So much for ersbook...

[charles]

I've used erslist before and liked their service. I saw they have this new ersbook site up, sorta like facebook for the "hobby". I signed up tonight and was banned within two hours.

The only thing I did was leave two comments on two girl's profiles, pointing out their fake pics. I actually had one SP with real pics msg me privately to thank me for pointing out the fakes. Less than half an hour later, I was banned.

Well, I guess I don't get to join the party. It's a good thing I can still browse the ads anonymously.

Word to the wise, don't mess with the ads with fake pics!

 

[charles]

That is exactly what I used to determine the fake pics.

TinEye is the pooners friend. http://www.tineye.com/ not only does it tell you if the picture is really of a starlet or porn star, it tells you if the picture has been used for years.

The business model for any of the advertising sites doesn't include allowing attacks on their advertisers. So, posting about fake pictures or bad service is always going to result in a ban. It's just the way it is.

 

[erslist]

Charles,
I messaged you regarding this matter. Your account is un-banned but please refrain from attacking the advertisers.
We understand the issue of fake pictures and that is why we created ERS Verified to promote the use of real pictures. Unfortunately at this moment fake pictures are just apart of the system of all classified lists.
Best Regards,
Nik
Erslist.com

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Charles,
I messaged you regarding this matter. Your account is un-banned but please refrain from attacking the advertisers.
We understand the issue of fake pictures and that is why we created ERS Verified to promote the use of real pictures. Unfortunately at this moment fake pictures are just apart of the system of all classified lists.
Best Regards,
Nik
Erslist.com

charley old boy, i should think this would be an appropriate time to say, 'erslist, FUCK you and FUCK the horse you rode in on....'

 

[Unpossible]

Charles,
I messaged you regarding this matter. Your account is un-banned but please refrain from attacking the advertisers.
We understand the issue of fake pictures and that is why we created ERS Verified to promote the use of real pictures. Unfortunately at this moment fake pictures are just apart of the system of all classified lists.
Best Regards,
Nik
Erslist.com

Why was he banned?

please refrain from attacking the advertisers.

LOL! Now I understand.

 

[Unpossible]

Charles,
I messaged you regarding this matter.

Maybe he couldn't read it because you banned him.

Your account is un-banned but please refrain from attacking the advertisers.

How ethical of you. Protect the advertisers using fake picture on your site and ban people who point them out. When they complain on a site that isn't yours extend the olive branch.

Unfortunately at this moment fake pictures are just apart of the system of all classified lists.

They are not just "a part of the system". You have the capabilities of suspending their accounts. Rather then do that you ban people who point them out.

 

[erslist]

Maybe he couldn't read it because you banned him.



How ethical of you. Protect the advertisers using fake picture on your site and ban people who point them out. When they complain on a site that isn't yours extend the olive branch.


They are not just "a part of the system". You have the capabilities of suspending their accounts. Rather then do that you ban people who point them out.

We are not a review board, Nor do be plan to be a review board.
No reviews of any kind are allowed on our website and members breaking those rules will be suspended and/or banned.

It has taken Perb years to create a system where users reputations have been established enough for others to respect and value their reviews. It is best all reviews are kept here.

Those are our rules.

 

[charles]

Wow, I just read these replies after reading the private message that erslist sent me.

I'm definitely getting mixed signals here. Privately, he was much more conciliatory but here I'm accused of "attacking" advertisers. The only "attack" I did was leave a comment on an advertiser saying "Stop using fake pics" and then leaving a link to the pic she used that was uncropped and unblurred. I did the same to one more ad before I was banned.

I must mention again, that before I was banned, an actual reputable SP sent me an instant chat thanking me for doing what I did. At least there was one person who appreciated my efforts.

I gotta ask, what's wrong with pointing out fake pics? What's the point of having the ersbook community if we can't have discussions like that?

Just be real up front with the rest of us here, are you saying you'll always be on the side of advertisers than us clients? And Unpossible is right, you can ban them or least warn them. Instead, the same girl posted again with the same pics and I was banned instead.

 

[erslist]

We are a LIST not a REVIEW BOARD. Your account was banned for less than 24hours and you have been un-banned already.

You joined ERSBook and within 1 hour you went to 2 different SP's pages and pointed out their fake pictures. The entire point of ERSVerified is to set apart the real vs fake SP's , and Perb is here to further that process and review each SPS services etc. You took the administration of ERSList into your own hands within 1 hour of joining.

Even though what you did was helpful that is not the way we are going to be dealing with Fake Pictures.

Lists are where ALL SPs usually start. The better sps/veterans usually then get listed on review boards and then various other directories such as Local Escorts.
ERSList is a place for SPs AND Clients to connect and chat in a fun and safe environment. If a client gets attacked on ERSList we will handle that situation just the same.
Lists are where all new SPs start off and targeting them is not my websites intention. We will continue to promote the use of real pictures through our own methods.

Your reviews are always welcome but should be kept on the REVIEW Boards.

The big pictures is, our admins were wrong to ban you for such an act and I corrected that immediately. However, these are our rules - please respect them.

I apologize for the inconvenience caused and I look forward to all feedback as we try and better our site.

Nik
Erslist.com

 

[erslist]

Maybe he couldn't read it because you banned him.

After he messaged me on perb I responded to him here.

How ethical of you. Protect the advertisers using fake picture on your site and ban people who point them out.

If an SP posted your phone number and/or address I would protect you just the same.
Ads is what generates business for SPs and I am not going to prevent them from making money unless they are robbing the clients and/or a danger to others.

When they complain on a site that isn't yours extend the olive branch.

PERB is a review board and is the place where discussions such as these occur on a daily basis.

They are not just "a part of the system". You have the capabilities of suspending their accounts. Rather then do that you ban people who point them out.

If I did that all these SPs would move along to another site as the industry is still made up of lots of SPs whom use fake pictures. Our method of dealing with this is ERS Verified. If you just want a list of 50-100 SP's then PERB,EROS,Localescorts are all great sites. The thing about Classified Lists are they include the entire industry both good and bad. That is where clients can find almost everyone. I already have stressed we are the only listing classified site in BC that promotes the SPS to get verified to help you clients know who is real and who isn't.

 

[Moderator-1]

OK guys (and gals).... please settle down.
We will allow discussion of other boards and encourage members to dialogue with erslist.
We won't allow any bashing.

Keep it up.. or keep mouthing off and watch how quickly you'll lose Perb review privileges too!

 

[cheesyname]

how do i become verified on erslist?

 

[erslist]

how do i become verified on erslist?

I have verified your account. Just log into your account and it will be updated and ready to use.

PS. Regarding your post on perb: https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...all-the-work&p=1168852&highlight=#post1168852

You listed your website without the "e" in escort, so the link to your website doesn`t work.

 

[hedgeman]

If an SP posted your phone number and/or address I would protect you just the same.
Ads is what generates business for SPs and I am not going to prevent them from making money unless they are robbing the clients and/or a danger to others.

But yet THIS whole crew is using your site https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?122640-Bait-and-Switch-Champions Along with that Kimberley girl that is a notorious ripoff who still continues to post daily on your site as well.....

 

[Cock Throppled]

Every site has rules they ask people to follow or you're out.

Perb has a policy of not allowing phone numbers of non-advertisers, so I don't see why so many have their shorts in a twist over erslist policy. They are new, and seem to be working to get more accountability from sp's re pics.

Re fake pics- annoying, yes but a phone call can usually sort things out. And if more guys walked when they arrived and saw a different girl it would stop it real quick, but too many think with their small head.

 

[Pillowtalk]

An advertising site, particularly a free one, isn't the ad police. If someone uses fake pics, report them and if the site admin agrees the ad will likely be pulled. I doubt very much if any site, paid or free, can really control that. Some sites aren't going to take the word of some dude named chuck posting about it, or even reporting it, the whole thing is open to false reports and deceitful claims anyway.

I wouldn't say that it is the responsibility of the site admin to police this, but they can add a clause in there that the poster is verifying that they own the rights to the pictures used, and that it is a violation of their terms of use if the advertiser can be proven to be using someone else's pictures in the ads. It isn't legal to use someone else's copyright protected pictures, and if the site includes that into their TOU then they can justifiably control the ads that way.

I think erslist has come up with a pretty good compromise, by giving sps the option to have their pictures verified in some way, so the ads show that.

It wasn't that long ago an advertiser on this site was revealed to be using fake pics, so it isn't exclusive to free sites or paid sites, for whatever that's worth.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Some sites aren't going to take the word of some dude named chuck posting about it, or even reporting it, the whole thing is open to false reports and deceitful claims anyway.

TinEye is the pooners friend. http://www.tineye.com/ not only does it tell you if the picture is really of a starlet or porn star, it tells you if the picture has been used for years.

That is exactly what I used to determine the fake pics.

pillow, what you have to say in the rest of your post has merit, but regarding charles' actions, it wasn't just the word of some guy named charles that was reported in this case. tineye is the only free tool that i know of that allows the pooner to save the time he would ordinarily have wasted going to a place to find out that the woman was not the person advertised as being available. surely erslist can respect the pooners time and ban any ads that clearly use pictures that tineye can find

charles should have been thanked for turning up a fraudulent ad, warned about posting accusations publicly on the sp's page, and the offending sp/agency/advertiser bounced off erslist for a certain period until they learned not to post fraudulent ads

erslist bleats about losing ad revenue - but they lose sight of who it is that ultimately makes that revenue available for the advertisers to pay their erslist bill - the pooners

now that erslist has established itself as (probably) the leader of the local listing boards, they should embark on a campaign to clean up those fraudulent ads - i'll bet they would have it cleaned up in less than a month and their revenue would return to normal as well

i also believe that the present compromise is ok, but i would take it one step further and put the verified ads on a separate page, so the reader could quickly go to the verified area and find those advertisers immediately, leaving the fraudsters to a free-for-all elsewhere on the site where the reader would enter at their own risk

 

[Pillowtalk]

The problem is that not advertizing in every available venue also makes it difficult to find you. If a guy is feeling lonely/horny and googles "hot looking SPs", what is at the top of the page may very well be ersbook and not perb.

Its pretty selfdefeating to not use a site that is clearly being used by the majority of potential clients. I also tend to frown upon the implication that sites are inherently evil or good. They are simply advertising sites. People can claim they are bad or good, for whatever that is supposed to mean, but like they did with CL, the site itself isn't at fault for what the advertiser posts.

 

[Pillowtalk]

pillow, what you have to say in the rest of your post has merit, but regarding charles' actions, it wasn't just the word of some guy named charles that was reported in this case. tineye is the only free tool that i know of that allows the pooner to save the time he would ordinarily have wasted going to a place to find out that the woman was not the person advertised as being available. surely erslist can respect the pooners time and ban any ads that clearly use pictures that tineye can find

charles should have been thanked for turning up a fraudulent ad, warned about posting accusations publicly on the sp's page, and the offending sp/agency/advertiser bounced off erslist for a certain period until they learned not to post fraudulent ads

erslist bleats about losing ad revenue - but they lose sight of who it is that ultimately makes that revenue available for the advertisers to pay their erslist bill - the pooners

now that erslist has established itself as (probably) the leader of the local listing boards, they should embark on a campaign to clean up those fraudulent ads - i'll bet they would have it cleaned up in less than a month and their revenue would return to normal as well

i also believe that the present compromise is ok, but i would take it one step further and put the verified ads on a separate page, so the reader could quickly go to the verified area and find those advertisers immediately, leaving the fraudsters to a free-for-all elsewhere on the site where the reader would enter at their own risk

And if you allow chuck to post whatever he feels like, proven or not, what is to stop any one else from posting whatever they want to post in order to try to discredit a perfectly reputable advertiser? You have to adminster even handedly. It is posts such as the one charles put into someone's advertising that is the problem on sites without moderation. It is allowing that kind of free for all which will give it a bad name, and keep the verified and reputable advertisers off of it, not the presence of advertisers using fake pics.

When they see someone trolling around the site, chances are they don't want the same kind of comments posted by a disgruntled potential client they turned down, or a neighbourhood trollish sp doing the same thing. You can't say it is a good thing if it opens up to trash.

And the OP had and has an alternative to report the ad, provide the proof. In the first case, they simply posted a crappy comment, without providing any proof at all, and figured they should be allowed to do so. In what world do you live in that it is OK to post crap comments into advertisements? Would you pay for that? Post a list of fake pic advertisers in the Georgia straight, back page, DL, Buy and sell, and any other site that requires payment? Or is this limited only to sites that provide free advertising? Because the same thing happens on the paid advertising places, so why not put your money where your loud mouth is and pay to "report" or "warn" the general population.

Because the advertisers, on most of the sites, certainly pay to be there.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

True. I didn't realize that advertising on the site was free when I wrote that.
Seems strange that a site would protect advertisers who are using fake pics if they aren't paid advertisers though?!

+1...

yeah, funny thing that