Street arrests

[Joey_D]

https://globalnews.ca/news/10802227/winnipeg-police-exploitation-offender-sweep/

"In response to several reports of youth being propositioned in local neighbourhoods"

People are trying to pick up females + males under 18 years of age (aka youth)?
They deserve to be arrested and have their vehicles taken away. Hope their wives and/or families now know that their "man" was looking for a youth.
Creeps.

 

[westwoody]

Same group have tried picking up young women in Polo Park mall.
Sad fact but pimps do exist and are active in Winnipeg.

 

[Rex456]

Same group have tried picking up young women in Polo Park mall.
Sad fact but pimps do exist and are active in Winnipeg.

The press release reads like it was just another sting targeting guys looking for street walkers. Is there more to the story?

 

[westwoody]

They’re probably not releasing anything that might interfere with ongoing investigations.

 

[OralFix]

The press release reads like it was just another sting targeting guys looking for street walkers. Is there more to the story?

That is likely pretty much it. Obviously, fuck anyone who solicits services from minors or anything similar, and fuck all of the exploitation that is a horrendous reality of the broader world of sex work (at least as it stands). But, the article is pretty disingenuous.

Remember that "obtaining sexual services for consideration" is precisely what we all do, and remember that the overarching goal in these operations is not to prevent exploitation (of youth or adults) but to prevent sex work altogether.

 

[rubylabellexo]

That is likely pretty much it. Obviously, fuck anyone who solicits services from minors or anything similar, and fuck all of the exploitation that is a horrendous reality of the broader world of sex work (at least as it stands). But, the article is pretty disingenuous.

Remember that "obtaining sexual services for consideration" is precisely what we all do, and remember that the overarching goal in these operations is not to prevent exploitation (of youth or adults) but to prevent sex work altogether.

Exactly this. The fact that a minority of people in the industry are minors or doing it against their will is an easy in for people like Cindy Roberts to push their shitty agenda. Focus on offering genuine help for people who don't want to be in the industry and leave the rest of us alone. Stop criminalizing our clients.

'"The thing is anybody that gets into the sex industry, the intention is they don’t get out,” Peters said “We see only one to five per cent get out. The rest are drug addicted, mentally ill, commit suicide, or get murdered.'
Bald-faced lies that do real harm to consensual workers and the people that book them.

 

[Rex456]

There's an uptick of traffickers approaching minors. What do they do? I know, let's get Cagney and Lacey to put on their ruby red lipstick, short pleather skirts and fishnets and roundup some more meatheads for John School!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing you can do is slide that age filter in LL up to 26. A few things about this:

1. It is extremely rare for a lady under 25 to be independent
2. No way are they traveling across country without a pimp keeping them on a short leash.
3. You're weeding out most of the scams running on LL, which are typically in this 25 and under bracket.

 

[Horse1957]

Exactly this. The fact that a minority of people in the industry are minors or doing it against their will is an easy in for people like Cindy Roberts to push their shitty agenda. Focus on offering genuine help for people who don't want to be in the industry and leave the rest of us alone. Stop criminalizing our clients

'"The thing is anybody that gets into the sex industry, the intention is they don’t get out,” Peters said “We see only one to five per cent get out. The rest are drug addicted, mentally ill, commit suicide, or get murdered.'
Bald-faced lies that do real harm to consensual workers and the people that book them.

Well said..

One of the big issues in the US election is the rights of women to dictate what they choose to do with their bodies...not leave it up to a bunch of "old guys" in suits or the church to control that...

How is this any different??

Let women do what they want/need to "exist" in this world...for those that have willingly chosen this occupation to support themselves and improve their quality of life from their earnings and are doing it of their own free will should not be labelled as lesser human beings... or be persecuted for it

Instead these "holier than thou" advocates/politicians should concentrate on the seedy underbelly of this industry and those that exploit individuals for THEIR personal gain...

In my opinion If you want to rid the industry of vermin...license/tax the entire thing....supply health support and security for all those that want it...provide concrete alternatives (addiction treatment / education) for those young girls/women who are getting into an industry they probably want no part of but often have no other alternative in order to survive.

 

[rubylabellexo]

In my opinion If you want to rid the industry of vermin...license/tax the entire thing....supply health support and security for all those that want it...provide concrete alternatives (addiction treatment / education) for those young girls/women who are getting into an industry they probably want no part of but often have no other alternative in order to survive.

I agree with the majority of this! However, decriminalization is favoured over legalization/licensing. Legalization means the government is poking its nose into our business, and it's illegal to be a sex worker/client unless you are doing it under X, Y and Z conditions. Best to remove all specific restrictions and focus efforts into funding supports and resources (advocacy groups, resources for clients who have been scammed, STI testing, addictions treatment, career counseling for people wanting to leave the industry, etc etc).

Removing the legal barriers means that both clients and workers will feel safer getting help if they've experienced abuse, robbery, or bad behaviour.

 

[rubylabellexo]

There's an uptick of traffickers approaching minors. What do they do? I know, let's get Cagney and Lacey to put on their ruby red lipstick, short pleather skirts and fishnets and roundup some more meatheads for John School!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best thing you can do is slide that age filter in LL up to 26. A few things about this:

1. It is extremely rare for a lady under 25 to be independent
2. No way are they traveling across country without a pimp keeping them on a short leash.
3. You're weeding out most of the scams running on LL, which are typically in this 25 and under bracket.

There are certainly exceptions - Adore Ashlynn was touring Canada-wide well before 25 - but it should be pretty obvious when someone is young but also running a professional business. (solid website, web presence, active on Twitter etc)

 

[rubintugger]

Legalization vs. decriminalization is a heated debate, no doubt.

I do not think the industry would suffer if legalized. Yes, gov't gets involved, but are inspected and approved facilities / workers that bad a thing? Sure, it reduces the "cut" for the workers a bit, but not if the total price for an assured product rises, and the costs to do illicit business drop. A truly stellar courtesan would have no limit to their earning potential as well. And there would be no need for street workers when they could find good employment and support in a legit establishment.

In countries where it is legal, it is actually a profession, and women can chose to work in the industry.

Decriminalization can open up more doors for abuse, especially if living off the avails goes away.

Regardless the level of legal/illegal, sex work is a part of our society. It is, as they say, the oldest profession. It does offer the opportunity to be self regulating, as long as we remove the stigma from the work, and watch for and report trafficked or abused workers.

 

[MRGREEN]

Much the same as weed, decriminalization would have been much better than legalization. Govt snuck a whole bunch of stuff into the legalization bills. Especially consumption in public and highway traffic stuff like pulling someone.over for no reason easier to go fishing now.

 

[ChromeGasCap]

As far as the government is concerned, the government always does what is best for the government. The popular opinions in the general populous is that this is an industry fraught with crime, drugs, human trafficking, all SPs are minors, and all clients are pedophiles. The government using this for votes, will take actions to secure these votes.

As for normalizing this industry, is it truly a best solution for the long term benefit of society.. probably not.. normalization of many progressive ideals is already having a detrimental effect on society.

As far as the SPs cut of profits, this industry deals predominantly in cash, so there is no true way to prove or disprove an SPs earning potential for tax purposes, so they could continue claiming what they are claiming with little to no consequence.

Best just to leave the government out of regulatory oversight.

 

[skycrush99]

Much the same as weed, decriminalization would have been much better than legalization. Govt snuck a whole bunch of stuff into the legalization bills. Especially consumption in public and highway traffic stuff like pulling someone.over for no reason easier to go fishing now.

Legalization and the degree of regulatory control are two different things. Maybe not for too far-left leaning governments tho…

its legal to start a cleaning business with minimal government control except taxation, labor standards, etc

It could be the same… leaving most spending and resources to fighting the seedy white underbelly without infantilizing SWs who are in it to win it.

unfortunately it’s hard to see anyone with the political will to do the right thing here because lets face it, what is the upside for them?

 

[rubintugger]

Legitimizing sex work brings a lot of benefit to both client and provider. Sure, SP's won't make $300/hr, but they won't be getting $15/hr. But they will work in controlled environments, choosing what the will or won't do, and probably make a much more stable income.

Clients will have a safe place to visit, will have known menu's and prices beforehand, be assured of regular testing and clean facilities.

For both, it could mean a reduction in mental health issues associated with the industry.

Regardless the level of legalization, there will still be the criminal element, and those that wish to delve into the seedier side of things outside the law, on both sides. One benefit of legitimizing the industry is freeing up enforcement to chase down and prosecute these elements, instead of chasing after sp's and clients who just want to take care of business.

 

[Marcreed]

When a vehicle is seized lets say trying to pick up a undercover for a car call do you lose the vehicle if you are convicted?

 

[shorty1967]

When a vehicle is seized lets say trying to pick up a undercover for a car call do you lose the vehicle if you are convicted?

Don’t quote me but I thought I read in the past if it is a second charge then yes car is forfeited. If first charge and you go through John school, you get the vehicle back.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don’t quote me but I thought I read in the past if it is a second charge then yes car is forfeited. If first charge and you go through John school, you get the vehicle back.
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Prostitution
Section 242.2(3) of The HTA, allows a peace officer to seize and impound a vehicle if the driver, while operating a vehicle, commits an offence related to obtaining sexual services or procuring.

There is no minimum impoundment period. However, the vehicle may be authorized for release if the:

• the vehicle is stolen
• the driver has been accepted to a program of alternative measures (John School)
• the owner has provided a cash security equal to the value of the motor vehicle
• the owner, who is not the driver, applies to a Justice for the release of the motor vehicle

If the driver is convicted of the offence, the motor vehicle or cash security will be forfeited to the Province of Manitoba. If the driver is accepted into John School, charges are stayed by the Crown

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Don’t quote me but I thought I read in the past if it is a second charge then yes car is forfeited. If first charge and you go through John school, you get the vehicle back.

Prostitution
Section 242.2(3) of The HTA, allows a peace officer to seize and impound a vehicle if the driver, while operating a vehicle, commits an offence related to obtaining sexual services or procuring.

There is no minimum impoundment period. However, the vehicle may be authorized for release if the:

• the vehicle is stolen
• the driver has been accepted to a program of alternative measures (John School)
• the owner has provided a cash security equal to the value of the motor vehicle
• the owner, who is not the driver, applies to a Justice for the release of the motor vehicle

If the driver is convicted of the offence, the motor vehicle or cash security will be forfeited to the Province of Manitoba. If the driver is accepted into John School, charges are stayed by the Crown

 

[westwoody]

John School is not a free pass, they kick you out if they don’t like your attitude or if you argue.