lot of your points here, after watching Manufactured Landscapes my view of things that were "made in China" changed dramatically..
But I feel I should point out that these micro girls don't set their own rates.

Neither do any of the agency ladies. Maybe the exception of exclusive foxes that are $100 higher from what I have seen.

It would be awesome to buy only products made in Canada, but then we'll be spending way more $ on basic products, sadly it's just an accepted way of life here.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

for all of human history, it's been the way you help a nation fight it's way out of poverty - by trading with them

however, it doesn't happen overnight... nor in a generation... possibly not for centuries

many other things have to happen as well, but one thing is basic... trade

without trade and the benefits it brings, a nation will remain in a state of feudalism forever

 

[badbadboy]

I agree with a lot of your points here, after watching Manufactured Landscapes my view of things that were "made in China" changed dramatically..
But I feel I should point out that these micro girls don't set their own rates.

Agreed but most SP's don't set their own rates either. Free market system allows people to see what their perceived competitors charge and they set their rates accordingly. I have spoken to a few SP's who were being pressured to up their rates who felt their rates were too low. Seems like free market economy is not what local SP's want but more of price fixing. You see it at the gas pump and now with SP's too.