Stopped at the border because she was an SP and banned from the States

Robert Upndown

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I have a friend, a local SP, that was flying to the States last week for pleasure and got stopped at the gate and questioned. Through a series of events, and questions, it was discovered that she was an SP working in VAN and told she would not be allowed to enter the States. Furthermore, she was also told she was banned from entering the States again unless she attained a waiver. She is devastated! Does anyone have any expereince with this sort of situation. What is a waiver and how is it attained? She has NEVER worked outside of Canada, so them thinking she was going down to work is an incorrect assumption. Any ideas or assistance is greatly appreciated.
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I was just in the states on vacation and happened to talk to a woman whose husband has to obtain a waiver to cross into the states.

It turns out that in 1990 her husband (who was single at the time) took a Swedish woman across the border (who didn't have a passport) and the husband told customs that the woman was from Canada and she just didn't have a passport. It turns out customs found out that the woman was really from Sweden and didn't have a passport.

Now whenever the husband wants to travel into the states he has to obtain a waiver. The woman sounded frustrated at the process. Once the husband obtains a waiver it's only good for 5 years and the he has to reapply again.

By the sounds of it, your SP friend must of had a run in at customs previously. She must be on their radar and that's why they won't let her in. Perhaps they googled her pic and it came back showing a pic from her SP website???? (just a guess)
 

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I have a friend, a local SP, that was flying to the States last week for pleasure and got stopped at the gate and questioned. Through a series of events, and questions, it was discovered that she was an SP working in VAN and told she would not be allowed to enter the States. Furthermore, she was also told she was banned from entering the States again unless she attained a waiver. She is devastated! Does anyone have any expereince with this sort of situation. What is a waiver and how is it attained? She has NEVER worked outside of Canada, so them thinking she was going down to work is an incorrect assumption. Any ideas or assistance is greatly appreciated.
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USA considers her to be morally decadent and therefore can ban her for ten years on the spot. A five year ban is not uncommon. There is an appeal process, but forget it. She needs to get an American immigration lawyer to help her apply for a waiver. I think this American lawyer guy is a bit of a jerk, but he might be able to help - look him up in Blaine.... Len Saunders. Be prepared to spend money. If she has no compelling reason to visit USA, better just to avoid the States altogether.... this includes any connecting flights, even if she usses only the airport transit corridor to another flight to somewhere other than America, docking boats, whatever wherever in the USA. If she is banned and without a waiver and is found in USA in any way, it's jail time.
 

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I don't think it is because being an SP is criminal in the US and not in Canada. That in itself wouldn't exclude her, because they know it is legal here. It is also legal in some parts of the US. The problem for her is that they were assuming that she was going to the US for the express purpose of touring, which would be an immigration violation, and if she is an active SP it would be hard to persuade them otherwise.
 

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I have a friend, a local SP, that was flying to the States last week for pleasure and got stopped at the gate and questioned. Through a series of events, and questions, it was discovered that she was an SP working in VAN and told she would not be allowed to enter the States. Furthermore, she was also told she was banned from entering the States again unless she attained a waiver. She is devastated! Does anyone have any expereince with this sort of situation. What is a waiver and how is it attained? She has NEVER worked outside of Canada, so them thinking she was going down to work is an incorrect assumption. Any ideas or assistance is greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Many good comments on this thread. Here are my two cents:

About the waiver - someone I know requires a waiver to get into the US because he has a conviction for possession of a narcotic (happened decades ago), and even with a waiver, he has been turned away and denied entry into the US on some of his attempts to enter the US. I think some Canadian immigration lawyers can work on US waiver applications or at least refer to a US lawyer that specializes in them.

Suggestions to SPs that cross the border (I'm sure many SPs already do the following) - don't bring your SP work phone across the border in case US customs officers examine it and see text conversations between the SP and pooners. Same with a computer, no traces of SP work, ie. email, link to their own SP website. Of course, never admit to being an SP, I'm guessing that those US customs officers are sneaky and will ask leading questions if they suspect that a traveller entering the US is an SP, I'm sure most SPs would never admit to being an SP to a customs officer. It would be interesting to know the details of how the OP's SP friend was discovered that she was an SP.
 

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I have a friend, a local SP, that was flying to the States last week for pleasure and got stopped at the gate and questioned. Through a series of events, and questions, it was discovered that she was an SP working in VAN and told she would not be allowed to enter the States. Furthermore, she was also told she was banned from entering the States again unless she attained a waiver. She is devastated! Does anyone have any expereince with this sort of situation. What is a waiver and how is it attained? She has NEVER worked outside of Canada, so them thinking she was going down to work is an incorrect assumption. Any ideas or assistance is greatly appreciated.
Thank you
That's awful, poor girl. Would you be able to tell us what led them to finding out?
 

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there have been reports of this befoe on PERB and usually something the gals does or says or is carrying give away her situation. One Sp drove up to the Blaine border crossing a few years ago and said she was going to Vegas, alone. Her suitcases were opened and her "work" clothes found, and she got a four year rejection on the spot. If you buy an airplane ticket and use a work published phone number on it, or they can make any connection to SP work at all, you a done. However, many gals get away with the situation, just don't hit a border guard who twigs onto the item, and I know a couple who have crossed the border regularly without detection for many many years. But then too, having a regular job or fall back in that area makes a big difference. If you appear to be unemployed when asked who you work for, have a suitcase full of condomns and work stuff, going to the wrong destination, like maybe Vegas, etc, the border guards are very likely to spot the situation. Like anything else, some make it, some don't.

She might just as well forget trying to enter the states again for at least four to five years, permit or not. what does she have to appeal on? She likely can't back up a legitimate position at all...no real job, no income here, etc..

The other advice, if she wants to vacation, take direct flights to Mexico or other destinations that don't stop in the US. Just stay well clear of the place for several years.

Next advice, get out of the trade, get a legit job, have a boss, income, home, etc. and this can be overcome. But a waiver just isn't in the wind until....
 

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Wow, sorry to hear about your friend's experience. Sometimes you just hit the wrong border guard. How devastating; no CA, no Vegas, no cross-border shopping. Obviously not life threatening stuff, but who wants their life restricted that way?

This is really serious and I had no idea that this could/would even happen. Much good advice has already been shared here. My thoughts are that, once you're on their radar, entry will forever be a huge pain.

Your friend has probably already done lots of online research. But, in a quick search, I came up with:

http://www.nationalpardon.org/us-waiver/fees

http://fips.ca/faq_waivers.html#1

http://www.grasmick.com/serotte.htm

http://www.commissionaires.ca/national/en/services-personal/personal-us-entry-waiver-service

Seriously, all the best to her.
 
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I have a friend, a local SP, that was flying to the States last week for pleasure and got stopped at the gate and questioned. Through a series of events, and questions, it was discovered that she was an SP working in VAN and told she would not be allowed to enter the States. Furthermore, she was also told she was banned from entering the States again unless she attained a waiver. She is devastated! Does anyone have any expereince with this sort of situation. What is a waiver and how is it attained? She has NEVER worked outside of Canada, so them thinking she was going down to work is an incorrect assumption. Any ideas or assistance is greatly appreciated.
Thank you
A very similar thing happened to me. I ordered some work outfits online and had them sent to a post office box in Blaine rather than have them sent to my house as I normally do. Have someone staying at my house that I didn't want to have intercept the items if I was at my incall or something so thought I'd try the mailbox thing and just go grab them. I have a massage business so that I can pay my taxes and save money legally etc and when I got to the US border and was asked what I do for a living (??!!) and told them I am self employed and after further questioning told them the name of my business I was sent into the Customs Office and harassed for 4 hours. They saw that I had 2 cel phones - which they took while they questioned me - it was like bizarro world. I was totally open and honest - BIG MISTAKE ! I have never been arrested for anything ever, no criminal activity or even traffic tickets or offences so was naive I guess and answered honestly. Anyways after 4 hours and them sending dogs out to my car and going through all my gym stuff etc and the way they were treating me I gave up on going to get my 100.00 package, I told them I'd call the place and just have it shipped to my home which is my normal routine so they escorted me to the Canadian side. Technically I wasn't refused entry but I have a strong feeling I was not entering their country that day and that I'd have the same problem if I ever tried again which I won't. There were 2 guys in the booth on the Canadian side and they saw me being escorted back and asked what happened ?? They were so cool about it all and kinda giggled when I told them where the problem started ... when I told them the name of my business ... they looked at each other and laughed and said "ya, they don't like that kinda thing over there". I told them how happy I was to be Canadian and back in Canada and they were very friendly and apologetic about the ordeal. We are so damn lucky to live in this wonderful country !!!
 

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A very similar thing happened to me. I ordered some work outfits online and had them sent to a post office box in Blaine rather than have them sent to my house as I normally do. Have someone staying at my house that I didn't want to have intercept the items if I was at my incall or something so thought I'd try the mailbox thing and just go grab them. I have a massage business so that I can pay my taxes and save money legally etc and when I got to the US border and was asked what I do for a living (??!!) and told them I am self employed and after further questioning told them the name of my business I was sent into the Customs Office and harassed for 4 hours. They saw that I had 2 cel phones - which they took while they questioned me - it was like bizarro world. I was totally open and honest - BIG MISTAKE ! Anyways after 4 hours and them sending dogs out to my car and going through all my gym stuff etc and the way they were treating me I gave up on going to get my 100.00 package, I told them I'd call the place and just have it shipped to my home which is my normal routine so they escorted me to the Canadian side. Technically I wasn't refused entry but I have a strong feeling I was not entering their country that day and that I'd have the same problem if I ever tried again which I won't. There were 2 guys in the booth on the Canadian side and they saw me being escorted back and asked what happened ?? They were so cool about it all and kinda giggled when I told them where the problem started ... when I told them the name of my business ... they looked at each other and laughed and said "ya, they don't like that kinda thing over there". I told them how happy I was to be Canadian and back in Canada and they were very friendly and apologetic about the ordeal. We are so damn lucky to live in this wonderful country !!!
Wow, that is WAY too much trouble for a couple of sexy outfits, Miss SJ! Glad you had the option of just abandoning the package and getting the hell out of the country (albeit with an 'escort', haha the irony)...
 
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Wow, that is WAY too much trouble for a couple of sexy outfits, Miss SJ! Glad you had the option of just abandoning the package and getting the hell out of the country (albeit with an 'escort', haha the irony)...
You know what though ... before they even took my cel phones I told them I wanted to return to Canada and they said I was already on American soil and they had the right to take my phones and the right to detain me. It wasn't like " I want to leave now" and "ok lets get going." It was "you have already entered the US and we are going to search your vehicle and obtain your property and search it". I had to wait until they were finished what ever investigating they were going to do before I could go. I was totally outraged and told them so but nothing mattered until they were done checking me out. I honestly felt like I had crossed over into some weird dimension where nothing made sense anymore. Wish I could explain just how cool the Canadian guys were about it all !!!
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You know what though ... before they even took my cel phones I told them I wanted to return to Canada and they said I was already on American soil and they had the right to take my phones and the right to detain me. It wasn't like " I want to leave now" and "ok lets get going." It was "you have already entered the US and we are going to search your vehicle and obtain your property and search it". I had to wait until they were finished what ever investigating they were going to do before I could go. I was totally outraged and told them so but nothing mattered until they were done checking me out. I honestly felt like I had crossed over into some weird dimension where nothing made sense anymore. Wish I could explain just how cool the Canadian guys were about it all !!!'
Believe me, young lady, I'm sure we all totally get it. They do live in another dimension down there. As a generalization, they are a most backward, two-faced, discriminatory society...and they love their guns, go figure! Not to derail this thread but, here are a few examples of their ridiculous perspective of life on planet Earth...

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/07/30/mississippi-church-refuses-to-marry-black-couple

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article/93876--immigrants-big-business-for-us-prison-companies

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2533/why-is-prostitution-illegal

At the same time, I have many great American friends, who wish they could live here in Canada!
 

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I have a friend, a local SP, that was flying to the States last week for pleasure and got stopped at the gate and questioned. Through a series of events, and questions, it was discovered that she was an SP working in VAN and told she would not be allowed to enter the States. Furthermore, she was also told she was banned from entering the States again unless she attained a waiver. She is devastated! Does anyone have any expereince with this sort of situation. What is a waiver and how is it attained? She has NEVER worked outside of Canada, so them thinking she was going down to work is an incorrect assumption. Any ideas or assistance is greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Lawyers will charge you an arm and a leg, do it yourself. The only help you should need is when you go to the cops to get fingerprints done. Get the form from either, the Consulate or at YVR Customs/Immigration. Fill it out, submit and hope for the best.
 

Robert Upndown

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That's awful, poor girl. Would you be able to tell us what led them to finding out?
I appreciate the curiosity and certainly it would be of help to others, should the reasons she was turned away from the border be revealed. However, it is not my place to speak for her. What I can speak of is she is very grateful for all the replies and advice. Thank you
 
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Going to the USA is a privileg not a right. Sorry SJ, they have every right to do what they did, just as the Canadians do when we come home (and they do).
Once I understood I had technically already crossed the border and was on their side then ya, I understood they had their rights. Doesn't mean their rights made any sense or that I agree with them. Wasn't like I was going down there to do business or break any of their rules ... just picking up a package which I could easily route to my home .... none of what they were doing was making any sense. They can keep their lame little laws .... we got it made up here man !!! They spent 4 hours of their time and tax payer's dollars preventing me from picking up a package ..... whatever !!!!
 

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Oh yes Border Crossings ~sigh~

April/May (dont remember) 2007 - First trip to NYC to 'work' no troubles going in or coming out. 30 Days later, back I went, Vegas, Chicago, NYC: no troubles going in or out.

2009 - Went to Mexico for School Spring break; February, On my way back into Canada I was detained for 2 hours. They took my computer, phone and went through my bag with a fine tooth comb. On my computer is all my 'work' pictures, opps !! But I was allowed to come home :)

2009 - *Summer* Drove into the states, got pulled into the office as they checked my car. I think I was there an hour. they asked why I was going into the states, I replied, your roads are better then Canada's and I'm on my way to Ontario. "How long are you going to be in USA ?" My reply, "Maybe a week" I was in the states for 4 weeks ~opps~ On my way home at the border, I was pulled over into the shed, 4 hours of questions, 4 hours of them going through EVERYTHING I had in my car, Looking at receipts, computers and even taking my spare tire off from under my vehicle. Questioning me on money orders I sent Ginger to deposit in my account. Reciepts on paying ERO's (though they dont use ERO's for their company name, I'm sure they know what the business name is) I brought my kitten with me and when she started whinning for something to eat, I wasn't even allowed to feed her. "Sit on the bench and DONT move" I replied, "but my girl needs to eat, she hasn't eaten all day as we were driving" So they feed her. By the time I was through the border it was 2am.

I really thought, coming home would be easy and didn't think to send receipts back into Canada. I did remove all my computer activity, took all my pictures off the hard drive, erased all cell phone activity. EVERYTIME I go into the states I do this.

November 2011: into the states to 'work'. Crossed the border at Windsor Ont. No troubles. Coming back from the states a week later, No Troubles.

So I think the problem is when girls spend an extended time in the USA, ~maybe~
 

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Lawyers will charge you an arm and a leg, do it yourself. The only help you should need is when you go to the cops to get fingerprints done. Get the form from either, the Consulate or at YVR Customs/Immigration. Fill it out, submit and hope for the best.
Yup, because even when you pay your $550 US for the waiver application fee, there is no guarantee it will be granted at all. And as for the time period, the only waivers I've heard about are only good for one year (maybe depending on the circumstances, it is longer), meaning the applicant has to do it (and pay for it) all over again.

There is a company out of Quebec that will help with the process for lower fees that lawyers would charge, if someone doesn't want to risk missing any key information. Plus what is the point of using a lawyer, this isn't something that has anything to do with real law or the legal system. It is a border patrol/customs issue, they are not governed by laws lol.

A waiver can take months to process, with no guarantees, but at least with one the holder can fly with stops in the US, because finding routes to most places without stopping in the US along the way is challenging.

I am curious about the details of the stop. She should probably find out if a waiver is actually necessary for the reason given. Most of the time, waivers seem to deal with past criminal charges. If you have a record, a waiver may be requested. Some people cross over for years with no issues, then one day they will be stopped and sent back telling them they now need one.

I see this kind of thing as a cash grab. Like when you go across for commercial reasons, the US charges a fee each time (or it is paid for a yearly). Canada does not charge anyone for crossing for commercial goods, so 'cash grab' is how I describe it.
 

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Checked into it as I've had a dui over 20 yrs ago.Do it yourself local police can do a criminal record check(cost $25) Pardons Canada(the gov't web site) will give you step by step instructions on their web site & the waiver is good for 5 yrs.Places like Pardons Canada(looks official,but it's not) & the Commissionaires charge quite a lot of money for this service(up too $1,200) & it doesn't get your waiver any faster.
Did my criminal record check & the police said to not even bother getting the waiver,said US customs are more interested in drug & sex offences.
Hope that helps LD
 

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I ran into this in reverse. Had a DWI about 25 years ago, was turned away at the Canadian border about 12 years ago, so I guess the DWI was about 13 years at the time I was denied entry. If I remember right, it was a Sunday, and the supervisor wasn't there that day. So I had to spend the night in the US, then could apply at the border for a waiver the next day. Got it, and into Canada. My understanding is that the waiver does not expire. Don't think it protects me from future convictions should they occur.

Both the US and Canada are the same in this way. If you are convicted of a crime (anything from DWI on up), you can be denied entry into other countries.

Having crossed the border a whole bunch of times, can tell you the standard questions you should anticipate being able to answer....
top of the list....what do you do professionally? Expect to have to answer follow-up questions whatever your answer.

other questions...where are you going, how long, who are you meeting, where are you staying, where do you live.
 

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this is a result of human trafficking measures as well as they have always had a zero tolerance policy around criminals.

in one case i remember, the worker was shown a print out of her website by the border guards which i am assuming was found using a google search and the phone number she provided to them. also, if you have ever had any cause to interact with police such as an assault in which the police learned you are an sp, you have a gang file which can also be seen by us border services and will "out" you to them.

they are taught we are all pimped out drug addicted hiv positive criminals in need of rescue or jail....for our own good don't 'cha know...in the case above her mother was with her and they questioned them both for hours. they wanted her to "name her pimp" and banned her from the us but not before a little fun at the degradation game...."does your mother know what you do?" and then judging them both, condesending comments, searches...the works.

if an sp wants to go to the us, take a cell phone with no sex work affiliation and offer that number to the border guards or alternatively, you could remove every single ad you have ever posted and try to "clean up your on-line identity"...alot of work.

in my opinion, if you are an sp, do not go to the us in these times of ever increasing criminalization. go to europe!! they have no issues with us there!! or anywhere else for that matter! just the moral us of a....weird.

also, with the new anti trafficking immigration law recently passed i would not be surprised to see workers touring to canada facing the same kind of problems getting in. workers now have to sign a paper stating they will not work in the sex industry in canada and if they are found to do so, they are arrested and deported....not sure how that helps human traficking victims but it sure makes member of parliament joy smith from winnipeg kildonen happy...bitch...we have been trying to meet with her as per the federal governments mandate to put the voices of victims first for the last 3 years. we did have a meeting set up then she cancelled at the last minute. we did meet with the federal ombudsman for the victims of crime and she agreed with us (she's a former police chief) that joy smith should definitly at least once meet with the people she claims to want to save...ugh

i am sorry to say that while things are improving inside the city here, it seems like its going backwards in other areas. the other big problem recently is that most actions for supporting indoor workers being planned are focused on canadian workers only. some may think this is good and that these jobs are canadian workers jobs and good ridance but it completely over looks migrant workers and new canadians who don't understnad the rules or trust the police.

anyway, my 2 cents worth.
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