Social Justice warriors win again.....fuck I am sick of political correctness

[clu]

Even if 98% of a group isn't offended, do we cater to the 2% that is, or tell them to suck it up?

By that argument you'd tell any minority who had a problem to suck it up no matter what it is. That doesn't sound right.

If the 98%'s only problem is not understanding what the big deal is, then why not cater? If it's something more contentious then there'd have to be a conversation.

For me it goes too far when the attempt to appease a fringe interest impedes a more practical interest, like when someone wants a history class to skip content because of trigger warnings. The point of history class is to learn the raw truth, not just what we want to hear.

For the original story in this thread, the only people whose interest could be practically impeded by the request didn't mind. So case closed.

 

[Damaged]

...I'm still not sure why it bothers people to be asked NOT to use a word. Is respecting others really that hard?...

Why not show some respect and let others use the words they choose? You are not being forced to listen to them. Respect is a two way street.

...The person said something and the organisers said "ok"...

Actually the organizers didn't say "ok". They were asked last year to change the name and didn't, I would guess because they didn't feel it necessary and most likely ridiculous. Sounds like the campaign from a few stepped it up and as a smart business man he caved this year but the name change won't happen until next year.

Using your logic so many things could be changed because Hey, someone is offended, so no big deal, just accommodate them and make the change.
If Native Indians said the word Canada if offensive would you be ok with changing the name? AKA the Queen Charlotte Islands becoming Haidi Gwaii

 

[Damaged]

By that argument you'd tell any minority who had a problem to suck it up no matter what it is. That doesn't sound right...

So the majority should suck it up for the minority? That doesn't sounds right either.

 

[clu]

So the majority should suck it up for the minority? That doesn't sounds right either.

You cut out the very next sentence in the quote that says I obviously don't believe that either. That it depends on context.

 

[uncleg]

Give the Social Justice Warriors the time and those words and phrases will be unacceptable and helped by the leftist media.At the same time this mantra is being brainwashed into kids via the education system.I have to go to the dentist on Saturday and I know I will see a plethora of Macleans magazines for my reading pleasure(which I will of course ignore) back when I was a kid when I went to the dentist what was on offer for reading material was "Bedtime Stories by Chester A Arthur" which was a pretty big collection of hard cover books that espoused good christian values.Cant have ANYTHING like that now....having a publication like that NOW in a dentists waiting room would result in the office being picketed for being racist or in the current PC terms being an "Islamaphobist dentist" and that is about as ridiculous as the Seinfeld episode where Jerry is labelled as an "anti dentite".

I guess my point is that these microscopic special interest groups get far too much of a voice and the leftist media chime right in and amplify it.Give them an inch and they take a mile is a good comparison for what is going on these days.

I myself am sick to death of it.When I was a kid the most common insult was to call someone a "fag".If after school you were playing marbles with a few friends and one of them won your best crystal boulder you called him a "fag".You and a your best friend are biking around and stop in the corner store to buy a popsicle and you shove him out of the way and dig first and score the only one that is rootbeer flavour and he gives you a punch in the arm and says "fag"....which of course meant nothing....it was just a harmless nothing meaning insult.Try that today and your instantly labelled as an intolerant homophobe who should be persecuted.

Political Correctness has just plain gone off the fucking tracks and it is a train wreck that is making our society SUCK in general.

Just my .02

SR

....yup, and I remember when, "going out for a fag" meant going for a smoke, a cigarette that is....not some guys dick.

 

[clu]

....yup, and I remember when, "going out for a fag" meant going for a smoke, a cigarette that is....not some guys dick.

Trivia: the word has dual meaning because its original meaning was bundle of sticks. Not hard to see how that came to mean cigarette too. But it also colloquially came to mean someone not up for hard labour (not a "man's man") in the context "you're as useless as a bundle of sticks" then morphed to mean effeminate in a broader sense. Both these definitions are older than anyone alive though, so while you might not be aware of it, there's no one here who would remember a time before it.

Anyway words change all the same. And sensibilities change. The best thing to do is keep an open mind to both sides and at least try to see it from their perspectives. If you all have a more substantial argument why the change shouldn't be tolerated, I'd love to hear it. ("But it didn't bother me," misses the point. They aren't changing it for you. So if it makes someone else's life a little more pleasant and doesn't interfere with yours, I'm still trying to understand what the problem is. It's only when the act of accommodating creates a new problem that there seems to be anything worth objecting to.)

And yet, knee jerk reactions happen on both sides of the argument, and those who get offended that others are accommodating these sensitivities don't sound any more thick skinned than the ones they're complaining about.

 

[KingofClubs]

Excuse me, I don't mean to interrupt, but could somebody please tell me why Goldhunter was voted off the island??

#pleasebringperbatoryback

I've been away all week so I am unable to answer your question, Miss Hunter. But I am disappointed to see he has been banned. I enjoyed reading his posts. I hope he's not gone permanently.

 

[MRGREEN]

Outrage is the new black, no one can just let stuff slide any more on either side of an argument. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf.......... one day there might be something to be truly outraged about and no one will be listening.

MG

 

[Mr Quim]

Excuse me, I don't mean to interrupt, but could somebody please tell me why Goldhunter was voted off the island??

#pleasebringperbatoryback

That's a great question Miss Hunter !

I'd be very curious myself ?

Hopefully, It's just a Time-Out for bad behavior, like someone else recently received ?

If the Island becomes too sterilized, the Entertainment might become quite Bland ?
Sort of Vanilla, if You know what I mean ?

Cheers

P.S. Sorry to Sidetrack your Thread SR, good Post !
Very interesting Topic, with some even more interesting perspectives !

 

[storm rider]

That's a great question Miss Hunter !

I'd be very curious myself ?

Hopefully, It's just a Time-Out for bad behavior, like someone else recently received ?

If the Island becomes too sterilized, the Entertainment might become quite Bland ?
Sort of Vanilla, if You know what I mean ?

Cheers

P.S. Sorry to Sidetrack your Thread SR, good Post !
Very interesting Topic, with some even more interesting perspectives !

Not worried or resentfull about the side track and I thank you for the words of encouragement sir.

 

[almost_anonymous]

But is it offensive? And if so, who would be offended by it?

The phrase described a strategy employed to defend against attacks by First Nations people, I don't understand how a First Nations person could be offended by it - it exists solely due to the necessity of someone's need to protect themselves by violence inflicted by First Nations people.

Is it actually offensive, or does the opposition stem from the discomfort of ones own history possibly casting their people in a less than positive manner, in a way that might undermine current political objectives? Can other Canadians take offence to terms like colonisation on the same basis?

This type of rampant pc-ism seems wrong to me (and dangerous) - the reality is at the time the phrase originated First Nations people were capable of and imposed violence on settlers (Before anyone misses the point, settlers were far more violent towards First Nations people - this should never be denied but is not the point here). It happened. To suppress the phrase would serve to suppress that legacy. All peoples must own their collective history, good and bad, and it's not appropriate to allow a people to control how their history is characterized, particularly if it diminishes their own accountability (we should not be permitted to avoid or dimish our accountability either for our treatment if First Nations people).

Beyond that the phrase itself has evolved such that its connection to its factual origins is so generalized most don't know the origin. I'm sure most would explain it simply as a idoim for defence or regrouping.

 

[rlock]

I'm sure other people saw the news story of the Star Trek fan whose Borg-inspired license plate got banned because it said "ASIMIL8". So, now the word "assimiliate" is forbidden, never mind the context. :loco:

For some, being outraged is not a fad, it's a lucrative profession - the basis of their whole career.

Too bad people are told to spend all their time being outraged about all the trivial shit they can find, instead of the important stuff that's gradually killing everyone.