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Street-based sex workers are the victims when clients are criminalized

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http://www.straight.com/news/715736...ers-are-victims-when-clients-are-criminalized

A series of arrests last month in Calgary highlights the far-reaching harms that federal sex-work legislation is causing for street-based sex workers.

In May, police in Calgary announced 27 arrests during a sting operation targeting sex workers and their clients. This follows raids last October that netted 33 clients of sex workers.

When the Protection of Communities and Exploited Persons Act became law in 2014, purchasing sexual services became a crime for the first time in Canada. Advocates for this, the “Nordic model”, believe it is the way to keep sex workers safe from violence and exploitation.

Calgary police say their latest investigation was initiated in response to complaints by residents in two neighbourhoods about the presence of street-based sex workers. Police responded by apprehending and laying charges against the clients of those sex workers. Interestingly, not all of the charges were for communicating to purchase sexual services. A significant number were for traffic violations or unrelated Criminal Code offences.

These operations are similar to one carried out last year in Cape Breton, also yielding 27 arrests. The difference is that in Nova Scotia the names of the accused—most of whom were more than 60 years old—were all published, reportedly resulting in their alienation from their families and ostracism by their communities.

In the eyes of anti-sex work activists, “shaming the Johns” is a legitimate way to reduce the overall amount of street prostitution (estimated to comprise not more than 15 percent of all sexual services offered in Canada).

The primary harm from targeting clients is not the embarrassment and reputational damage that comes from “John shaming”. It is the impact on sex workers themselves. Many of those engaged in street-based sex work are entrenched in poverty and dependent on this source of income. Making what they do illegal only forces them to do it in riskier circumstances.

One immediate consequence of arrests is that street-based sex workers face longer hours, thanks to a temporary decline in clients. A second is that under these circumstances, sex workers may be more willing to take clients they would otherwise screen out, particularly when they are under greater pressure to avoid police detection.

Calgary police justified their approach by saying their goal is to connect with sex workers to “build a positive relationship and provide any resources they may need to assist them in leaving the sex trade”. Police have also done this by posing as clients and luring sex workers to hotel rooms, only to assure them they are safe. Apparently, to police in Calgary at least, this is how trust is forged.

That is not the model police follow in Vancouver. Anti-sex-work activists are unhappy with the Vancouver Police Department’s policy, which explicitly says that sex between consenting adults is not an enforcement priority. The Vancouver Police Department’s sex work enforcement guidelines, developed with sex worker advocacy and support groups and adopted in 2013, give sex workers the assurance that police will only intervene in situations where there are reports of violence, exploitation, or involvement of youth or gangs.


Last year, the Vancouver Police Department released a video explaining its sex-work enforcement guidelines.

https://youtu.be/-gKafib7TN4

It’s an approach borne out of tragedy. From the early 1990s to 2002, more than 70 women disappeared from Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside, most of them sex workers and all of them poor. Criminalization only served to push these women away from police and from the rest of society; it never made them safer.

It’s time to stop pretending that there is a real difference between banning providing sexual services and banning paying for them. As long as the act of engaging in sex for money is illegal, sex workers will not see the police as allies in the moments that they really need them.

Brenda Belak is a lawyer and sex workers’ rights campaigner at Pivot Legal Society, a Vancouver-based human rights organization that uses the law to address the root causes of poverty and social exclusion. The fourth annual Red Umbrella March for Sex Work Solidarity is on Saturday (June 11) beginning at 2:30 p.m. at the Vancouver Art Gallery.
 

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i thought this was awesome and is a reaction to "shame the john" re-emergence... i hope this gives people confidence in our safety here in vancouver...

i hope all are well!!

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Caramel

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Its such a terrible reason for backing this law - "Many of those engaged in street-based sex work are entrenched in poverty and dependent on this source of income." That they have no other choice so they basically need these clients to survive, whether they willingly want to do this work, or not. At least that's what it sounds like to me...However, its so true. And I totally agree with it. Who else is going to help these women? Lots of people can say, "oh, they are living in Canada, can't they get a job, or go to school?" But really, sometimes they have children, maybe they don't make enough money to cover tuition, maybe they can't get a job, maybe they do have a job but it barely covers anything. And don't get me started on social assistance, that might cover 1/2 rent in other parts of Canada, barely a 1/4 over here though. Of course, can't forget the ones who are mentally ill, and addicted to drugs - can't expect those ones to go get jobs, mental health is a joke in this country. There is a food bank though, but everything else is so damn expensive.
 

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yes, and of course pivot represent SWUAV who are an all street based sex worker group.

it is harsh that this conversation is always around street level work. it contributes to the idea that all sex workers have the street level experience.

it is good though that the conversation is still going and if you watch the police chief video, he explicitly states what i have been saying, they are not enforcing against adult consensual workers and clients.

love susie
 

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Yeah the cops rent hotel rooms and bring them over to check on their welfare, while their potential customers are subjected to media humiliation and potential charges but the victims are the prostitutes. I hate those hypocritical feminist media.
 

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Every separate thing you wrote can be construed as true. I just don't know what the overall meaning / intent of it is.

Yes, in some jurisdictions it is true that police rent rooms and lure SPs to them, purportedly to check on their welfare. Since the SP's are not breaking the law, they would be hard pressed to find an excuse to intrude in their lives more.

Yes, the police in some jurisdictions do subject the clients to charges and public humiliation. Since the clients are breaking the law it is not unreasonable for the police to enforce it and publicize the fact that they are. The do the same for murderers, & many other criminal suspects that they arrest.

And yes, if there are victims in this, the SP's are the victim. Of course, it is up for debate whether it is actually the police's actions in some jurisdictions that are victimizing them...

I don't quite follow your last sentence though. While it clearly is a statement of your personal feelings, I cannot find a linkage with the earlier parts of your post.
I think he is trying to say that the john's are bigger victims than the prostitutes because they are subjected to harassment and public humiliation charges etc.
 

susi

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well, i would agree that the public humiliation, loss of families, loss of jobs....is terrible....the clients do face worse stigma than the workers.....

but workers are the ones who pay the ultimate price, in particular when forced onto the street due to enforcement and the resulting lack of indoor work spaces....canada's most prolific serial killer did not kill clients....he killed workers...and is one of 3 serial rapists/ murders i have known of during my career....

so while i understand clients are facing deeper stigma....clients don't die as a result of all this....

incidentally, brenda is an ally, she is against criminalizing the clients and is some one I trust. PIVOT are on the side of clients too...
 

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"Many of those engaged in street-based sex work are entrenched in poverty and dependent on this source of income."

Perhaps the primary reason most of them are dependent on sex work for income is they are dependent on illicit drugs,
especially crack or heroin. Historicly this certainly seems to have been the case in the DTES of Vancouver where
serial killer Pickton operated.

There is an opinion that the present law has led to fewer customers for street based sex workers & that those they
have now prefer to meet them in less safe locations further from the eye of the law. OTOH the lack of safety and
customers may motivate or force some to seek to exit the trade for a less dangerous life.

Reports re recent years in the DTES, even years before the new law came into effect, indicated it had become
generally more of a risk to seek pay for play there. Even before then IME there were many cases of theft and attempts
thereof, but the more serious issues (mugging, etc) came not from the female sex workers, but the males (drug dealers,
boyfriends/pimps, etc) in the neighborhood. Obviously this worsening of DTES conditions could be a factor leading to a
loss of clientele & safety for sex workers there.

Another issue in the area is the increase in rents for low cost housing forcing people to become homeless:

http://www.vancouversun.com/life/in...ncouver+downtown+eastside/11799989/story.html

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/...ncouver+downtown+eastside/11632586/story.html


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Prostitution’s consent myth: The case for arresting Vancouver’s Johns and pimps

I understand that some of the rationale for not arresting johns is that sex work can be consensual; so if paid sex is consensual then what’s the money for?
The money is used to coerce consent, and under Canadian law consent must be given freely. The money shows there is no consent.

That’s according to Vancouver-based feminist Jindi Mehat who was speaking to a Vancouver Police Board meeting earlier this year.

http://www.cknw.com/2016/06/14/draft-the-prostitution-trade-in-vancouver/

Scroll down to: Vancouver's prostitution trade, part 1 to listen to the audio.
 

Lo-ki

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"That’s according to Vancouver-based feminist Jindi Mehat who was speaking to a Vancouver Police Board meeting earlier this year."

Jindi Mehat.....
Go back under your ROCK and stay there....
 

Lo-ki

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Check your closet..:)
"That’s according to Vancouver-based feminist Jindi Mehat who was speaking to a Vancouver Police Board meeting earlier this year."

Jindi Mehat.....
Go back under your ROCK and stay there....
 
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