Why is it that police officers are always Suspended WITH PAY. Isn't that like giving them a paid holiday? I don't understand that. Any other profession in Canada would fire you or suspend you WITHOUT PAY if you were caught dealing drugs, drinking and driving, etc. However, police seem to get a slap on the wrist when they get caught doing this. A paid holiday.
Suspended With Pay
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Ummm...shouldn't that mean no suspension then? Work until found guilty?Innocent until proven guilty, the police have it right. Professions, which suspend without pay before proof of guilt, have it wrong.
With police it is typically something criminal or verging on criminal that they get suspended for. The department is in a no-win situation. If they make them work, and they were charged with use of excessive force, and then kill somebody using excessive force, they will get roasted for letting somebody who was suspected of that problem to continue to work. Police mostly deal with scumbags. The likely hood of somebody erroneously raising a complaint is quite high so if you suspended them without pay you would have a morale issue.Ummm...shouldn't that mean no suspension then? Work until found guilty?
We all dislike the police when they give us speeding or parking tickets that seem pointless. Busting pooners and SPs seems close minded, stupid and like harassment. Busting people for selling pot verges on the ludicrous. But answering domestic violence calls, calls when somebody has broken into your house, enforcing restraining orders, breaking up fights on the street and other acts which put them in personal danger for public safety, makes it a fairly tough job.
If there is a risk of harm to the public then this must also be addressed.Ummm...shouldn't that mean no suspension then? Work until found guilty?
Paid suspension addresses public safety and the presumption of innocence.
Dismissal can still occur if guilt is found through due process.
This is the story that had me asking the question. They clearly say she was linked to the operation, yet they suspended her with pay.
The Calgary Police Service is conducting an internal security audit after one of its civilian employees was linked to a pair of marijuana grow-ops busted this week.
Members of the Southern Alberta Marijuana Investigative Team (SAMIT) raided a pair of homes in Chestermere on Tuesday -- one in the 100 block of Springmere Rd. and the other in the 100 block of Springmere Cl. -- where they found more than 400 plants and 32 kg of packaged bud worth about $535,000.
Cops also found information in one of the homes that led them to a home in the 400 block of Queen Charlotte Rd. S.E., where they found another 430 plants.
In total, marijuana found in the three homes was valued at $1.4 million.
Two people were arrested inside one of the Chestermere homes, and cops have now charged Lan Nguyen Dang, 30, and Van Tranh Pham, 36.
For the past two years, Dang had served as the customer service administrator for the CPS facilities section but is now suspended without pay, said Supt. Ken Marchant of the specialized investigations unit.
"She worked for our facilities building so if you needed furniture moved or a locker set up and things like that," he said.
While cops said the grow operations were well organized, they're not sure if Dang was a member of an organized crime group or trying to infiltrate police ranks on their behalf.
"She had limited access to our internal servers within her duties," said Marchant. "And she had no access outside her duties.
Marchant said once the audit is finished, they will decide then if changes need to be made to improve security, adding in his several years with the CPS, this is the first time he has seen a civilian member charged with such a serious crime.
"It does have an impact because even though we're getting to be a fairly large organization, we are still fairly close," said Marchant.
Staff Sgt. Darren Cave of the drug unit called the grow operations "sophisticated."
The Calgary Police Service is conducting an internal security audit after one of its civilian employees was linked to a pair of marijuana grow-ops busted this week.
Members of the Southern Alberta Marijuana Investigative Team (SAMIT) raided a pair of homes in Chestermere on Tuesday -- one in the 100 block of Springmere Rd. and the other in the 100 block of Springmere Cl. -- where they found more than 400 plants and 32 kg of packaged bud worth about $535,000.
Cops also found information in one of the homes that led them to a home in the 400 block of Queen Charlotte Rd. S.E., where they found another 430 plants.
In total, marijuana found in the three homes was valued at $1.4 million.
Two people were arrested inside one of the Chestermere homes, and cops have now charged Lan Nguyen Dang, 30, and Van Tranh Pham, 36.
For the past two years, Dang had served as the customer service administrator for the CPS facilities section but is now suspended without pay, said Supt. Ken Marchant of the specialized investigations unit.
"She worked for our facilities building so if you needed furniture moved or a locker set up and things like that," he said.
While cops said the grow operations were well organized, they're not sure if Dang was a member of an organized crime group or trying to infiltrate police ranks on their behalf.
"She had limited access to our internal servers within her duties," said Marchant. "And she had no access outside her duties.
Marchant said once the audit is finished, they will decide then if changes need to be made to improve security, adding in his several years with the CPS, this is the first time he has seen a civilian member charged with such a serious crime.
"It does have an impact because even though we're getting to be a fairly large organization, we are still fairly close," said Marchant.
Staff Sgt. Darren Cave of the drug unit called the grow operations "sophisticated."
I know, I caught that, but the television news said WITH PAY this morning. But it still got me thinking about the cops that do get suspended with pay.Jenn ....Please read your own report again, it says without pay
I wish I could get suspended with pay
I'm jealous of cops. Suspended with pay, what a bonus.
I think cops have it easy. I have a cop friend.
He walks around like he has a 12" cock. Has more time off that I would ever know what to do with. Gets to retire at 50 with a full pension. Knows his family are safe from the regular bullshit us citizens have to put up with as they are under the protection of the badge. He can have an extra beer at the bar before we drive home. The most important thing they are taught as rookies is to constantly spew the mantra, that "hey man you don't know what it's like till you walk in our shoes,.... oh and the other one, we risk our lives everyday... bla bla bla , what a bunch of crap. They are safer that any of us will ever be.
I'm jealous of cops. Suspended with pay, what a bonus.
I think cops have it easy. I have a cop friend.
He walks around like he has a 12" cock. Has more time off that I would ever know what to do with. Gets to retire at 50 with a full pension. Knows his family are safe from the regular bullshit us citizens have to put up with as they are under the protection of the badge. He can have an extra beer at the bar before we drive home. The most important thing they are taught as rookies is to constantly spew the mantra, that "hey man you don't know what it's like till you walk in our shoes,.... oh and the other one, we risk our lives everyday... bla bla bla , what a bunch of crap. They are safer that any of us will ever be.
5 years experience with a few hours of OT a week will make over 100K here in Winnipeg
Damn, you just reminded me of how much they make on overtime. My buddy told me that he and his crew (it must be nice to have that type of backup/support) will go to court anytime they can because they get paid so much overtime to do it.
I swear joe public is indoctrinated by the media and tv about the difficult job of a peace officer. It's bullshit. It's a lot less stressful that what most of us have to put us with. Oh one other thing. Officer safety is the #1 priority not us. They look out for themselves first, then turn their attention to assisting the public. To protect and serve is a complete myth. I swear my buddy is completely fearless and knows absolutely nobody will fuck with him or his family.
Damn, you just reminded me of how much they make on overtime. My buddy told me that he and his crew (it must be nice to have that type of backup/support) will go to court anytime they can because they get paid so much overtime to do it.
I swear joe public is indoctrinated by the media and tv about the difficult job of a peace officer. It's bullshit. It's a lot less stressful that what most of us have to put us with. Oh one other thing. Officer safety is the #1 priority not us. They look out for themselves first, then turn their attention to assisting the public. To protect and serve is a complete myth. I swear my buddy is completely fearless and knows absolutely nobody will fuck with him or his family.
Funny enough, there's an Edmonton cop who was recently charged with DUI after he hit another car, putting the driver in the hospital. He's suspended with pay.these guys would leave just shitfaced and brag that they didn't have to worry aobut a DUI.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/05/13/5548406-sun.html
Go figure!Funny enough, there's an Edmonton cop who was recently charged with DUI after he hit another car, putting the driver in the hospital. He's suspended with pay.
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/05/13/5548406-sun.html
same with that lady cop that killed those 2 kids
on kingsway last year....suspended with pay...
I believe it;s the same with teachers when they are under investigation for crimes....or they get their legal bills paid, even the child molestors...
on kingsway last year....suspended with pay...
I believe it;s the same with teachers when they are under investigation for crimes....or they get their legal bills paid, even the child molestors...
So much for their psych evaluations.
I used to crew with a psychologist who had the job of doing personality and psych tests on men and women going into law enforcement. He told me that a significant minority of those testing (most of whom remained in the program regardless) had profiles exactly the same as criminals who wrote the same tests. You had to be quite a psycho not to remain in the program. For many years when I worked in education I dealt with LE students and found most pleasant and socially well adjusted. There were always a few who had major attitude problems, though. Interestingly, they often became the leading peers in their groups. Kinda weird.
Another buddy of mine was a cop in a large city in Canada back in the 1970s. He left after a few years because of the violent and criminal behaviour of some of his fellow officers. He said he knew of significant cases of domestic abuse that were impossible to prosecute or take action against because of the collusion of others in the organization. Drinking and drug-abuse were common. The majority of officers weren't involved in the corruption and violence but remaned willfully ignorant of the goings on. The last straw for him was the gang rape of a teenaged drug-addicted SP that was alone in a cellblock one night. The officers involved were never disciplined in any way. He was haunted by this stuff for years. I suspect that today such things would not be so openly tolerated.
That said, I also know officers who are stand-up guys and have faced down serious criminals, risking their lives, and facing post-traumatic stress disorder due to taking down criminals with deadly force. Some are advocates for drug reform and spend time working in the community to prevent kids from taking up a life of crime.
