syrian refugees n isis

[Sonny]

An interesting take on the situation. The guiding hand of Vladimir Putin.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/charles-krauthammer-putins-clever-cynical-syria-strategy-befuddles-white-house-once-again

 

[mil]

Didn't your parents or ancestors come to Canada for the same the reasons as the refugees? To seek a safer and more prosperous life? The US tried training a group of fighters to fight ISIS and it's been a big failure so far. What about all the Muslims that are already living here, should we send them all back? Somehow I think if the refugees were white and spoke English the situation would somehow be different.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34278233

nope ... absolutely wrong and NO....
they were sent by the CROWN to establish and build a GAS system and ELEC. system to Vancouver.
so , NOT refugees.
and that is usually the lame new canadian rebuttal....and a few generations after our family sacrificed several family members in world war ! and 2...
so dont feed me that , indians were here first shit . especially if u just got out of the CAN.
I dont want islamization of canada , and will fight to stop it !!!

 

[mil]

Didn't your parents or ancestors come to Canada for the same the reasons as the refugees? To seek a safer and more prosperous life? The US tried training a group of fighters to fight ISIS and it's been a big failure so far. What about all the Muslims that are already living here, should we send them all back? Somehow I think if the refugees were white and spoke English the situation would somehow be different.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34278233

nope ... absolutely wrong and NO....
they were sent by the CROWN to establish and build a GAS system and ELEC. system to Vancouver.
so , NOT refugees.
and that is usually the lame new canadian rebuttal....and a few generations after our family sacrificed several family members in world war ! and 2...
so dont feed me that , indians were here first shit . especially if u just got out of the CAN.
I dont want islamization of canada , and will fight to stop it !!!:eyebrows:

 

[vancity_cowboy]

i read about these folks paying upwards of 2 to 6 grand for boats, etc. to get out of the country

2 to 6 grand will buy quite a few ak47's plus LOTS of ammo. lets say 1/5 of these folks are capable of bearing arms - so that makes at least a million people (1/5 of 5 million) that could form an armed militia, surely enough to kick that damned isis into the sea

so if they don't care about their own country enough to fight for it, what the hell are they going to do here in ours?

 

[Tugela]

If you look at the pictures of these migrants, a disproportionate number of them are young males ranging from teenagers to 20 something. They are generally young, strong, with few commitments tying them to home and family, so they have gone on an adventure to seek their fortune. These are the people who should be defending their homes, not running away leaving the women, children and old people to their fate. Those people (the ones who really need help) are too slow and/or feeble to make the journey to Europe, so they have been left behind to the tender mercies of ISIS and others. I don't see a whole lot of nobility going on here.

Although this situation is being framed as a "refugee" problem, it is in reality a migrant problem. Most of these people are not fleeing anything, they are using the situation in Syria and other places as an excuse to try to get into richer countries to get better jobs and make money.

 

[apl16]

nope ... absolutely wrong and NO....
they were sent by the CROWN to establish and build a GAS system and ELEC. system to Vancouver.
so , NOT refugees.
and that is usually the lame new canadian rebuttal....and a few generations after our family sacrificed several family members in world war ! and 2...
so dont feed me that , indians were here first shit . especially if u just got out of the CAN.
I dont want islamization of canada , and will fight to stop it !!!:eyebrows:

And, I don't want the christo-fascists running our country! Vote out Harper!

 

[UhOh]

If you look at the pictures of these migrants, a disproportionate number of them are young males ranging from teenagers to 20 something. They are generally young, strong, with few commitments tying them to home and family, so they have gone on an adventure to seek their fortune. These are the people who should be defending their homes, not running away leaving the women, children and old people to their fate. Those people (the ones who really need help) are too slow and/or feeble to make the journey to Europe, so they have been left behind to the tender mercies of ISIS and others. I don't see a whole lot of nobility going on here.

Although this situation is being framed as a "refugee" problem, it is in reality a migrant problem. Most of these people are not fleeing anything, they are using the situation in Syria and other places as an excuse to try to get into richer countries to get better jobs and make money.

And with little intention of assimilating to the customs of their new neighbors. Let the women and children stay, send the rest back where they came from

 

[hankmoody]

This article is old but dumbs it down from the start.
Sounds like quite a mess and may have to let it run its course.
Sometimes you have to stand up for yourself no matter what the consequences. For those who choose to run, refugee camps close by make more sense to me than flying them around the world to countries with different languages, interests, values, cultures, winter ect.
Apparently there is a large one in northern Iraq with 2 million that has turned into a community with stores, schools ect. Turkey as well.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-about-syria-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask/

This one is a little longer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

 

[wetnose]

We have more than a few deserted mining towns or old army bases - I'm sure we can easily repurpose them. It's great that they're able bodied and young - all the easier to integrate them.

 

[Ray]

Most of the able bodied young men are escaping being recruited by the dictatorship and/or ISIS. It doesn't matter who wins this war, the people are screwed. That's why they leave.
It does disturb me that they seem to have abandoned the women and children though. One of my friends picked up on that too.

 

[sybian]

Look!...Guys..You keep using the words "Recruited" and " Leaving their families behind"..These young guys have a gun held to their heads and are TOLD to fight for ISIS.
If they don't, their mother and sisters are raped, then everybody is executed...The young man is last so he can witness what result his decision has made...Then their bodies are piled up and left to bloat in the sun.
All that occurs in the street, so when they go to the next house ,they may get a different answer.
You are all looking at it from a North American perspective...If they don't go, they all die starting from the youngest...If they go and fight ...The family at least has a chance.
ISIS is an unstoppable war machine to an unarmed 18 year old kid,...They are already in power, they have the weapons, they have the resources, they have food...And they now have a gun to his head, never mind the rest of his family. It's very easy to judge when it's not your kid sister being brutalized, or your mothers hands being shot off for entertainment.
If they have not been conscripted unwillingly, their only chance is to leave.

 

[frisky business]

ISIS is an unstoppable war machine to an unarmed 18 year old kid,...They are already in power, they have the weapons, they have the resources, they have food...And they now have a gun to his head, never mind the rest of his family. It's very easy to judge when it's not your kid sister being brutalized, or your mothers hands being shot off for entertainment.

Thanks for a kick to the gut, sybian. I mean that - not sarcastic.

Amnesty International says 141 countries (out of 196 in the world) practice torture, for political reasons. Westerners, especially our leaders, need to be doing much more to build up stable and accountable governments in those god-forgotten places.

 

[sybian]

Thanks...I thought long and hard before posting that, but I've been over there, as well as had guns held to my head, and.. held guns to their heads... and for some brief moments I was taken and "Questioned" by knife point...If you know what I mean.
Unless you've been there, it's hard to grasp, and unless you've been there and seen it...You struggle everyday about going back.
God-forgotten is very well said...and I take my hat off to you.

 

[sdw]

Thanks...I thought long and hard before posting that, but I've been over there, as well as had guns held to my head, and.. held guns to their heads... and for some brief moments I was taken and "Questioned" by knife point...If you know what I mean.
Unless you've been there, it's hard to grasp, and unless you've been there and seen it...You struggle everyday about going back.
God-forgotten is very well said...and I take my hat off to you.

What Americans and Canadians can't seem to get into their heads is that when Idi Amin or the Taliban take control of your country - you run or you die. I know some Afghan women that arrived in Canada in 1996 at the beginning of the Afghan civil war (1996 - 2001). They stopped trying to explain that you run or you die. There is no speaking against the government. I also know some Ismalies that escaped Uganda in 1973. Same thing, you run or you die.

People have forgotten or never learned the lessons of Nazi Germany. Any Jew, Homosexual or Gypsy who did not run - died. There are no living Jews who stood on the street corner and said "you bad Nazis, you shouldn't kill us".

Of course Canada wasn't accepting an Jews that were trying to run from Germany in the 1930s because we had many elected members of parliament that believed in the same things that the Nazis believed in.

 

[Tugela]

Most of the able bodied young men are escaping being recruited by the dictatorship and/or ISIS. It doesn't matter who wins this war, the people are screwed. That's why they leave.
It does disturb me that they seem to have abandoned the women and children though. One of my friends picked up on that too.

There are more than two sides, the problem is that the moderate majority chooses to run rather than fight for their homes and families. Someone has to do it, otherwise they will be governed by the people they deserve. And in any case, these people are not fleeing from
Syria, they are in Turkey and have been there for some time.

 

[Tugela]

Look!...Guys..You keep using the words "Recruited" and " Leaving their families behind"..These young guys have a gun held to their heads and are TOLD to fight for ISIS.
If they don't, their mother and sisters are raped, then everybody is executed...The young man is last so he can witness what result his decision has made...Then their bodies are piled up and left to bloat in the sun.
All that occurs in the street, so when they go to the next house ,they may get a different answer.
You are all looking at it from a North American perspective...If they don't go, they all die starting from the youngest...If they go and fight ...The family at least has a chance.
ISIS is an unstoppable war machine to an unarmed 18 year old kid,...They are already in power, they have the weapons, they have the resources, they have food...And they now have a gun to his head, never mind the rest of his family. It's very easy to judge when it's not your kid sister being brutalized, or your mothers hands being shot off for entertainment.
If they have not been conscripted unwillingly, their only chance is to leave.

Bullshit. There are other sides that they could fight for. The problem is that no one WANTS to fight Isis or Assad's forces. There are other forces, the Kurds in the east, and a few other groups in the north, but they have trouble getting motivated volunteers to fight. Probably because half the young men in the country are trying to get into Europe to seek their fortune.

 

[Tugela]

Thanks...I thought long and hard before posting that, but I've been over there, as well as had guns held to my head, and.. held guns to their heads... and for some brief moments I was taken and "Questioned" by knife point...If you know what I mean.
Unless you've been there, it's hard to grasp, and unless you've been there and seen it...You struggle everyday about going back.
God-forgotten is very well said...and I take my hat off to you.

I have seen kids take on tanks in the street using stones, so don't give me that. If you want your freedom you fight for it, you don't get it by running away with your tail between your legs, expecting other people to feel sorry for you or do the fighting for you.

 

[Tugela]

What Americans and Canadians can't seem to get into their heads is that when Idi Amin or the Taliban take control of your country - you run or you die. I know some Afghan women that arrived in Canada in 1996 at the beginning of the Afghan civil war (1996 - 2001). They stopped trying to explain that you run or you die. There is no speaking against the government. I also know some Ismalies that escaped Uganda in 1973. Same thing, you run or you die.

People have forgotten or never learned the lessons of Nazi Germany. Any Jew, Homosexual or Gypsy who did not run - died. There are no living Jews who stood on the street corner and said "you bad Nazis, you shouldn't kill us".

Of course Canada wasn't accepting an Jews that were trying to run from Germany in the 1930s because we had many elected members of parliament that believed in the same things that the Nazis believed in.

Half the countries in the world have won their independence by rising up against far more powerful occupiers. What usually happens in those circumstances is that the people find out that those powerful occupiers aren't really all that powerful after all. A few may die along the way but eventually the local population wins. People who run lose their homes and their way of life forever, there is no going back for those sorts - those who stay will not want them back anyway. Their attitude will be good riddance to bad rubbish. If you want to keep those things you fight for them. Groups like Isis are a tiny minority, if the local population simply stood up to them Isis would lose. The only reason they win is because the locals either let them or run away. In fact, the main reason Isis is there at all is because these people now fleeing Syria LET them do the fighting for them against Assad, and guess what, the bad guys willing to die for their religion turned out to be bad guys after all. The average Syrian stood back and said, "well, these religious fanatics are going to do all the dying for us, and kick Assad out, so we don't have to", but forgot that once Assad was out the people in charge were going to be those exact same religious fanatics. When you don't fight your own battles, you surrender yourself to the tender mercies of those who will fight those battles. But don't cry later when you find out that mercy isn't part of the deal.

In Germany the Nazis could do what they did because everyone looked the other way and did nothing, or they ran away. Hardly anyone resisted them at all until it was way too late. It is exactly the same problem as what is happening in Syria. If you want freedom and are faced by hard men, you have to take it, it isn't going to be given to you.

 

[overdone]

Look!...Guys..You keep using the words "Recruited" and " Leaving their families behind"..These young guys have a gun held to their heads and are TOLD to fight for ISIS.
If they don't, their mother and sisters are raped, then everybody is executed...The young man is last so he can witness what result his decision has made...Then their bodies are piled up and left to bloat in the sun.
All that occurs in the street, so when they go to the next house ,they may get a different answer.
You are all looking at it from a North American perspective...If they don't go, they all die starting from the youngest...If they go and fight ...The family at least has a chance.
ISIS is an unstoppable war machine to an unarmed 18 year old kid,...They are already in power, they have the weapons, they have the resources, they have food...And they now have a gun to his head, never mind the rest of his family. It's very easy to judge when it's not your kid sister being brutalized, or your mothers hands being shot off for entertainment.
If they have not been conscripted unwillingly, their only chance is to leave.

Al-Assad family, they've been in power in Syria since 1971, what's your excuse for the pop putting up with it for 40yrs?

a country gets the gov't they deserve, you can't govern a dead pop, if people won't stand up to a tyrant/evil, why should the rest of the world help?

The majority of the fleeing migrants I see on the news look like able bodied men

there's reports of millions fled Syria, how many are 18+ able bodied men? ISIS is supposedly only what 100,000?

and it isn't like they haven't been offered help, maybe not the best, but some has been offered

The Americans, a while ago now, would have trained any willing to fight, they reportedly have 4 or 5 left out of a few hundred Syrians that volunteered

I personally think the people still in the area are the people who deserve help, attention

first thing is properly arm the Kurds who stayed, fuck Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Russia

give the Kurds, a mostly civilized sect of Muslims, who are willing to fight for their own destiny, all the weapons/support they need

let them take over, they are at least willing to help themselves

take the able 18+ men migrating, offer them 8 weeks basic, if they refuse, put a parachute on their back and drop them back in Syria in ISIS territory

take the women and children and offer them safety

the one's already safely out of harm don't appear to be looking for help to go back and reclaim their country?

don't see why anyone should have any sympathy for that

 

[sybian]

Allright Tugela..I'm just full of "Bullshit"...Like I give a shit.