Sugar Daddies

[Master69]

Came across this article in today's paper:

http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/04/17/winnipeg-is-a-good-place-to-find-a-sugar-daddy

I don't think the sugar daddy route is good VFM at all, in fact it sucks. The guys described in the article are paying over $4000/month, after taxes! That's the equivalent of pooning about 3 - 4 times a week with a variety of excellent SPs, or attending Libero Paradiso once a month. This kind of arrangement seems to be particularly popular in Vancouver. How do pooners with wives or GFs hide/explain this sizable monthly expense to their SO?

I was a sugar daddy to a U of M student for a short while. I would write large cheques for tuition, modelling classes, books, and so on, then she would ignore me for weeks! She had a model's attitude too. This is stupid, I thought. She wasn't even that good in bed. I could have been spending this money on hot experienced attentive SPs, with no sense of commitment required. I never got into the $4000/month range the article talks about but I can see how easy it would be to do that.

Any other SDs out there who want to share their experiences?

 

[mimi]

I suppose the 'sugar daddy' route is as fraught with problems as the 'pay as you go' model, in as much as one will find good situations and bad. I figure the major difference being the 'pay as you go' variety gives you a better average in finding a suitable recipient with the least occurrence of wasted cash.

I know of three women who took the sugar daddy route. They really liked their donors, and one in particular was sexually voracious and needed her 'fix' on a regular schedule or she couldn't focus on her exams. When she finally graduated and began working full time and moved out of province she was very sad to leave this 'donor' behind, for the easy sexual rapport they developed was difficult to replace.

I suppose one has to move into this cautiously and not 'gift' too extravagantly at first

 

[VanessaofBC]

I don't think the sugar daddy route is good VFM at all, in fact it sucks.

I'd be interested in hearing what men have to say on this topic. Would A SD expect the purchase of an extravagant gift to change or alter the financial obligations required?

 

[Master69]

I posted a thread on a similar topic recently, about Whistler being the place where SB`s go to find SD`s.

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...y-quot-ski-resort-in-North-America&highlight=

Interesting post, Ms. Sarah. But ski season is over. What about Queenstown in NZ? Maybe it`s time to head down-under with the boards, become a part-time ski bum, get my instructor`s certificate, and see if any hot young Kiwi co-eds need help with their tuition.:eyebrows:

 

[sevenofnine]

I kind of think this would be the preferred method of pooning depending on your finicial situation.

It can't be your best bang for your buck.
I think it would be a win win for both parties.

One big drawback, besides the money end of it.
It would tend to look and feel and be a relationship.
A lot of people tend to suck at relationships that is why we are where we are.

 

[BallzDeep]

personally i see sps because im totally into variety. i repeat only when i feel theres a connection and the sex is amazing. i think once you cross a certain monetary threshold its actually cheaper/easier to date a bunch of girls or girl and go the civvy route. im not just talking about the financial situation but also the emotional one, if you see one girl long enough there becomes a bond that cant easily be replaced, it almost becomes dating.

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

Well I was in this type of relations for more than 6 years. All told it probably cost me 15-20K but it was worth every penny. I must have seen this women at good 75-80 times. There really is no rules about how much you have to pay, as long as both parties are happy with the amount and the relationship. I could write a hell of an interesting book what took place during this time, from her being engaged and pregnant for a while, to my wife reading our e-mails, and us still deciding to see each other after about a six month cooling off period.

And as some have said, it's far more than just a business transaction, it's an intimate relationship.

 

[Master69]

personally i see sps because im totally into variety. i repeat only when i feel theres a connection and the sex is amazing. i think once you cross a certain monetary threshold its actually cheaper/easier to date a bunch of girls or girl and go the civvy route. im not just talking about the financial situation but also the emotional one, if you see one girl long enough there becomes a bond that cant easily be replaced, it almost becomes dating.

As a wise man once said to young M69: "My boy, if it flies floats or fucks, rent it, don't buy it. And don't ever even sign a lease for it!"

Geez, I wish I had listened to Don Cherry back then.

 

[BallzDeep]

if $4000/mo is the average, thats 3 $300/hr sessions a week, with $400 leftover. id rather have nsa sex with whomever catches my eye versus devoting that to one girl, dating surely has to be a cheaper and more rewarding alternative. when the business relationship ends, its a lot of money spent and nothing to show for it when you really think about it. sort of like car insurance lol

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

I would suggest that this website doesn't represent the SD-SB anymore than this one represents all paid sex relationships. I'd say they've probably captured about 25% or less of the relationships that actually take place, and since they focus on the higher end of thing the results are skewed, and does anyone in their right mind think a married man entering to such an arrangement is going to go though a website?

I'm surprised they have any married men using their site at all.

 

[wilde]

A lot of good hardworking people don't clear $4,000 after tax, just sayin. On the other hand, if you are filthy rich, $4 grand is chump change.

 

[newatit]

I found out about the one site Cute Angie mentioned, and got involved. Have not really made up a deal with any gal yet, but have had some interesting experiences. I contacted one gal who invited me over for just a talk. Like, lets meet, talk, see f we like each other and carry on from there. So we agreed, and the amount was no big deal, $2000 a month, for unlimited access when it was mutually workable. Then it hit me, send me the $2000 now and we will get started, oh yea!! So cancelled that one. But the gal was really quite desperate and kept bugging me, even threatened to come over to my place and give me a good time. So rid of her. Got onto some other gals, one who needed quite extensive dentistry, and wanted to exchange goods and services. totally unrealistic expectations for that dollar wise, way over evaluated her looks and skills, in fact not sure she wasn't more than just off the mark from losing her virginity.

Got approached by a couple of gals 18, told them they were too young and scared them out of the thing. They dropped it. Felt like I did them a favour.

then hit a couple of good gals, two who travelled with me on separate trips, but one is just a money hog and the other drinks way too much. One expected unending presents, little ones, but hey we made a deal here is your money so stick to that.

I have sugar babe already from a preexisting relationship but with a specific purpose and time line. It has been a tough go to co-ordinate our schedules and targets but i think in the long term it will work out.
The gals who go for these relationships are usually a totally different type. They do not consider themselves call girls at all, they have a one man deal, most often, and usually have some issues, but in general, I can't say it is a better deal than just making a date whenever. There are advantages, more emotion maybe, and certainly better service if you get with the right gals. time is usually not an issue, and money can be anywhere from $1500 a month to whatever. Thing is you have to talk it out. Like if you are expectig say 20 hours a month, and take vacation, do you catch up the next month, or do you stop paying for that month. And it is an issue if she has a meeting place or not, and exactly what services are rendered.

In each case I have asked for a pre meeting, like a lunch, etc, and never been refused. At that meeting we had a frank talk about the details of each service, who liked what and could judge the reactions to each question through body language. It saved a lot of hassle and one of two gals and I agreed we had a good meeting and lets not proceed. One other one who was quite at ease with all my questions exceeded expectations but had a very busy schedule. We are trying to get together again though. We do like our sessions.

Well there you have it, I like the system but it is not spontaneous usually. No one seems to want to jump into bed immediately, but rather ferret out a good deal first. and usually a fair deal.

 

[Guardian Angel]

A sugar daddy could be looking for a bit of a connection without a serious long term commitment. The comfort knowing there is someone you can rely on for companionship, sex and know at the same time it will come to an end when one or the other sees its time to move on.

If you are a sinlge male with no other commitments or a decent salary, this type of set up could be the perfect picture. Varierty spead over months yet still variety as you go from one situation to the next.

This has worked for me and I have always been quite comfortable. Oh and I can add, I am older and have had SD relationships with ladies aged 19 - 50 offering a whole range of ethnic and variable experiences as it related to the ages of each lady. Every one has been a memorable experience.

G.A.

 

[newatit]

well in the few relationships I have developed with this concept, the amount has been half that $4000 and the fun twice as much. If it gets to be more than I pay, then I look at it as a more professional relationship rather than an SD relationship with an agreeable mate. Like a gal going to college, or needing make up money for some endeavour does not need $4000a month if she is working or has other income. But she can be willing to see you once or week or more in some cases to get that extra help. And it can depend upon the session length too if you get around to agreeing to that. an approach to this concept is to join the group, pay the fee to be a member so you to read your replies to your ad, and then make contact. The facility offers an email chat arrangement which keeps you anonymous till you want to move to a different mail approach. Like giving out your own email to a prospect. Then I make a date to meet in Starbucks, we talk seriously about what each one wants to cover all the bases, then have an initial meeting. That meeting is the often the determining factor for firming up the arrangement. For example, if during the interview, we agree on dfk, but I find the dfk is light, poor, really not what I wanted, then I have to consider the other performance factors and if they are of the same quality, I would thank her for the meeting and move on. And of course, a payment is due for this meeting suitable for the time spent. but some pleasant surprises have really developed, where I saw that sparkle in the gal's eye when DATY was mentioned or DFK and we met, the result was superb, and we have formulated a relationship that worked great for a specific period that was needed. Never have agreed to pay $4000, that is ridiculous unless maybe you are dealing with a real SP who is using the service to get work and maybe satisfy her own desires outside the normal business arrangement.

Frankly a lot of gals in the local area ask for $1000 to $2000 per month, just want it for short time, and even at that, four visits a month is pretty much on par for going to a local AMP except that it is much safer and usually longer sessions and more satisfying. It has to work out to be better than just dropping into an amp or I wouldn't do it. I mean look at the facts. You can see any good SP for probably less than $200 to $300 per visit, so why would you pay some inexperienced or non professional gal more. There is no reason, unless you are getting far more for it. So $300 per visit to an SP equates to $1200 per month at the frequency of once per week. That also might only mean four hours of fun. So does the sugar gal provide more and it is more acceptable? If not, why do it? The other issue, many of the arrangement gals are not SP types, some of them are horrified that anyone would think of them or treat them in such a way, and just want one partner who provides the shortfall they need but are quite accommodating to get that arrangement. It is a business deal like any other, and it should not be glamorized as being more, and as the originator of this thread pointed out there may not be value for money if you get sucked into a big payment for little contact.

In conclusion on this note, want to add that this concept has actually resulted in me having way too many gals to deal with. Prices are good, services are good, sex is great now, and I intend to keep going at it. Still drop in to see an old buddy or two in an amp, but that is fine, don't really need to. Can't handle what this development has spun off. Just remember to do your business math.

 

[Master69]

A lot of wisdom on this thread. Well-done, ladies and gents. We could pool our knowledge and compose a "how-to" manual on it. Although it may have been done already:

http://theescortlover.wordpress.com/2011/05/28/the-beginners-guide-to-being-a-sugar-daddy/

VFM. Well, there is a fiscal side to every heterosexual relationship; both parties have needs and wants, look to the other to fill that need, and money, or things bought with money, is the usual medium of exchange, although usually not overtly spoken of as such. I find what everyone here is saying about the mindsets, financial issues and micro-cultures of each approach, whether it be marriage, BF/GF, SPs (OK Peyton, "companions" ), FWB, SBs, or a mistress, very informative.

I think I have discovered a SD arrangement isn't for me, at least right now. I've made my beginner's mistakes. Some things I have learned from experience:

If she lives with relatives, pass on her

If she has unrealistic expensive ambitions, pass on her.

If she has certain bad and often expensive habits you don't have, pass on her.

If she has trouble getting travel visas, pass on her

Decide exactly what you want and expect, before starting out.

Have the initial interview. In fact, meet with her a few times to build rapport and see if the two of you click. If she insists on money before you are certain you can click, move on

Write out what each party expects, re-work this "memorandum of understanding" until everyone is happy, then file it away

Tell her you need to know what she is like in bed, have your first sexual encounter with her, and if she's a dud, move on. If she refuses this test drive, move on.

How things are handled initially sets the tone for the whole relationship.

 

[kauffman]

I kind of think this would be the preferred method of pooning depending on your finicial situation.

It can't be your best bang for your buck.
I think it would be a win win for both parties.

One big drawback, besides the money end of it.
It would tend to look and feel and be a relationship.
A lot of people tend to suck at relationships that is why we are where we are.

the part of these relationships often overlooked is that the one with the money has the power and likely serious need hed rather buy than put the effort into acheiving. This is no big deal but its funny that somehow the female is always looked at with disdain as though shes used the guy. He wants to buy a fantasy and shes to provide it but whats the liklihood it would survive without the cash. The reason the initial pay off is so lagre is it has to be enough to get the girl to agree to what he wants. Thats why the guys put it out there. WHy should they resent having to sustain such a high fee? Likely it never would have happened otherwise

 

[kauffman]

if $4000/mo is the average, thats 3 $300/hr sessions a week, with $400 leftover. id rather have nsa sex with whomever catches my eye versus devoting that to one girl, dating surely has to be a cheaper and more rewarding alternative. when the business relationship ends, its a lot of money spent and nothing to show for it when you really think about it. sort of like car insurance lol

sounds like typical post arrangement bitterness. If it wasnt worth it it wouldnt happen. Theres a reason it continues its just likely not one that the guy wants to admit to

 

[Master69]

the part of these relationships often overlooked is that the one with the money has the power and likely serious need hed rather buy than put the effort into acheiving. This is no big deal but its funny that somehow the female is always looked at with disdain as though shes used the guy. He wants to buy a fantasy and shes to provide it but whats the liklihood it would survive without the cash. The reason the initial pay off is so lagre is it has to be enough to get the girl to agree to what he wants. Thats why the guys put it out there. WHy should they resent having to sustain such a high fee? Likely it never would have happened otherwise

It sounds like you are describing the unspoken contract of most marriages.

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

4k a month is silly unless it is like 5-6 meetings a month and overnight visits.
Also it always depends on what you make. I spend easily 2k a month on average seeing different girls, however to donate all that money to one girl? I tend to get bored sexually of any one girl after a while.

Again there are guys willing to spend 1200 for 2 hours with a sp(what's her name, looks black or mixed race has huge boobs). Where as most Edmonton guys spend 300 an hour.

 

[Master69]

Good informative post, haymitch. It sounds like a SD-SB arrangement to me in all but formality. Once you are covering her regular expenses, it's on. Points out the need to formally establish the ground rules early on, and be clear in one's own mind that "I am about to become a sugar daddy". You then take out a Cuban cigar and smoke it.

When they see the monthly payment as an entitlement and don't pull their weight, it's over, kinda' like the way a husband feels in many a deteriorating marriage. He's being fucked-over rather than being fucked. I know VFM is seen as distasteful in any relationship, but it's at least in the back of every man's mind, and she wants discussions of VFM buried because these will lead to her being held to account. At least there is no brutal battle in family law court, a SD can just walk away.

Something I haven't heard anyone talk about is: Attending social functions together. Is it an implicit rule that this is off-limits?