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Stop Online Spying: Bill C-51 allows police to view your web-surfing

Bartdude

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These cocksucking fuckers have no shame. A pox on every single one of them.

Tories on e-snooping: ‘Stand with us or with the child pornographers’

Canada’s privacy commissioners will be surprised to hear it, but the Conservatives are accusing anyone who opposes their bill to give police new powers to monitor the Internet of supporting child pornography.

A similar comment might have cost Stephen Harper the 2004 election. But with the next election years away, it’s hard to know whether or when Public Safety Minister Vic Toews will change his tune.

Mr. Toews will introduce Lawful Access legislation, as it is commonly called, into the House of Commons Tuesday. Previous versions of the bill failed to make it through minority parliaments, but now that the Conservatives have a majority it is almost certain to pass.

The bill will require Internet service providers to store and to make available to the government and police forces information on the Internet activity of their customers.

Police will require a warrant to obtain that information. But the bill would also permit them to obtain IP addresses (which identifies someone on the Internet), email addresses, mobile phone numbers and other information without any warrant.

Ann Cavoukian, Ontario’s privacy watchdog, is fiercely opposed to the legislation, which she calls “surveillance by design.” Federal Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart and other provincial privacy commissioners have also raised concerns.

But when Liberal MP Francis Scarpaleggia attacked the Conservatives for “preparing to read Canadians' emails and track their movements through cellphone signals” – which does appear to be a severe distortion of the bill’s powers – Mr. Toews’s counterattack was fierce.

“As technology evolves, many criminal activities, such as the distribution of child pornography, become much easier,” he told the House. “We are proposing to bring measures to bring our laws into the 21st century and to provide police with the lawful tools that they need.

“He can either stand with us or with the child pornographers.”


During the 2004 election campaign, the Conservatives issued and then quickly withdrew a press release suggesting then-prime minister Paul Martin supports child pornography because his government wasn’t, in the eyes of Conservatives, sufficiently tough on crime.

When confronted by reporters, Mr. Harper refused to back down. “I'm not going to, in any way, give the Liberal Party any break in its record on child pornography,” the Conservative Leader maintained. “It is disgraceful, they have had multiple opportunities to do something about it, and they have refused.”

Mr. Martin leapt at the gaffe. “Look, this is personal. I am a father and I am a husband, and he has crossed the line. He should apologize,” he maintained. Many observers credit the exchange with a last-minute surge that returned the Liberals to office in a minority government.

Now, it would appear, the Conservatives are once again lumping opponents of their law-and-order program in with pedophiles and pornographers.

Ms. Stoddart and Ms. Cavoukian have indicated they will wait to see the legislation Tuesday before offering comment.
 

jnewton

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Every ISP collects very detailed information on what passes through their servers. If the data passes through multiple ISP's servers, there are going to be multiple copies of that very detailed information stored away. Currently, the data is used to feed the ads you see on your computer. If you put Bijou's computer and mine side by side and go to the same webpage through the same Internet connection - Bijou will get different ads than I do. Anyone can test this.

What is wanted is rapid access to information that is already being collected and used.
Al, perhaps with the larger ISP's and maybe in the Frozen North but down South, your comment is not correct. Many many smaller ISP's do not have the equipment in place to do this, nor do they wish to. At various points I have been privy to the conversations about this subject at several ISP's and the consensus is it's too expensive and they have no desire to be part of Big Brother.
 

phukedup1

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Ironic

I think it's somewhat ironic that there are persons who frequent, let alone post on a message board devoted to escort reviews that support this bill.
 

phukedup1

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I think that statement reflects your moral attitudes towards legal prostitution. If you think that all SPs are "fallen women" perhaps YOU are in the wrong place.
I don't think that at all. Rather that would be the opinion of our <sarcasm>beloved</sarcasm> government and it's lowly opinion of our beloved SP's clientelle.

Members of this board would be prime material for the authorities to inpect the browsing habits of.
 

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Ah so now Toews the useless cocksucker renamed the bill the "Protecting Children From Online Predators Act".

This guy needs a swift kick in the crotch.
 

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Ah so now Toews the useless cocksucker renamed the bill the "Protecting Children From Online Predators Act".

This guy needs a swift kick in the crotch.


That's so disingenuous and manipulative. But that's not so surprising coming from those losers.
Can they really actually call it that when we all know it's going to be used for all kinds of other reasons?



You want to know where these fanatical freaks are headed? They just keep dreaming up new ways to convince us how much danger we're in and how lucky we are to have them protecting us or something. If they weren't trying hard enough to imitate the US before, this is their newest pathetic attempt at borrowing one of their tactics..



Ottawa’s new anti-terrorism strategy lists eco-extremists as threats
shawn mccarthy


After vowing to take on radical environmentalists determined to stop the Northern Gateway pipeline, the Harper government has released a new anti-terrorism strategy that targets eco-extremists as threats.

With his announcement this week, Public Safety Minister Vic Toews has increased the concern among environmentalists that Ottawa regards them as implacable adversaries to be monitored and battled, rather than well-meaning advocates to be consulted.

“This is just one more step in their attempt to marginalize the environmental movement and to quiet its voice,” John Bennett, executive director of Sierra Club Canada, said Friday. “It’s an indirect suggestion that somehow environmentalism is attached to terrorism and that’s just wrong.”

On Thursday, Mr. Toews released a statement on the government’s strategy, which will target not only known terrorist groups but “vulnerable individuals” who could be drawn into politically inspired violence.

The minister said that, in addition to foreign threats, the government would be vigilant against domestic extremism that is “based on grievances – real or perceived – revolving around the promotion of various causes such as animal rights, white supremacy, environmentalism and anti-capitalism.”

New Democratic Party MP Megan Leslie said the new strategy should be seen in the context of the government’s effort to demonize the environmental movement and aboriginal groups that are opposed to the proposed Northern Gateway pipeline.

The project, which would carry oil-sands bitumen to the B.C. coast for export to Asian markets, is a top priority for Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who has extolled Canada’s ability to supply oil to China during his visit to the rapidly growing Asian country this week.

Mr. Harper and Natural Resources Minister Joe Oliver have warned against foreign-funded, radical environmentalists who are determined to derail the Gateway pipeline, while a document from the Department of Foreign Affairs listed allies of the government’s oil-sands development plans and “adversaries” that included environmental and aboriginal groups.

Ms. Leslie said the anti-terrorism strategy carries the adversarial relationship between the government and the environmental groups to the extreme.

“I find it offensive that there is a list that puts people trying to protect the environment on the same list as white supremacists,” Ms. Leslie said. She said Ottawa has created a chill among groups that worry they are being infiltrated and subjected to surveillance, as police did with protest groups prior to the G20 meeting in Toronto in 2010.

Now regardless of whether or not you actually think the term terrorist is accurate to describe activities that include different forms of civil disobedience up to vandalism or destruction of property is one thing. I personally think it's absolutely ridiculous to even put that in the same category as terrorist activities that result in harm or death of people and does cause terror, such as 9/11, the Oklahoma bombing etc. But even if you are part of the hysterical group of people who would agree that animal rights and environmental activists fall under that category and that activists are dangerous criminals, there's something this retarded government of ours doesn't seem to understand when it makes loaded comments and engage in deceptive fear mongering like that. Do you even remember ONE instance in recent times when there have been serious acts of that kind in Canada?


Any labs vandalized, destroyed and animals freed? Any big development projects burned to the ground? Scientists harassed or individuals known to engage in, profit from or support Vivisection have their cars bombed or have their names and personal info published online for demonstrations to be held in front of their homes and all their neighbors made aware of what they do for a living?


The answer, of course, is no. You can't remember because these aren't regular or common occurrences in Canada. So what exactly is that POS referring to then with his alarmist claims? The only possible interpretation is that either he's calling legal activities, advocacy lobbying, dissent, protest and acts of civil disobedience terrorism..... or.... he's making it up in an attempt to discredit anyone who dares to oppose the government on issues relating to animal rights or the environment by implying they're terrorists and dangerous criminals. Or a bit of both of these?
Regardless of which one it is, it makes me sick - THEY make me sick.


However a spokesman for Mr. Toews said those fears are baseless, that the government is not targeting legitimate dissent.

“Terrorist action occurs when an extremist ideological group plans to carry out a violent attack that reasonably can be expected to kill people or destroy property,” Michael Patton, Mr. Toews’s director of communication, said in an e-mail Friday.

“We have seen individuals or groups of differing ideologies or points of view both internationally and domestically who have planned and carried out violent attacks to bring attention to their causes.”

There have been fringe groups that advocated violence to stop resource development, and a few years ago, there was a spate of pipelines bombings in northern Alberta that caused damage but no injuries.

At the same time, native leaders have warned Ottawa that their younger generation is becoming increasingly impatient with the poverty of first nations, and may turn to violence if resource projects are approved without their agreement and participation.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...sts-eco-extremists-as-threats/article2334975/


Who knows what the hell they're thinking - but one thing that leaves little doubt; the government is and has been targeting legitimate dissent. It was made very clear in Toronto for the g20.


Someone needs to start catching these guys with their pants down - we all know there's bound to be at least a handful of them with interesting extra curricular activities....or cock shots in circulation. That's how they do it in the U.S. - so maybe the wannabes in Canada should get the same scrutiny. At least, we'd get rid of a few of them that way. Say, isn't Stephen Harper's wife a lesbian? :p



Anyway, what is clear is that we should be very afraid of this very dangerous world.



Toews said he's not concerned with crime rate statistics and that much of the "rhetoric" on the costs of C-10 is "not warranted."

"Let's not talk about statistics, let's talk about danger," the public safety minister said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/01/pol-senate-committee-crime-bill.html


If nothing else, the next few years are going to have more than their fair share of unintentional hilarity - because unless I completely misunderstood that particular quote, Toews has just confirmed what opponents of the new crime legislation have been saying all along.

And that's that the legislation has nothing to do with crime, and everything to do with marketing.

You could parse it a little differently, and still get the gist: "I don't care about the facts: I'm focused on the fear."

It's a wonderfully knee-jerk kind of way to deal with the public, but you have to wonder what kind of end result it will bring.

And it's not only in crime bills. Prime Minister Stephen Harper tried a bit of it himself this past week: despite plenty of research that shows Canada's social programs aren't in the kind of jeopardy that those of our European neighbours are, Harper came up with the sudden need to bring Old Age Security spending "under control" to save our entire social safety net.

Once again, forget the facts and spread the fear. (Of course, it helps to build the fear yourself. Who knew our entire social care system was in danger before Harper trotted out the need to save it from itself?)

But back to crime. Rewind a little further, back to when Vic Toews actually did realize that statistics demonstrated that crime rates were down to levels last seen in the early '70s. (He must have since forgotten about those statistics, because he clearly doesn't know about them anymore.) He said that the Tory crime bill was to help address the increase in unreported crimes.

"We see this continuing trend of more and more crimes going unreported, and that ... I believe is an indication of a lack of confidence in the justice system," Toews told CTV in September 2010.

"And that is why our government is taking the measures that we are taking." All right. To get this straight, then: it's the increase in unreported crime (that's a great thing to try and measure in any form - it's big, it's bad, it's ... unreported, hence statistically, well, void) and the increase in ... wait for it ... danger.

Yep, I've noticed a tremendous rise in danger. Big pool of it just the other day outside the office - I had to cower in my car for hours

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The problem is that we have lots of numbers about crime rates in this country. We also have lots and lots of people who deal with crime, and who try to balance deterrence with punishment, recidivism with rehabilitation. And essentially, we're telling all those people, with all their skills and experience and knowledge, that what really matters is not the fact, but the fiction.

Instead, we're going to legislate based on the monster under the bed. We haven't seen it, we don't know where it is, but it's dangerous.

Billions of dollars for dust- bunnies and a lost sock or two.

Next time, why don't we pick a government that deals with real issues, instead of cashing in crassly and politically on our worst fears?

http://www.thetelegram.com/Opinion/Columns/2012-02-04/article-2885993/Trotting-out-the-bogeyman/1
 

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Someone needs to start catching these guys with their pants down - we all know there's bound to be at least a handful of them with interesting extra curricular activities....or cock shots in circulation. That's how they do it in the U.S. - so maybe the wannabes in Canada should get the same scrutiny. At least, we'd get rid of a few of them that way. Say, isn't Stephen Harper's wife a lesbian?
He's got the horny gene, thats for sure. Got to get up pretty early in the morning to get past some offended homo's...

Now the Minister of Family Values has struck again, this time making an appearance a couple weeks ago on "Co-ed night" with another young lady at a Winnipeg Gay Bathhouse called "Aquarius" . Toews arrived with the woman while wearing a hat and sunglasses and the couple rented a room where Toews stayed in the entire evening while his young lady friend cruised the bathhouse looking for playmates. We are told a husband and wife couple joined Vic and his friend in their room for over an hour before Toews left on his own a couple hours later. We don't know the details of what went on in that room......we will leave that to your imagination.

Normally, the private life of politicians is off limits. But when a man who is so opposed to gay people attends a gay bathhouse, it just has to be exposed. What do his loyal church-going followers have to say about this ? We hope Vic had fun anyway. Now only if he would stop being such a bigot we wouldn't have to spill out more of his private life.


http://www.wickedclub.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=9&id=7105&Itemid=556

Not that I care if he's a swinger... I'd rather see his fuckin hard drive for his 'research' on the subject of child porn. He zeroes in on it the same way 42 year old virgin Jason Kenney does to gays. Remember anti prostitution crusader Governer Elliot Spitzer? Yes I'm suggesting Toews has an eye for the little ones.
 
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Yes I'm suggesting Toews has an eye for the little ones.
well i guess... i mean he's an mp isn't he?

did i ever tell you the story about how the age of consent got batted around during the last couple of decades?

the mp's at the time voted for the age of consent to be lowered to 14 - only thing is they worded it such that it only applied to boys... this was so the mp's could fuck the page boys they employ in parliament! somebody blew the whistle on the gender imbalance contained in the new law so they had to amend the bill to read both sexes. this lasted for a while until somebody young got abducted and killed and the age got raised to 16 (18 in the case of 'exploitive' sex)

i'm too lazy to look up the years all this happened, just google it
 

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Every ISP collects very detailed information on what passes through their servers. If the data passes through multiple ISP's servers, there are going to be multiple copies of that very detailed information stored away. Currently, the data is used to feed the ads you see on your computer. If you put Bijou's computer and mine side by side and go to the same webpage through the same Internet connection - Bijou will get different ads than I do. Anyone can test this.

What is wanted is rapid access to information that is already being collected and used.

Happily, I ran across this Vimeo Video on this subject today.

No ISP don't sell your surfing history to other companies.

Let me use an example when you use google they install a cookie on your machine to track your web surfing. That is how your ads are directed at you and why it is different from other users. Or else they just use your IP address so that is why last fall all I got was Saskatchewan election ads. The difference between what Canada govt wants to do and what some company like google does, is I can opt out or protect myself from their cookies. (just delete them)

ISP don't have the technology to track or keep data on your internet history. In fact they are very angry at the Feds over these new law because it will cost them millions and they are asking the Canadian government to fund the upgrade required. But more likely it will mean new cost billed to the customer.
 

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I have Firefox set to delete cookies, I also have a program that runs automatically when I close Firefox that deletes the invisible cookies. I still get ads based on merchant pages I visited. These ads are on just about any page I visit. Right now, the ads are about cameras and smartphones because I posted that video of the smartphone app that removes unwanted things from photos and checked out the company's page.

This is after I closed Firefox yesterday, had all cookies cleared and did the monthly updates, scans, etc. So, where is the information stored if it's not my ISP?

ps, if you watched the video, you would have been told the retention period for various ISPs.
From the Globe and Mail

Behind the scenes, Canada's biggest ISPs are furious about a proposed law that would force them to install expensive new hardware and software to enable surveillance throughout their technical infrastructure. The ability to monitor and store data from multiple user intercepts isn't cheap. The government is expected to help with cost of installing these tools (which means you will help with those costs), but what about future technologies? What about cloud computing services? What about whatever new platforms and devices that come next? Eventually, ISPs will have to factor the surveillance premium into every new piece of technology they purchase. That likely means you'll start to see that surveillance premium on your bill.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ill-could-be-costly-overreach/article2339111/
 

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From the Globe and Mail

Behind the scenes, Canada's biggest ISPs are furious about a proposed law that would force them to install expensive new hardware and software to enable surveillance throughout their technical infrastructure. The ability to monitor and store data from multiple user intercepts isn't cheap. The government is expected to help with cost of installing these tools (which means you will help with those costs), but what about future technologies? What about cloud computing services? What about whatever new platforms and devices that come next? Eventually, ISPs will have to factor the surveillance premium into every new piece of technology they purchase. That likely means you'll start to see that surveillance premium on your bill.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ill-could-be-costly-overreach/article2339111/
Generally speaking, this is an unprofessional and irresponsible response!
 

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That was pretty funny, thanks!



Generally speaking, this is an unprofessional and irresponsible response!






On a different note... I just read this:



Greenpeace, aboriginal groups seen as 'extremist' threats

Saira Peesker, CTVNews.ca
Thu. Feb. 16 2012 7:56 PM ET


CSIS and the RCMP classify some animal rights, environmental and aboriginal activists alongside terrorists that pose a threat to national security, reveal documents obtained by two Canadian academics.

The documents were acquired by Queen's University's Jeffrey Monaghan and University of Victoria's Kevin Walby through Access to Information requests. The two sociologists analyzed the documents in a recent paper, "Making up ‘Terror Identities.'"

Issued between 2005 and 2010, the documents describe surveillance undertaken before the Vancouver Olympics, the G8 and G20 meetings in Toronto, and a cancelled North American leaders' summit; all planned for the year 2010.

The documents single out People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) and Greenpeace as among worrisome "multi issue extremist" groups, a category "described as activist groups, indigenous groups, environmentalists and others who are publicly critical of government policy."

As the group mentioned most often in the obtained documents, the paper says Greenpeace activists were among those targeting "critical infrastructure," a definition that expanded over time from energy production facilities to corporate symbols such as the Royal Bank of Canada.

"Domestic extremists maintain the intent and capability to carry out attacks against property in Canada," said the intelligence documents. "Given the use of direct action tactics by domestic extremists, the threat of serious violence cannot be discounted."

Greenpeace Canada's executive director, Bruce Cox, said the government is trying to "intimidate and smear" legitimate, non-violent groups that threaten its interests.

Cox told CTVs Power Play Thursday that he was at first surprised to see Greenpeace described as an extremist group in surveillance documents, but that quickly turned into dismay.

"I think we need to see this for what it is – it's another element of this government's orchestrated campaign to basically discredit anybody who opposes their agenda," he said.

Cox said Greenpeace's mandate is protection of bio-diversity and raising awareness of critical environmental issues -- not achieving its goals through aggression and violence.

The Queen's research paper notes many left-wing groups that use direct-action tactics -- such as protests and publicity stunts -- came to be seen as potential threats.

"Intelligence agencies have blurred the categories of terrorism, extremism and activism into an aggregate threat matrix," they wrote, noting the expanded definition allows intelligence agencies to engage in broader surveillance than they would legally be able to otherwise.

Monaghan and Walby say the development of the "multi issue extremism" category represents a shift in Canadian intelligence gathering that began around 2007. Previously, the focus had been on "Al Qaeda inspired terror groups," their report states.

"Mission creep within Canadian agencies was extensive and, over five years, transformed from abstract concerns around Al Qaeda terrorist groups to intensive surveillance of political opponents that publicly criticized a myriad of issues associated with hosting the Olympic Games."

The paper, published in the journal "Policing and Society," said targets were increasingly defined on the basis of suspicion, as opposed to concrete evidence. Infiltration of such groups was a key tactic, according to the security agencies' documents, a method that has come under fire by groups involved the G20 protests.

Cox said that kind of attitude toward environmental and other groups more resembles "U.S.-style Republican politics and campaigning than it does governing."

Meanwhile, the documents obtained by the research team also reveal ongoing rifts between the intelligence agencies themselves. Monaghan and Walby's paper describes a "longstanding animosity between the RCMP and CSIS."

In recent debates surrounding the Keystone XL and Northern Gateway pipeline projects, the Conservative government has criticized environmental groups who receive foreign support, often labelling them "extremists."

That designation, along with recently introduced-legislation to give police access to Canadians' Internet information, would make it even easier for police to spy on those involved in such protest movements
, critics say.



Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20...roups-extremist-threats-120216/#ixzz1mdPgAf9x
 

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