Suggestion for SPURTS

[Fractals]

I wish PERB or some other site has the capability to pool ratings of SPs and compute the average rating and some other stats like the range of ratings (or sd which is good to know when one is looking at the of average ratings). The PERB section can be called SPs Unified Ratings and Tips Sections (SPURTS) or whatever.

SPs will be rated on looks, service, attitude (as customarily done by pooners in the review section) and other pertinent characteristics like cleanliness of the incall, safer sex practices, devotion to cock worship, etc.

Using SPURTS, clients will be able to see at a glance, the SPs that have been reviewed by many as well as the ones who are consistently rated as excellent/poor in service and/or attitude. A client can quickly select a spinner if he's in the mood for that. Or if he wants to be treated like a king/god and is not looking for someone gorgeous, all he needs to do is search by looks and attitude. And if he wants to be treated like a king by a Megan Fox look-alike, assuming an SP of such caliber exists, he can do that too.

This should benefit SPs as well especially the ones that receive consistently high ratings because they will be the ones who will attract more clients. Other SPs who want to drum up business will get a better sense of what's important to clients by looking at the ratings of other SPs. They can also track their ratings to see if they are improving or if some of the things they have changed recently are attracting or driving away clients. It may be used to determine how much an SP can charge; someone who consistently have excellent ratings in the LAS departments can probably command higher fees.

As to the downside, I can think of some. One, SPURTS can be gamed, but this is something that is NOT technically impossible to prevent. Two, clients may try to avoid SPs rated by so many guys in so short a time (a.k.a the high-mileage image problem). Three, the conservatives (who should not be looking at or using the system in the first place) will see the system as another attempt to treat women/sex as objects to trade in an open market.

Any thoughts?

 

[Fractals]

The yes/no response categories might be better and more valid given that it's easier to use than a 1 to 10 scale. It is also so much easier to interpret pooled scores based on a yes/no response.

As for attractiveness, maybe it's a quality that can be dissected further like:
yes/no Gave me wood right away
yes/no Pettite
yes/no Voluptuous
yes/no Skinny/Model-type body
yes/no Young-looking

I agree with your thoughts about the menu.

I'm not sure about the fairness/utility of rating price.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Well, I think the idea is just awesome.

Imagine how thrilled the ladies will be to know they can be graded, rated, and categorized in a neat and tidy formulaic way just like Consumer Reports for, say, cars, or even toasters.

Perhaps there will even be some pie charts.

What's behind our Ratings?

CR's reliability Ratings are based on our most recent annual survey reflecting 1.3 million vehicles and 10 model years.

 

[Tugela]

Ratings are pointless because everyone has a different opinion. What some think is great others might think is not so much, depending on the personal preferences, even though both had exactly the same experience.

If someone is going to write a review, it should be about their personal experience, not arbitary numbers.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

negative reviews supplied by competing sp's would interfere with the system, and there are plenty of them taking place every day here on perb

then there are the high volume reviewers that are really nothing more than shills for sp's who are part of a stable

i met one sp who was a perb sensation at the time who told me that the first guy who reviewed her on perb didn't even have sex with her, yet his review provided quite graphic details of the act. she told me his review then sort of started an avalanche in which many reviewers tried to outdo the others, but in reality most of them were two-minute wonders. she gave me the perb identities of many of them and some of them are still posting under the same names today. others have changed names and others have disappeared, been banned etc.

no, i think what we have is about as good as it is going to get for a public board

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Well, I think the idea is just awesome.

Imagine how thrilled the ladies will be to know they can be graded, rated, and categorized in a neat and tidy formulaic way just like Consumer Reports for, say, cars, or even toasters.

Perhaps there will even be some pie charts.

haha well, I was resisting posting my impressions but now that you've broken the ice I guess I don't feel as bad about saying what I think. Actually, I'll let a few images do the talking for me, it's pretty straightforward anyway.

What I would really like to know though, is whether we are going to get special pretty ribbons if our scores are good??

oooh pretty ribbons.

I'm sure it wasn't meant to be offensive but I believe a friendly reminder might be in order: this may come as a shock but you're discussing actual real people, not inanimate products on a shelf or a nice piece of furniture...! Thanks.

And that's that.

 

[OriannaXO]

Ya hit the nail on the head Ms Bijou and made me laugh a ton too, sometimes I do feel like a peice of meat being graded as opposed to a human being....very awkward indeed.

 

[sevenofnine]

its the price you have to pay isn't it
being rated reviewed having perhaps how you fuck being graded and put out for almost everyone to see
i can understand why some girls might not or think its to personal or degrading
i do but
its the price of doing business isn't it.
from a guys perspective it costs alot of money
and it would be nice to know before hand
if her pictures are accurate or there like ten years old or not even her,
and maybe if she kisses etc,
i personally think i have a right to know these things and more

but i have found reviews are pretty much useless
even if you pm the the guy that reviewed the girl and ask him directly
something like does she do bbbj or how much she weighs
you won't get a straight answer

and unfortunatly the girls have an in, they can delete any thing they want
the most honest review site is theeroticreview.com
it howerver is a pay site,
but the girls are talked about reviewed in a pretty honest and frank review

and quite honestly if the girl is good she doesn't mind honesty

 

[Fractals]

I actually anticipated some of these responses as I mentioned in my first post: gaming the system and objectification of women and sex. I wasn't trying to be offensive to the women and if I was, my apologies, that was never my intention.

I'm just thinking that ratings and reviews are happening here all the time and those reviewers used words or categories that I and alinburnaby just gave as examples. Perb was actually made financially viable/sustainable based on the premise that ratings and comments from clients help the industry. So I am not suggesting a completely novel idea here. What I am proposing is just to make it systematic.

I guess what I'm hearing right now is that it's ok to provide ratings and reviews as long as you do not do it in a systematic way. And that an open system that is already being abused is preferred to one that is formulaic/systematic but potentially more helpful.

SPs are human beings that provide specific services. And like other people doing businesses by providing services for a fee, they can be evaluated as pointed out by sevenofnine.

In many occupations, like teaching, ratings are used to determine if someone deserves to be promoted and paid a higher salary or not.

Many quality-conscious businesses even hire impartial third party evaluators to solicit systematic feedback from clients so that the feedback can be used to improve the quality of their services and in turn attract more clients.

 

[Pillowtalk]

. Having my prospective clients read my reviews thoroughly gave them a much better idea of who I was.. and THIS is what really mattered and helped my business tremendously.

That's the point. The downside of a chart rating system is that it takes no account for the reviewer, which are 50% of what makes the review/grading/rating of an sp either credible or incredible. If you try to remove the reviewer from the process, you will see skewed and unreasonable results.

Also, a non-fs sp will return a result much lower than a PSE sp, or whatever other factors are going to falsely affect socalled results.

And Fractal, fwiw, it is the advertisers here, independent sp, agencies, etc that finance this site, not the reviews and reviewers.

And finally, really and seriously, you are overthinking this. When you start trying to calculate and evaluate a personal service, you need to step back and figure out what the heck you are thinking.

I think it was pointed out to you that the proposed system is what is more likely to be abused than the current one. The current one, because each review is attached to a specific reviewer who then can be evaluated as reliable, credible and even a real reviewer, is far more likely to give a reasonable and more accurate result than a chart. Forumulaic and systematic, how is that helping?

I guess what I'm hearing right now is that it's ok to provide ratings and reviews as long as you do not do it in a systematic way. And that an open system that is already being abused is preferred to one that is formulaic/systematic but potentially more helpful.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

fractal, theoretically i agree with you, except how are you going to accomodate the cheaters in your rating scheme? do you not agree that the cheaters will skew the results so as to make them useless, or do you think they are in such a minority that they will not affect anything?

and yes pillowtalk, the ladies and the agencies pay the bills here, but:
1) there would be no capital to pay the bills without the pooners
2) there would be no audience to advertise to without the pooners

i'm sorry, but i find your opinion to be extremely condescending to the male participants here

 

[Miss*Bijou]

fractal, theoretically i agree with you, except how are you going to accomodate the cheaters in your rating scheme? do you not agree that the cheaters will skew the results so as to make them useless, or do you think they are in such a minority that they will not affect anything?

and yes pillowtalk, the ladies and the agencies pay the bills here, but:
1) there would be no capital to pay the bills without the pooners
2) there would be no audience to advertise to without the pooners

i'm sorry, but i find your opinion to be extremely condescending to the male participants here

I know where you're coming from and theoretically I agree but I'll play devil's advocate and say that there is good reason prostitution is "the oldest profession in the world" and that reason would probably be that there have always been pooners ensuring its longevity... before perb, before internet, before the phone and even before the car (before the wheel?).


But regardless of that, I also don't really see the comment as being condescending; it is factually correct and only means it would probably not be in Perb's best interest to make a major change like the one suggested, if the group that represents the website's revenue is strongly opposed to it. Just logic, not judgment IMO.


Are we feeling sensitive today? Here's a hug:

And Fractal, fwiw, it is the advertisers here, independent sp, agencies, etc that finance this site, not the reviews and reviewers.

 

[Pillowtalk]

and yes pillowtalk, the ladies and the agencies pay the bills here, but:
1) there would be no capital to pay the bills without the pooners
2) there would be no audience to advertise to without the pooners

i'm sorry, but i find your opinion to be extremely condescending to the male participants here

Really only condescending to Fractal, who was implying that someone else was footing the bill here financially. Actually viewers of the ads help pay for the site when the sps/agencys have the $$ to spend on advertising. Some of the viewers are members, some are not, and many more are neither posters nor reviewers, obviously. The ads are getting viewed regardless, considering how few of the reviews are about the advertisers lol, I don't see a real connect there.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Are we feeling sensitive today? Here's a hug:

awwww geez bijou, yer blowin' my cover, shucks...



***edit***

now i'm ALL confused! pun NOT intended...

see what a hug will do to ya?

good catch peaceguy +1

 

[Fractals]

I hope that hug was meant for everyone. I like hugs and kisses.

Vancity_cowboy, there are some issues best solved by the use of technology. For example, the concern about skewing of the results by some reviewers can be addressed by stratifying the results by a poster's credibility (which as of now seems to be established in terms of the number of posts and the duration of membership in PERB). SPURTS can use this "credibility" data to provide a way of stratifying the stats/results with the use of a button that can display ratings from:

* ALL reviewers
* reviewers with > 500 posts only
* reviewers with > 1,000 points only
* reviewers who are PERB members for > 1 year
and some combination of 4 and 3/2/1

If I am client wishing to know the ratings for an SP, I can choose to display only the results from members who are "credible" (depending on my chosen criteria for credibility).

SPURTS can also be designed to show the userIDs of clients who provided the ratings (similar to polls). That way, one can choose to believe the ratings or not.

I'm sure there are other and maybe superior ways of technically solving the problem of skewing.

Pillowtalk, any system at the design stage has to be thought out well so that the end product is useful and easy to use.

I remember the last time I visited an SP, it took me about an hour sifting through the reviews just to sense what the common ratings are for her. With SPURTS (once it reaches the stage where it is usable) anyone can get the same information quicker and then from there you can decide if you want to get a feel for the more qualitative/narrative comments.

In another thread, clients were debating who the best-looking SP in Vancouver is. There's another thread asking who is excellent at providing oral pleasure. With SPURTS you can easily get that information. Even better, you can choose to find out who the best looking SP is with the best attitude and service. If you are a client spending your hard-earned money, wouldn't you want to get that information?

As for who is directly financing PERB, there is no question about that. But I want to add that the money the PERB-funders are using come from the clients who use the review board to make an informed-decision as to who to see. So SPs, agencies and clients, all of them make PERB sustainable.

SPURTS can also be used to facilitate the giving of awards (ribbons?) for the best in the industry. If I am not mistaken, there was an award given to Harmony-BC for being the best SP for 2010. I am imagining that some sort of rating system was used to arrive at that decision.

I don't know how Harmony-BC felt about being subjected to some sort of systematic rating system. If I remember it correctly, she welcomed the award. She probably believes in what she's doing and takes pride in it.

Most of use who love our job take pride in it. We like to be told we're doing an excellent job. And if a rating system is going to be used we'd sure want the rating system to be a very systematic and well-designed one. Such rating system helps our bosses decide if we're worth keeping and perhaps promoting. We also use the ratings to track our progress over the years.

Now, why would such a rating system be not applicable to SPs work?

Again, as I have said earlier, I'm not suggesting something that is radically new here. I am just suggesting that what is currently being done be done in a systematic manner so that the ratings are standardized, easier to use and easier to interpret.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

one final doubter's concern fractals - what about the do-not-review list?

 

[Pillowtalk]

Sorry F, but at the end of the day, you seem to forget what is really important. Simply put is she the best sp for you personally to go visit. Are you going to visit a highly marked sp you are not attracted to before you visit a lower rated sp you like the looks of?

There are sites that categorize everything, and you can seach by category if you wish, but i don't see a value in trying to quantify something that is subjective, and is based more on quality not a numbers game.