SP Couples?
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Gina Lee
I'm not sure if she still offeres it or not, but she used to post occasionally that she had a male friend she would entertain with.
I'm not sure if she still offeres it or not, but she used to post occasionally that she had a male friend she would entertain with.
Ummm Maybe
Maybe you can watch my wife and I - how much?
JUST KIDDING
SERIOUSLY THIS IS A JOKE!!!!
Maybe you can watch my wife and I - how much?
JUST KIDDING
SERIOUSLY THIS IS A JOKE!!!!
Well we have safe sex always and don't have a massive client base so how is our life different than some player and his slut girlfriend out there who have casual encounters every weekend?
You're saying because there's money exchanged, it makes a difference?
I don't see many casual swinging folks just opening up and telling of all their sluttin' and clubbing. That's why there is condom factory's. Nobody should trust that casual unknown partners are living a clean churchie lifestyle.
Do you tell every girl you get with (through paying, manipulation, lying and playing "the game")...do you tell them all that you frequent escorts?
I doubt it very much so mind your bizz.
You're saying because there's money exchanged, it makes a difference?
I don't see many casual swinging folks just opening up and telling of all their sluttin' and clubbing. That's why there is condom factory's. Nobody should trust that casual unknown partners are living a clean churchie lifestyle.
Do you tell every girl you get with (through paying, manipulation, lying and playing "the game")...do you tell them all that you frequent escorts?
I doubt it very much so mind your bizz.
I'd have to say "zing!" on that one. For what it is worth, never having met Dasha, I think Dasha and her partner would be a safer bet then some of the swingers I have known who sometimes tend to take safety for granted. There are risks in every encounter regardless of whether money has changed hands or not.
wow.
You don't know me...(I hope)lol, or how many escorts I have frequented.
I for one have been honest with my partners and I do not frequent them anymore beacause I have a g/f now and she certainly DOES know I have seen a few hookers in the past but we've both been tested now and that's that.
I wonder what the statictics are on swingers vs sps contracting sti's?.
We play on the cl casual encounters scene so this IS my business and man does your post scare me, I really hope you are not a couple that we have been with.
As a pro, you should also know that condoms are great, but they don't stop herpes, HPV or any number of sti's (obviously not saying you have any of these) and you ARE putting unsuspecting people at risk, you can't justify that by saying that it's their fault for being swingers.
get real.
please reconsider your current m.o. and for gods sakes take some responsibility for yourself.
You don't know me...(I hope)lol, or how many escorts I have frequented.
I for one have been honest with my partners and I do not frequent them anymore beacause I have a g/f now and she certainly DOES know I have seen a few hookers in the past but we've both been tested now and that's that.
I wonder what the statictics are on swingers vs sps contracting sti's?.
We play on the cl casual encounters scene so this IS my business and man does your post scare me, I really hope you are not a couple that we have been with.
As a pro, you should also know that condoms are great, but they don't stop herpes, HPV or any number of sti's (obviously not saying you have any of these) and you ARE putting unsuspecting people at risk, you can't justify that by saying that it's their fault for being swingers.
get real.
please reconsider your current m.o. and for gods sakes take some responsibility for yourself.
Dude, do you realize that it is actually safer to have protected sex with an SP than someone you meet in the bar? Not to mention unprotected sex. I am not advocating having unprotected sex with anyone, SP or not but you gotta think about it for a minute. Yes SPs have more partners, and many partners that they do not know but for that very reason they take a lot more precautions.
With the exception of drug addicted SWs, SPs take greater caution to keep themselves clean for the simple reason that it is in their best interest to be clean of STIs, or risk losing their livelihood if they aren't. They are more aware of STIs and the risk of HIV and they are more educted in knowing what to look for.
I don't think you can say the same for people in the swinging lifestyle who take their health for granted much more than SPs. I used to pick up the occasional girl at the bar and I usually didn't think much about using protection and generally neither did she. I never got anything special luckily but thinking back, I can't believe how stupid I was because now I realize that's where most of the STIs are. But I used to tell myself, "she's not a prostitute so what's the risk?" Funny how a certain way of thinking can be so off, even if it appears to make sense.
Panther
It took me a little while to find but I remember this ad from the GS
http://www.roxanneandrob.com/Home .html
Don't know anyone who has been with them...
Let us know how ti turns out.
Old Red
http://www.roxanneandrob.com/Home .html
Don't know anyone who has been with them...
Let us know how ti turns out.
Old Red
The hypocrisy in this sentence is staggering!! What makes you think your lifestyle is anymore safe then Dashas? The fact that you and your partner have sex with strangers for free?
Not that finding it in some book based on extensive research makes it more true or accurate and I don't agree with all of the following but it's worth reading to get a perspective from the other side, hopefully dispelling some common myths about the profession
From Brock, Deborah R., Making Work, Making Trouble: Prostitution as a Social Problem, Toronto. University of Toronto Press, 1998. pp. 86-9.
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In June 1988, Toronto Police Commission Chairperson June Rowlands advocated the the names of persons convicted on prostitution-related offences be published in the media. The threat of AIDS was stated as a reason for using this method to control prostitution. However, in a 1987 interview, Metro Police morality squad staff inspector Jim Clark had stated that virtually all of the prostitutes charged by Toronto police were carrying condoms when they were arrested.
Despite these scenerios, research available during this period failed to show a link between prostitution and HIV transmission. In June 1988, Vancouver's medical health officer, Dr. John Blatherwick said that only three of the city's prostitutes had tested HIV positive. As of November 1987, of the thirty-six women in Toronto who had tested HIV positive, five were prostitutes. However, four of the five also admitted to being intravenous drug users, a high risk category as a result of sharing and reusing infected needles. Finally, a study of 109 prostitutes in Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver, conducted by the federal government over a two-year period (January 1985-87) found that none had been exposed to the virus, although researchers had expected that 3 per cent would have antibodies in their blood. Since HIV can be transmitted through sexual contact, we can also look at studies of prostitution and STDs for information on transmission patterns. A 1984 study of prostitution and STDs, commissioned by the Department of Justice for the Fraser Committee, concluded that prostitutes do not make a significant contribution to the spread of STDs, and 'in focussing upon the prostitute we try to find an easy solution to a complex problem.'
Prostitutes who do contract a venereal disease (or become pregnant) are far more likely to acquire it from a lover. (How many heterosexual non-prostitute women use condoms regulary with their lovers for STD preventions?) Similarly, it appears that prostitutes who do contract the virus are most likely to have contracted it through intravenous drug use. In either case, their regular use of condoms with customers means that prostitutes who do become infected are unlikely to pass it on to them. Danny Cockerline of CORP stated that most people who acquire STDs or AIDS are 'getting it for free.' Prostitute activists challenged the widespread misinformation about the profession, a demanding task given the common belief that prostitution spreads sexually transmitted diseases. They insisted that information about HIV and STDs should be available to prostitutes, provided by peers in a language and context reflecting experiences of their profession. In Toronto, this resulted in the creation of the Prostitutes' Safe Sex Project (PSSP). They asserted that by blaming prostitutes for the transmission of HIV among the heterosexual population, 'squares' forget that they are working women and men who attempt to maintain as much control over their working conditions, including hygiene, as possible. Those outside of the business ignore the fact that prostitutes don't want to contract an STD or HIV. The perception that promiscuity spreads disease emphasizes the number of sexual contacts rather than the type of sexual act and the safety precautions used. Alexandra Highcrest (a prostitute, then a journalist, and member of CORP) issued a statement in 1990 worth quoting at some length:
"Most of us can blow a safe onto a cock so smoothly, so easily, that half the time the cock's owner doesn't even know that his manhood's been sheathed in latex. We can talk frankly about sex, all kinds of sex, openly and honestly without getting red in the face, and the majority of the things we talk about, we've done. Over the years we've had hundreds of sexual encounters; collectively we've had thousands. We make a few bucks doing this but it's necessarily our only source of income...
Back in '86 whores were getting all kinds of bad press. We were blamed for spreading AIDS, to the heterosexual community, depite the fact that not a single Canadian has gotten AIDS from a prostitute...Cops used this false blame as an excuse to harass and bust us, claiming that they had to stop the spread of HIV/ AIDS. Mainstream social agencies jumped into the fray saying, 'We can save these prostitutes and halt the spread of the disease if you give us more money.' Enough already! We are quite capable of 'saving' ourselves and we are fed up with the bad press and bad laws. Prostitutes were, and are, safe sex professionals and it's time that pros got credit for being what they are, front line workers in the struggle against AIDS.
The sex trade industry is, for many, a transient occupation. New people enter the business, older pros leave. When PSSP meets a new pro, we quickly bring him or her up to speed in regards to safe sex practices. And safe sex doesn't just mean preventing the transmission of STDs. For a prostitute it also entails working without getting busted, harassed, ripped off, or assaulted. These are some of the possible realities of our work."
...Therefore, by developing a positive focus on education and prevention, rather than searching for villains and creating scapegoats, we can stem the rate of transmission.
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From Brock, Deborah R., Making Work, Making Trouble: Prostitution as a Social Problem, Toronto. University of Toronto Press, 1998. pp. 86-9.
***************************
In June 1988, Toronto Police Commission Chairperson June Rowlands advocated the the names of persons convicted on prostitution-related offences be published in the media. The threat of AIDS was stated as a reason for using this method to control prostitution. However, in a 1987 interview, Metro Police morality squad staff inspector Jim Clark had stated that virtually all of the prostitutes charged by Toronto police were carrying condoms when they were arrested.
Despite these scenerios, research available during this period failed to show a link between prostitution and HIV transmission. In June 1988, Vancouver's medical health officer, Dr. John Blatherwick said that only three of the city's prostitutes had tested HIV positive. As of November 1987, of the thirty-six women in Toronto who had tested HIV positive, five were prostitutes. However, four of the five also admitted to being intravenous drug users, a high risk category as a result of sharing and reusing infected needles. Finally, a study of 109 prostitutes in Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver, conducted by the federal government over a two-year period (January 1985-87) found that none had been exposed to the virus, although researchers had expected that 3 per cent would have antibodies in their blood. Since HIV can be transmitted through sexual contact, we can also look at studies of prostitution and STDs for information on transmission patterns. A 1984 study of prostitution and STDs, commissioned by the Department of Justice for the Fraser Committee, concluded that prostitutes do not make a significant contribution to the spread of STDs, and 'in focussing upon the prostitute we try to find an easy solution to a complex problem.'
Prostitutes who do contract a venereal disease (or become pregnant) are far more likely to acquire it from a lover. (How many heterosexual non-prostitute women use condoms regulary with their lovers for STD preventions?) Similarly, it appears that prostitutes who do contract the virus are most likely to have contracted it through intravenous drug use. In either case, their regular use of condoms with customers means that prostitutes who do become infected are unlikely to pass it on to them. Danny Cockerline of CORP stated that most people who acquire STDs or AIDS are 'getting it for free.' Prostitute activists challenged the widespread misinformation about the profession, a demanding task given the common belief that prostitution spreads sexually transmitted diseases. They insisted that information about HIV and STDs should be available to prostitutes, provided by peers in a language and context reflecting experiences of their profession. In Toronto, this resulted in the creation of the Prostitutes' Safe Sex Project (PSSP). They asserted that by blaming prostitutes for the transmission of HIV among the heterosexual population, 'squares' forget that they are working women and men who attempt to maintain as much control over their working conditions, including hygiene, as possible. Those outside of the business ignore the fact that prostitutes don't want to contract an STD or HIV. The perception that promiscuity spreads disease emphasizes the number of sexual contacts rather than the type of sexual act and the safety precautions used. Alexandra Highcrest (a prostitute, then a journalist, and member of CORP) issued a statement in 1990 worth quoting at some length:
"Most of us can blow a safe onto a cock so smoothly, so easily, that half the time the cock's owner doesn't even know that his manhood's been sheathed in latex. We can talk frankly about sex, all kinds of sex, openly and honestly without getting red in the face, and the majority of the things we talk about, we've done. Over the years we've had hundreds of sexual encounters; collectively we've had thousands. We make a few bucks doing this but it's necessarily our only source of income...
Back in '86 whores were getting all kinds of bad press. We were blamed for spreading AIDS, to the heterosexual community, depite the fact that not a single Canadian has gotten AIDS from a prostitute...Cops used this false blame as an excuse to harass and bust us, claiming that they had to stop the spread of HIV/ AIDS. Mainstream social agencies jumped into the fray saying, 'We can save these prostitutes and halt the spread of the disease if you give us more money.' Enough already! We are quite capable of 'saving' ourselves and we are fed up with the bad press and bad laws. Prostitutes were, and are, safe sex professionals and it's time that pros got credit for being what they are, front line workers in the struggle against AIDS.
The sex trade industry is, for many, a transient occupation. New people enter the business, older pros leave. When PSSP meets a new pro, we quickly bring him or her up to speed in regards to safe sex practices. And safe sex doesn't just mean preventing the transmission of STDs. For a prostitute it also entails working without getting busted, harassed, ripped off, or assaulted. These are some of the possible realities of our work."
...Therefore, by developing a positive focus on education and prevention, rather than searching for villains and creating scapegoats, we can stem the rate of transmission.
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Roxanne & Rob would be like watching my grandparents fuck. Good for them still having such a adventerous sex life. Why is it swingers and couples to watch are always so damn ugly.
I've spent an evening with this couple - about two years ago. Very intelligent, genuinely bi couple. Service level was excellent. Both went out of their way to please me. Really was worth the time and money. Thanks for reminding me about them - I really must pay a return visit!
This statement is obviously from someone who has never been to a swingers club, but feels they can pass judgement on the ugliness of people there.
HAhAHAHAHA..
I would sure like to see the official stats on that. sps vs swingers. ahahahaha.
you're basing your opinion on what? your own experience swinging? Just because you play stupid doesn;t mean everyone elso does.
where do you get this stuff, "she's not a prostitute so what's the risk"??? are you kidding me?...I guess that was inthe 70's or something because I don't know ANYONE who plays randomly and unprotected.
way to reference a book that only backs you up in the slimmest of ways.
I could take everything you typed, change a couple words aqnd have the exact same argument for the other side...
come on.
if you are a hooker and you are fucking people who do not know, you are putting them at more risk than they are anticipating. period.
What you see on ShowCase's Friday's Without Borders isn't how swingers clubs are. There are some damn fine looking people in some swingers clubs. Some who you look at and think "Holy shit you should be a model." It just depends on the clubs you go to. Like anything, there are really good clubs, and slum clubs.
There are lots more books that pretty much say the same thing. But I don't think you get it.
SP has job. Job is to give head and a lay. SP uses condom. If condom is not used, SP could lose her job and her livelihood, therefore SP uses condom to keep her livelihood.
By your post, I take it you think it is safer to have sex with some slut you picked up at the bar? Not only is that scary it's unbelieveably ignorant.
If you believe that prostitutes are spreading diseases, and are paranoid of said diseases, what the fuck are you doing in an SP forum!??! Go troll somewhere else! Begone, little man!
Panther
SP has job. Job is to give head and a lay. SP uses condom. If condom is not used, SP could lose her job and her livelihood, therefore SP uses condom to keep her livelihood.
By your post, I take it you think it is safer to have sex with some slut you picked up at the bar? Not only is that scary it's unbelieveably ignorant.
If you believe that prostitutes are spreading diseases, and are paranoid of said diseases, what the fuck are you doing in an SP forum!??! Go troll somewhere else! Begone, little man!
Panther
