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Holy crap that is terrifying, and just one more reason I won’t do outcall to residences. Quite a few men have admitted to me they want outcalls to their residence because they are too drunk or high, which would make me personally more uncomfortable, and concerned for my safety.

I would not be surprised if this woman did use fake photos, sounds like maybe from LL, but absolutely no one deserves to be assaulted or shot at over that.What a scary experience, and glad to read the woman who got shot was able to survive this.

I would not say we need better security, so much, (most of us, mainly independents do not have security but many use safety measures we follow) but we definitely need to see decriminalization as it would overall reduce the amount of crime and violence towards SWers, give us more rights, and benefits too. It also would benefit clients as well in so many ways too.
 

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4 years is way too light.

The car rental company forcing the VICTIM who was shot to pay for cleaning her blood? Well fuck them too.
I agree. But this isn’t the first time a SWer was harmed by a client, where the sentence doesn’t seem to fit the seriousness of the crime. I have a hard time believing his story he didn’t think the gun had bullets, either. This sounds like attempted murder, to me.
 

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That fucken Asshole, should of gotten min of 25 years. He shot a woman in the back. He made bad decisions and should pay for his crime. A lenient justice system is to blame.
He also had an illegal firearm in concealed on himself, high on coke and drunk, in a residential neighbourhood, while his wife and kid slept in their home, then drove off after shooting this provider while drunk and high, fleeing the scene. This entire situation could have been much worse.

Our justice system is way too lenient, I fully agree with you.
 

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He also had an illegal firearm in concealed on himself, high on coke and drunk, in a residential neighbourhood, while his wife and kid slept in their home, then drove off after shooting this provider while drunk and high, fleeing the scene. This entire situation could have been much worse.

Our justice system is way too lenient, I fully agree with you.
There was a previous thread started where we discussed this case, obviously prior to this new development. I don’t think the justice system is “too lenient” as a rule. It’s too fucking blind and corrupt. The victim being a SW is paramount and unless there’s other dubious factors unknown, the sole reason for this sentence. It was clearly attempted murder by someone committing multiple offences and general awful behaviour. No jury would have come to this decision-I’m not a tinfoil hat guy but it doesn’t add up. Either there’s severe bias or something else is in play. As for the blood removal bill-I mentioned previously-the car company double dipped-they all do. They also filed an insurance claim and were likely reimbursed twice.
If a white college girl who met a guy on tinder in this situation was shot in the exact same manor without prejudice or influence, the perp would be charged and convicted with attempted murder, among the other lesser offences. He’d do 7-10.
 

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7k to get blood stains out of a rental car.
Can someone in the car detail industry comment. Seems very very high.

4 years sounds about right for the lefty/liberal West Coast.
 

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High on coke, with an illegal gun discharge. Im guessing he turned informant on some other pals.

They also never released his picture or classified him as a dangerous sex offender.
 
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You wanna get rid of handguns, if they are used in a crime automatic 10 years, no probation, no parole. Make them work on a chain gang breaking rocks. Fuck human rights for criminals.
Bring back corporal punishment for minor crimes and make them get whipped in public. Singapore does this and they have a very low crime rate.
 

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You wanna get rid of handguns, if they are used in a crime automatic 10 years, no probation, no parole. Make them work on a chain gang breaking rocks. Fuck human rights for criminals.
Bring back corporal punishment for minor crimes and make them get whipped in public. Singapore does this and they have a very low crime rate.
Corporal punishment seems great, since no one was ever wrongly convicted or even falsley accused and jailed in the history of Canada. /s

Agree with the minimum on the handgun, especially for the discharge and assault of someone fleeing. The whole thing doesn't really add up, i still think the judge is taking shit for a behind the scenes deal.
 
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Corporal punishment seems great, since no one was ever wrongly convicted or even falsley accused and jailed in the history of Canada. /s

Agree with the minimum on the handgun, especially for the discharge and assault of someone fleeing. The whole thing doesn't really add up, i still think the judge is taking shit for a behind the scenes deal.
Too many video cameras today so likely people will be caught. You let the little crimes off, then the bigger crimes, where does it end. If we have laws and people break them, then why have laws at all? Most people are law abiding citizens until they get violated, then they become the worst offenders.
Peoples crimes started off, when they were allowed to mouth off back to authority.... They took an inch and see where we are today, you can shoot someone and get off with light to no punishment. Don't get me started on young rich punks whose parents enable their kids.
 

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Too many video cameras today so likely people will be caught. You let the little crimes off, then the bigger crimes, where does it end. If we have laws and people break them, then why have laws at all? Most people are law abiding citizens until they get violated, then they become the worst offenders.
Peoples crimes started off, when they were allowed to mouth off back to authority.... They took an inch and see where we are today, you can shoot someone and get off with light to punishment. Don't get me started on young rich punks whose parents enable their kids.
Which authoritarians are the correct ones to be subservient to? Yours, mine, theirs? There are countries like Afghanistan where this is carried out, but they still break laws there.

I get that you see a general decline in effective parenting, but i think pop culture on tv/internet is a bit more to do with that. More and more sensational is what attracts eyeballs.

I dont think beating kids to traumatise them is the most effective thing either. Lack of engagement seems to be missing, but we'd need to re-strucutre society a great deal to have parents who wouldnt need to essentially both go to work all day.
 

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There was a previous thread started where we discussed this case, obviously prior to this new development. I don’t think the justice system is “too lenient” as a rule. It’s too fucking blind and corrupt. The victim being a SW is paramount and unless there’s other dubious factors unknown, the sole reason for this sentence. It was clearly attempted murder by someone committing multiple offences and general awful behaviour. No jury would have come to this decision-I’m not a tinfoil hat guy but it doesn’t add up. Either there’s severe bias or something else is in play. As for the blood removal bill-I mentioned previously-the car company double dipped-they all do. They also filed an insurance claim and were likely reimbursed twice.
If a white college girl who met a guy on tinder in this situation was shot in the exact same manor without prejudice or influence, the perp would be charged and convicted with attempted murder, among the other lesser offences. He’d do 7-10.
It really doesn’t add up, I agree. There are some good points in here you have brought up.
 
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Murder requires intent to kill, which can be very difficult to prove.
This incident should have brought several charges: careless use of firearm, possession of firearm for purpose, impaired driving and more.
Prosecutor and judge may both have been lazy or sexist.

This case deserves to be appealed.
 
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Murder requires intent to kill, which can be very difficult to prove.
This incident should have brought several charges: careless use of firearm, possession of firearm for purpose, impaired driving and more.
Prosecutor and judge may both have been lazy or sexist.

This case deserves to be appealed.
Agreed.
 

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He got 4 years for each sentence, to be served at the same time. I didn't even know that was a thing. What an odd loop hole for criminals.

In regards to his picture, it may not be published online but it definitely went around the whatsapp groups.
 
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