Street Racing

[LonelyGhost]

Another tragedy occurs and the police response is that it is difficult to determine and prove that street racing occurred:

Note to Rich Coleman (you dumbass), here's an easy law to implement:

"Anyone exceeding the posted speed limit is deemed to be racing."



Okay, you may say that 'no, that's only speeding' but if you change the law, it can read instead that you are actually racing.

But, you say, who are you racing against? The people doing the speed limit!

If the police can give you higher fines for higher speeds, then why can't they impound your car or toss your ass in jail for excessive speed or especially if you cause damages or deaths?

Why do they have to go through a long and exhaustive investigation that will just result in a slap on the wrist for these fuckers?

and the two ass-wipes that are fighting their deportation order for their street racing charges should be strapped to the hood of my car and sped to the nearest airport!

 

[LonelyGhost]

I'll one up you.....give me those two fuckers for 6 hours and I'd be MORE than happy to beat the correct version of our legal system into them


HFS

I thought you would put them to work cleaning up after your little buddy ... with their teeth!

 

[BushPilot]

I take it from your post, LonelyGhost, that you've never exceeded the speed limit in your life. If the law was changed, as per your suggestion, we'd all be in the clink sooner rather than later. Perhaps you are right in suggesting that there needs to be a change in the street racing law, but I think you're getting a bit carried away.

 

[vancouverman]

ohhhhhh, one of my favorite subjects .....

Like with the gun control... it is not the gun/car/speed that kills ... it is the stupid person using it, that does it.
If you think otherwise, spend some time in any Italian large city.
Wonder why so many Italians, are race drivers?
Wonder why Italy is a leader in manufacturing sport ( read very fast ) cars?
I spend almost 2 years in Rome.
I drove on German autobahns.
50% of car drivers in Vancouver, would either had a hard attack, become transit users, or end up in mental home.
All traffic moves much faster (220 is not unusual cursing speed on highways), cars do travel much closer to each other. Roads quality .... that is another story.
Somebody will of course point out the big accidents on highways. Yes... when you hit something, driving over 200, your family will save on coffin, as they will be scrapping driver from whatever he hit. So you don’t drive as fast, or you are really careful while you drive. But.... I see more accidents, and stupidity here, than in ANY of the European countries ( I drove in all, except three )

Start from the bottom. The process of issuing or revoking drivers license is a joke.
I drive a lot in Vancouver, and had couple of heated discussions with local cops. I witnessed an obvious breaking of the rules, and the cops next to it did not react. Speed is one of the things. I know, I speed a lot. I know, I drive ( in opinion of a lot of people ) very dangerously. But.... what is more dangerous... speed with a safe margin, or running red light?

This city will be totally blocked by the traffic in a few years. On one hand we put more cars on the road, on the other we put more lights on the intersections. Lights that each one works on its own timing.
I heard one idiot who said... it is done on purpose. WHAT????? and you are working as an advisor for a ministry????? Did you EVER read any of the studies on the communication, and traffic flow? Did you EVER read studies, that if on a straight road, a car driver hits red light 3 times in a row, he will jump the fourth intersection on the orange, and 5 and 6th even on an early red.

So, as long as the legal system in Canada is as it is ( hifi, I will gladly assist you ), and you can buy a driving license and never be retested again. As long as idiots design roads and say that 2 line hiway is all we need. As long as city engineers think that putting extra lights on the intersections is a solution. And as long as there are no easily accessible racing tracks for people to try their cars. As long as we don’t do more than just read about it on the first pages of a newspapers, things like that will happen, and people will loose lives.

ps. LG, thx for the thread ... now I do not need morning coffee

ps.2 I heard that there is a discussion of levering speed limit in BC ….. yeh.. this will help.
Did they ever heard words EDUCATE and TRAIN?
Don’t try to police EVERYTHING, as you won’t be able to be everywhere.

I hope soon... we will fly to work

 

[eljudo]

i say anyone caught doing "Excessive " speed should be send to iraq as a freedom figher! since they love the speed, the high, the adrenaline rush of speed racing, they surely will love racing their under armored humvees while a caravan of un decomocratic, un patriotic, not so much freedom lovers in hot on their ass waiting to blow them up to kingdom cometh!

 

[vancouverman]

freedom fighter???? on which side???
both sides claim, they are

 

[LonelyGhost]

I take it from your post, LonelyGhost, that you've never exceeded the speed limit in your life. If the law was changed, as per your suggestion, we'd all be in the clink sooner rather than later. Perhaps you are right in suggesting that there needs to be a change in the street racing law, but I think you're getting a bit carried away.

nope, I speed all the time and have the points to prove it! ... my point was regarding the stupid LAW that deems that police have to go through a stupid long and involved process to 'prove' street racing occured when a simple change would allow police to use some discretion in assigning charges.

 

[LonelyGhost]

Vanman,

i have lost two family members on the Autobahn ... not all drivers over there are good drivers either.

but your point about educate and train is at the top of my list too ... everyone should have to take driving lessons and they should have to pass a standardized test as well.

i recently had some stupid woman pull out in front of me, the guy in the lane next to me, the guy in the on-coming lane AND the cop car in the other on-coming lane (not to mention this ** edited by WestCoastMod, racist comments are not permitted on this board. You've been warned. ** crossed a double yellow line to make the illegal left turn with no signals and not bothering to wait for a break in traffic) and the cops did nothing! NOTHING!

I would have had the baton, stun gun, mace, pepper spray, called in the canine squad and the Hell's Angels riding past and written this dumb female a fucking ticket!!!!

argh.

 

[poonpro]

hey speedy

Guess what folks
Speed does not kill.
INCOMPETANCE DOES!!!!!

 

[HankQuinlan]

My observation on the highways is that there are a lot of ignorant f-ckers that widely overestimate their own competence. All of the worst drivers tend to think they are good drivers. When they kill someone on the roads, they will still think it was the other person's fault.

 

[LonelyGhost]

Keep racist comments to yourselves. They are not welcome on this board. - WestCoastMod.

what did I say that was racist?


oops ... never mind ... I meant to say 'chick' and I might have hit the other key ... very, very, very sorry if that was what it was ...

very sorry -- that wasn't something I would call someone.

yikes.

 

[PinkLady]

Street racing bad. Deport these guys, don't let them make a mockery of the
Immigration System. Too many cops trying to bust escorts and not
enough devoted to the serious crimes. Police are stretched too thin.

 

[BushPilot]

ohhhhhh, one of my favorite subjects .....

Like with the gun control... it is not the gun/car/speed that kills ... it is the stupid person using it, that does it.
If you think otherwise, spend some time in any Italian large city.
Wonder why so many Italians, are race drivers?
Wonder why Italy is a leader in manufacturing sport ( read very fast ) cars?
I spend almost 2 years in Rome.
I drove on German autobahns.
50% of car drivers in Vancouver, would either had a hard attack, become transit users, or end up in mental home.
All traffic moves much faster (220 is not unusual cursing speed on highways), cars do travel much closer to each other. Roads quality .... that is another story.
Somebody will of course point out the big accidents on highways. Yes... when you hit something, driving over 200, your family will save on coffin, as they will be scrapping driver from whatever he hit. So you don’t drive as fast, or you are really careful while you drive. But.... I see more accidents, and stupidity here, than in ANY of the European countries (I drove in all except three).

This city will be totally blocked by the traffic in a few years. On one hand we put more cars on the road, on the other we put more lights on the intersections. Lights that each one works on its own timing.
I heard one idiot who said... it is done on purpose. WHAT????? and you are working as an advisor for a ministry????? Did you EVER read any of the studies on the communication, and traffic flow? Did you EVER read studies, that if on a straight road, a car driver hits red light 3 times in a row, he will jump the fourth intersection on the orange, and 5 and 6th even on an early red.

So, as long as the legal system in Canada is as it is ( hifi, I will gladly assist you ), and you can buy a driving license and never be retested again. As long as idiots design roads and say that 2 line hiway is all we need. As long as city engineers think that putting extra lights on the intersections is a solution. And as long as there are no easily accessible racing tracks for people to try their cars. As long as we don’t do more than just read about it on the first pages of a newspapers, things like that will happen, and people will loose lives.

I, too, have driven in many countries in Europe, as well as in a few countries in Asia. The roads there are no safer than they are here. In fact, I'd say they are less safe. When there is an accident on a highway here, often people die. When there is an accident on a highway in Germany or Italy, almost always people die.
As for traffic lights at intersections in the city, the idea is for people to stop at them. If they can't control their emotions enough to stop at ALL red lights, not just the first three that they get to, then they are the problem and should be removed from the road due to a lack of mental capacity for driving.
Yes, our driver licensing procedures are a bit lax, but they have been gradually been toughened over the past few years to improve the situation. The real problem there is not with a government or its agencies that are unwilling to act to tighten the rules, it's with the public who won't stand for a system where they have to pay somewhere between two and three thousand dollars to take a standard government training course before they can take a road test. Then, if you fail, you pay another three grand to take the course again. That's the way it is in Germany and many other countries. It will never be like that here because we want to be able to give the keys to our sixteen year-old kid so he can drive himself to hockey practice so we can stay home warm in our bed.
So, you think that we need to increase capacity on our roads so we can accomodate more cars on the road? Have you ever been to Los Angeles? What we need is to make it difficult for people to drive in the city in the daytime during the week. We do that by both making driving more expensive (through prohibitive parking taxes, or tolls into the city), and making public transit more efficient and more accessible. Then we'd have less cars on the road and less pollution and safer streets.
Now this discussion on urban planning is quite irrelevant to this discussion about street racing, though. Traffic patterns and highway capacity don't play a part in street racing so much, since most of these incidents occur in the evening when there are less people on the roads.
So, am I to understand that if there were race tracks that anybody could drive on, that there'd be no street racing? You may be right. Why don't you get some money together and open one. You might make a million dollars. It's not the government's responsibility to give immature drivers a place to get their jollies and show how big their penis is by driving faster than some other guy in a car that their daddy probably bought for them.
Now, I'm not saying that the current system is perfect, but I also don't believe that situation is as dire as many would have us believe. There seems to be too many people who blame the government for any problems in our society. Truth is that the problem isn't always with government but most often with us, ourselves.
Now, Vancouverman, I'd be interested to see some reference to your claim that you can 'buy' a driver's license in this city.

 

[vancouverman]

When there is an accident on a highway in Germany or Italy, almost always people die.

like with the airplane accidents, they are spectacular, and end up on the first pages of papers and in the news, but per capita there are less accidents.

As for traffic lights at intersections in the city, the idea is for people to stop at them.

you are serious, aren't you?

What we need is to make it difficult for people to drive in the city in the daytime during the week.

tell this to people who drive 150-200KM a day between clients.

Why don't you get some money together and open one. You might make a million dollars.

not my line of business. sorry.

Now, Vancouverman, I'd be interested to see some reference to your claim that you can 'buy' a driver's license in this city.

couple of years ago. front page news. in certain part of Vancouver ( don't want to be called a rasist, so it is all I say )
As for today.... if you want to buy one, you will have to find it on your own. I really don't know the address.

 

[Maury Beniowski]

I've got a "sexist" solution to our traffic congestion problems...

I've often thought that one way to cut down on road congestion and bad drivers would be to ban female drivers from our roads, forcing them to commute with male drivers. After all, who hasn't been cut off by a lady driven Ford Explorer with cell phone in hand, and morning coffee and lipsticks all playing havoc with her concentration, let alone the car she tried to avoid hitting.

Over time, I continued to observe an evolution of sorts on our roads. Many men have now switched to Ford Expeditions or Lincoln Navigators, perhaps to see beyond those very same Explorers in front of them. And Lo and Behold, they are also armed with cell phones, coffee mugs and a laptop or Palm Pilot to boot, all again playing havoc with their concentration.

So I conclude by extending the gender based driver days by alternating the days, odd days for men, and even days for women. This would do wonders to eradicate the chronic malaise our cities suffer today, and would reduce road maintenance, and the need for excessive traffic control devices, while at the same time lower accident rates and road rage, which we've become too accustomed to.

 

[stryker]

After all, who hasn't been cut off by a lady driven Ford Explorer with cell phone in hand, and morning coffee and lipsticks all playing havoc with her concentration, let alone the car she tried to avoid hitting.


Maury,I here ya,,,,sounds like you were describing my EX to a tee

 

[browneyedgirl]

Actually Maurey B,

That Lady is in the Ford Explorer is in a huge hurry.......

She is trying to get to work to support her children, the ones she is raising by herself. Because her ex husband who is off racing in the other direction in his Porche Boxster convertable trying to make the pharmacy to buy his rogaine and little blue pills before it closes.He had a mid life crisis and didnt want to be burdened by a wife a kids. He plans to get there in time no matter what or how many school zones he races through, he will save time by shaving while he drives and calling his broker for a stock tip as well. If he makes good time he will have time to stop at his fav rub and tug and get his ego boosted and unload some stress. But the five apple martinis he had over lunch have made his "expert driving abilities" a little wobbly'


Botton line....all races all genders need to get their head out of their *%@# and pay attention to the bloody road.