Stop the madness...
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Ta' hell with tact, talk dirty to me baby!!!
If your not here by spring, I'll scooting out your way on big ass cross country tour. I am sure I can make time for a beer with you when I am in town.
If your not here by spring, I'll scooting out your way on big ass cross country tour. I am sure I can make time for a beer with you when I am in town.
There are some people (i.e. child molesters, rapists, serial offenders, etc.) who simply need to have their hall pass revoked. How in the holy fuck can you defend them?OTBn said:
I'll see if I can put my finger on somethingSaraphina said:Ta' hell with tact, talk dirty to me baby!!!
totally feel for the people from that building in surrey thats for sure but to get back to the topic of donor fatigue, what the hell is up with the people on the street that ask "do you have time for amnesty int.?" or "do you have time for the bcspca?" or "do you have time for green peace?".
like what the fuck is up with that shit. all of those organizations do work that i support and i'm glad that they exist but i mean c'mon. if i'm walking on the street i'm walking with a purpose. i'm going to work or i'm meeting a friend or i'm late for something and don't have time.
don't fucking bug me on the street and make me feel guilty for not giving you my credit card number on the street so you can take monthly donations off of it. i actually did have time one day before i started working 7 days a week, and took the time to talk to one of these people cause like i said i am interrested and support an organization such as amnesty and i was going to make a donation but they can't accept cash, so fuck it.
when i'm walking on the street late for something or going somewhere don't bug me cause no i don't have time for whatever and this is coming from a self professed liberal person.
like what the fuck is up with that shit. all of those organizations do work that i support and i'm glad that they exist but i mean c'mon. if i'm walking on the street i'm walking with a purpose. i'm going to work or i'm meeting a friend or i'm late for something and don't have time.
don't fucking bug me on the street and make me feel guilty for not giving you my credit card number on the street so you can take monthly donations off of it. i actually did have time one day before i started working 7 days a week, and took the time to talk to one of these people cause like i said i am interrested and support an organization such as amnesty and i was going to make a donation but they can't accept cash, so fuck it.
when i'm walking on the street late for something or going somewhere don't bug me cause no i don't have time for whatever and this is coming from a self professed liberal person.
No, everyone (even the most loathsome fuckers like pickton) need to be afforded legitimate due process with the courts. My complaint with our judicial system is that the judges have stopped judging and rather have started to define the laws with their interpretation of sentencing guidelines. If there's only one change that could be made it would be give the electorate the right of judicial recall.OTBn said:
As much as I may occasionally rant about how we need to flush a huge number of our planet-mates its purely conjecture. In reality I'm solely indifferent to 99% of the population and don't wish them anything good, bad or otherwise.OTBn said:
we're practically the same!smackyo said:
Bullshit they do. 90% of them I do not qualify for based on income. Those few that I do, are rated down so that if I TRULY was dependent on them I would self adjust my income to get the most benefit.imrokhaard said:
Bullshit again. The ONLY place I use more than those on 'welfare' is the roads. And even then, looking back to when I was 12 and 13 years old and delivering newspapers, I remember that a lot of my subscribers who were on welfare had new vehicles and entertainment systems, and it was the kids who had to make do with less than ideal clothing, especally in winter, and it was the newspaper bill that did not get paid, never the cable TV bill.imrokhaard said:
Flat out lying bullshit. Are you truly that stupid? No one HAS to go into debt, no matter what they earn. I spent 5 years working for 20k a year and I emerged from that LESS in debt than I started. Give yourself a slap for achieving new heights in monumental stupidity.imrokhaard said:
- TR
It was not expressed as an opinion. It was expressed as "the rich get richer and the poor get deeper in debt." Just because people CHOOSE to be mindless spending drones has nothing to do with income. And if you actually follow the math, the most heavily in debt are the 'middle class' or do we have to redefine them again since it is so unfair that not everyone makes 100k a year without getting off their ass to earn it?OTBn said:
- TR
P.S. The above reply is not directed at you personally, just at the mindset a few people have expressed that any disparity in wealth is somehow wrong.
Wow , what a thread. I guess Christmas is officially over and we can go back to being the stingy, mean bastards we are 51 weeks a year.
The problem most of us have with charity is the huge rip offs that occur and the bloodsuckers who prey on the good will and charity of others when they do not need it.
I know very little about the specific incident that touched off LK, but it sure sounds like there was some innocent victims in the building and maybe even children who by default are innocent victims.
For any incident of this nature society needs to have a 2 part response.
The first part is immediate assistance to help those who need it and deserve it. It is very difficult to identify those who need it and deserve it without delaying a response, so I am prepared to see half of the relief or assistance provided go to waste.
The second part is longer term assistance to give the person an opportunity to get themselves back on there feet. To me that is not handing out huge amounts of cash (i.e. 9/11 victims), it is tailoring the response to meet each individuals needs. So if a mechanic lost his tools, they should receive help in getting their tools back so they can go back to work. An interest free loan may be the appropriate response.
For me the big challenge is the vehicle that delivers this response.
The Red Cross and Sally Ann seem to be very efficient at the immediate response and I gave last year to both of those organizations.
The big hole is the delivery vehicle for the long term response. I know it is not government, I also paid a significant amount of payroll taxes last year, nothing that approaches LKs contribution, but significant. I do not believe more than a few dollars went to an effective program for long term assistance ( a hand up, not a hand out).
I think a major failure of our society is our lack of an organization that effectively provides opportunity to help people down and out get back on their feet.
The problem most of us have with charity is the huge rip offs that occur and the bloodsuckers who prey on the good will and charity of others when they do not need it.
I know very little about the specific incident that touched off LK, but it sure sounds like there was some innocent victims in the building and maybe even children who by default are innocent victims.
For any incident of this nature society needs to have a 2 part response.
The first part is immediate assistance to help those who need it and deserve it. It is very difficult to identify those who need it and deserve it without delaying a response, so I am prepared to see half of the relief or assistance provided go to waste.
The second part is longer term assistance to give the person an opportunity to get themselves back on there feet. To me that is not handing out huge amounts of cash (i.e. 9/11 victims), it is tailoring the response to meet each individuals needs. So if a mechanic lost his tools, they should receive help in getting their tools back so they can go back to work. An interest free loan may be the appropriate response.
For me the big challenge is the vehicle that delivers this response.
The Red Cross and Sally Ann seem to be very efficient at the immediate response and I gave last year to both of those organizations.
The big hole is the delivery vehicle for the long term response. I know it is not government, I also paid a significant amount of payroll taxes last year, nothing that approaches LKs contribution, but significant. I do not believe more than a few dollars went to an effective program for long term assistance ( a hand up, not a hand out).
I think a major failure of our society is our lack of an organization that effectively provides opportunity to help people down and out get back on their feet.
i see the point you are making and agree with it but just to let you know, i was looking for a new place last summer and i was hard pressed to find anything for under $800 a month and those were bachelors and if lucky one bedrooms.imrokhaard said:
this was if you were in east van or west side. the neighborhood hardly makes a difference anymore its pretty much the same price across the board.
I must be on some kind of list too. I was overwhelmed this past week by these charity cash calls. In the beginning, I was politely telling them that I had already reached my annual budget for charitable donations which I had. Then some of them start laying on the guilt trip. By mid week, I was telling them that I had taken a vow of poverty and that I had nothing to give. By the end of the week, I was screaming for them to leave me the fuck alone as well.
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So your 'poor' should be paying more than they are right? Because the numbers do not support your point of view. The 'wealthy' pay for 90% of the social institutions, and use less than 10% of them, by taxes. Remind me again what circular argument you used to get here?imrokhaard said:
Single, living on my own in an 'economy' single room apartment for $450 a month. Food (no alcohol, no smokes, nothing but essentials) 200$ a month. Bus pass 45$ a month. Other expenses, 100$ a month. Total - 800$ a month. Sure it was not a great life, but I was paying off 600$ a month or so in debt.imrokhaard said:
Not my issue in any way. I am not responsible for others inability to make good decisions. Just because you CAN breed, does not make it the rest of societies responsibility to support you because you (and, optionally) your s/o decide to spawn without a clue as to what it is going to do to your life.imrokhaard said:
Read above. Not my responsibility to bail others out when they do something like that. Now, you PROVE why a new color TV and a new car are REQUIREMENTS for people and then maybe I might have more sympathy for your complaint on debt.imrokhaard said:
Now don't you feel stupid for jumping to conclusions like that? Hard work and a refusal to go into debt is now 'good luck' and that same failing to spend like a wastrel is also 'good luck' ... have you even read anything anyone has posted or are you just complaining and trying to come up with more ways to say 'I am entitled to my entitlements and all the proof in the world won't change my mind, now give me more money!" ?imrokhaard said:
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