about the analogy abiut Hiv and smoking its alot stronger than you would like to think. There are more people in this world HIV positive then people that will die of smoking, in your words its about health and they both kill ya. But then again your born to die anyway
Smokers vs Non-smokers
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Smoking is not just your right - it affects many around you
Dittman:
Smokers always make this claim "You take away my rights by claiming yours" like you have done with BigMoe. That is same argument the NRA use.
Go watch "Bowling for Columbine". It sounds like it would do you a world of good.
Howie
Dittman:
Smokers always make this claim "You take away my rights by claiming yours" like you have done with BigMoe. That is same argument the NRA use.
Go watch "Bowling for Columbine". It sounds like it would do you a world of good.
Howie
sorry micheal moore is a feel good liberal, all bitching but no solutions, oh by the way i think they should have gun control, not being a constitutional lawyer and every thing but it does say a well maintained militia and i just dont see it where it says every tom dick and harry can own a gun.
Learn smoking on the job.
Michael Moore is surprisingly a longtime NRA member, even a shooting instructor. Most people aren't worried about the hunting rifles, its those nasty handguns.
Back to the thread.
I was just wondering if non-smokers become smokers, after they start becoming SPs? Too bad Pandora isn't around to answer.
Michael Moore is surprisingly a longtime NRA member, even a shooting instructor. Most people aren't worried about the hunting rifles, its those nasty handguns.
Back to the thread.
I was just wondering if non-smokers become smokers, after they start becoming SPs? Too bad Pandora isn't around to answer.
You don't have the right to endanger the lives of others. By smoking in a public place you are increasing the risk of cancer to all the non-smokers around. I've already survived one bout with cancer and I don't want to go through it again because someone like you thinks its your right to expose me to your toxins.dittman said:
I suppose you also think its an infringement on your rights that its illegal for you to drink and drive. Boy talk about an injustice, people thinking they have a right to drive on the road without being killed by a drunk driver.
Laws against prostitution are completely different. If I chose to go see an escort, mpa, etc. how does that affect you or endanger your health and well-being?
youre right one is legal and one is not. You all want to take away my rights but start taking away your percieved rights and you all start whine like the big dog.
You assume to much, I am a non drinker, I personally beleave that if a drunk driver kills someone on the highway and survives he should be tried for aggravated first degree murder, which is punishable by either life imprisonment without the possibility of parole or the death penalty. Feel the same way about drug dealers to.
You assume to much, I am a non drinker, I personally beleave that if a drunk driver kills someone on the highway and survives he should be tried for aggravated first degree murder, which is punishable by either life imprisonment without the possibility of parole or the death penalty. Feel the same way about drug dealers to.
but back to the smoking thing it would be ok with me if they made it illegal(make it easier for me to quit)but they wont, and that is because of one word and it says it all-----money. If they were to make all tabacco products illegal, there would be such a drain on the national treasuries that they would have no other options but to raise taxes, and who you ask would get there taxes raised, but you and i, but not by a little bit but by a whole bunch, then people that wanted the tabacco banned would start whining to bring it back.
So your taxes would be lowered to pre bannishment levels.
So your taxes would be lowered to pre bannishment levels.
Smoking Illegal
Originally posted by Dittman
"youre right one is legal and one is not. You all want to take away my rights but start taking away your percieved rights and you all start whine like the big dog. "
I wasn't arguing that smoking should be illegal and I don't think that anyone else was. If you choose to smoke in your own home, car, outside I fully support your right to do so. What I'm arguing against is your right to subject me to your second hand smoke when I'm out in public. In fact I think that the amount of taxes they place on cigs is unethical. I also think two consenting adults should be able to work out a business arrangement for sex in private without interfence by politicians or the police.
Politicians seem to use these sin taxes to impose their own morality on people without actually making something illegal. Smokings bad lets tax the hell out of it, Alcohol lets do the same thing, prostitution lets charge exhorbinant licencing fees to massage parlour, escort agencies, or in Edmonton escorts, etc.
By the way dittman if you are refering to prostitution being the illegal activity, here in Canada it isn't. Soliciting in public and running a bawdy house are but prostitution itself isn't. Thats why in Grannyknowsbest example of Edmontons police tactics they had to lure the escorts out into public in order to arrest them. I agree Granny this was a real gestapo tactic by the police.
Originally posted by Dittman
"youre right one is legal and one is not. You all want to take away my rights but start taking away your percieved rights and you all start whine like the big dog. "
I wasn't arguing that smoking should be illegal and I don't think that anyone else was. If you choose to smoke in your own home, car, outside I fully support your right to do so. What I'm arguing against is your right to subject me to your second hand smoke when I'm out in public. In fact I think that the amount of taxes they place on cigs is unethical. I also think two consenting adults should be able to work out a business arrangement for sex in private without interfence by politicians or the police.
Politicians seem to use these sin taxes to impose their own morality on people without actually making something illegal. Smokings bad lets tax the hell out of it, Alcohol lets do the same thing, prostitution lets charge exhorbinant licencing fees to massage parlour, escort agencies, or in Edmonton escorts, etc.
By the way dittman if you are refering to prostitution being the illegal activity, here in Canada it isn't. Soliciting in public and running a bawdy house are but prostitution itself isn't. Thats why in Grannyknowsbest example of Edmontons police tactics they had to lure the escorts out into public in order to arrest them. I agree Granny this was a real gestapo tactic by the police.
thats the trip I dont smoke in my own house, if i wan a cig. I step outside to smoke. But each country has it s own ridicoulous and pathetic laws and the politicians are going to use them to there advantage, what you have to do is find ways around them so in your mind you have a better quality of life.
I smoke. I won't smoke around non-smokers, in restaurants, or even in my own car if there's someone who doesn't smoke. When I'm going to see an SP, I make sure not to smoke after brushing teeth, having shower etc, if I'm not positive they smoke too and don't mind the smell etc.
That being said, I have to say that a lot of the non-smoking vs. pro-smoking debate is political in nature only. If they were worried about 2nd hand smoke causing health problems, they'd also ban fossil fuels, most industrial practices, and so on.
Since it's also something many people have strong feelings about (although I've noticed it's mainly the non-smokers that go on a "my way is right," Jihad) you're better off to just agree to disagree, and respect each others' opinions. We won't solve the world's problems here, so lets talk about pooning.
That being said, I have to say that a lot of the non-smoking vs. pro-smoking debate is political in nature only. If they were worried about 2nd hand smoke causing health problems, they'd also ban fossil fuels, most industrial practices, and so on.
Since it's also something many people have strong feelings about (although I've noticed it's mainly the non-smokers that go on a "my way is right," Jihad) you're better off to just agree to disagree, and respect each others' opinions. We won't solve the world's problems here, so lets talk about pooning.
a while back I mused "ah... if just for one day I could wave a wand and change the world"... where upon a wise friend said "ah... if only for one day, we could eradicate government so the people could choose for themselves".
what's with that no taxes for SPs and Indians? Only people on reserve don't pay taxes.. that leaves lots of Indians that do pay taxes. And likewise, any SP that wants things that you want (credit, mortgage) must pay taxes. What do you think? We just go and pay a blob of cash for cars and homes?
moreover.. you underestimate the power of the people by saying you would have anarchy and you seem unaware just how far this government is going to shove your rights aside in favor of the holier-than-thou groups.
moreover.. you underestimate the power of the people by saying you would have anarchy and you seem unaware just how far this government is going to shove your rights aside in favor of the holier-than-thou groups.
Back to topic
When I visit my great aunt the smell of smoke is gross and lingers on my clothes for hours but strangely enough the smell of smoke on a man is kinda sexy, especially on the hands. Weird huh? I guess it's a manly kinda smell like sweat or pheromones that I find really attractive. But eating with smoke drifting by is the worst, and nightclubs used to be so hazy that my eyes would burn. As to clients smoking, it's their dime like grannyknowsbest said so eloquently.
When I visit my great aunt the smell of smoke is gross and lingers on my clothes for hours but strangely enough the smell of smoke on a man is kinda sexy, especially on the hands. Weird huh? I guess it's a manly kinda smell like sweat or pheromones that I find really attractive. But eating with smoke drifting by is the worst, and nightclubs used to be so hazy that my eyes would burn. As to clients smoking, it's their dime like grannyknowsbest said so eloquently.
hello, I am also a smoker sadly enough, I only this because on many accounts have i tryed to quit. I think it's important for smokers to not smoke around non-smokers. Also for girls who work and smoke, they should chew gum after they have one and spray body spray or perfume on themselfs it is out of respect in my mind. To a non-smoker the smell of smoke is absoulutly discusting and a huge turn off.
You Are Becoming A Nuisance, Dittman!
Dittman, put a little thought into your replies....you are beginning to sound ignorant. You are calling me a hypocrite because I want to breathe clean, smoke free air, and at the same time I don't want morality issues legislated? You can't be as stupid as you sound.......can you? You don't like it that I want to take away your right to poison others, do you, Dittman? ---Moe
P.S. Have you ever heard of a dictionary? That's what you use if you can't spell a word.
Dittman, put a little thought into your replies....you are beginning to sound ignorant. You are calling me a hypocrite because I want to breathe clean, smoke free air, and at the same time I don't want morality issues legislated? You can't be as stupid as you sound.......can you? You don't like it that I want to take away your right to poison others, do you, Dittman? ---Moe
P.S. Have you ever heard of a dictionary? That's what you use if you can't spell a word.
Poor Dittman
Dittman, the more you attempt to write, the more you embarrass yourself. You called me a hypocrite for not wanting to be around smokers and appreciating anti-smoking legislation (for health reasons), and at the same time not wanting issues relating to right wing "morality" to be legislated. Is anybody home? Your argument is beyond weak, it is unintelligible and lacks common sense. You started the insults, Dittman. You are pathetic.
---Moe
Dittman, the more you attempt to write, the more you embarrass yourself. You called me a hypocrite for not wanting to be around smokers and appreciating anti-smoking legislation (for health reasons), and at the same time not wanting issues relating to right wing "morality" to be legislated. Is anybody home? Your argument is beyond weak, it is unintelligible and lacks common sense. You started the insults, Dittman. You are pathetic.
---Moe
your right about that jazz, shoot I thought this thread was dead, I hadnt read it in a few days. I do have my suspicions about where its coming from but thats another story jazz. Moe until you makecig. illegal, like i have suggested in another post(that will never happen cause of the money involved) Take your whining ignorant ass elsewhere and whine about something else. Well time to go to work. Where all the black diesal smoke spewing forth all of its poison from the bus i drive will cause more harm to people then my cig smoke.
I don't think the issue is whether one activity should be legislated ie smoking while the other one isn't ie prostitution or visa versa. There is a big difference between legislating things that go on in private and when these activities take place in a public place, ie restaurant, bar, etc. The government needs to keep its nose out of alot activities that take place in private ie prostitution, smoking, marijuana, etc. Some people however are oblivious to the people around them and therefore it is necessary to have legislation to control how they behave in public when it affects other people.
When I go out to a restaurant for example I don't want someone smoking beside me but I also don't want them having sex at the table next to me either. When that person is somewhere private where their activities don't affect others they can smoke till their blue in the face or hire a dozen escorts and have an orgy for all I care.
I'm not a smoker but if politicians were to make smoking completely illegal I would be just as outraged as I am by prostitution laws and marijuana laws. By the way I don't smoke marijuana either.
When I go out to a restaurant for example I don't want someone smoking beside me but I also don't want them having sex at the table next to me either. When that person is somewhere private where their activities don't affect others they can smoke till their blue in the face or hire a dozen escorts and have an orgy for all I care.
I'm not a smoker but if politicians were to make smoking completely illegal I would be just as outraged as I am by prostitution laws and marijuana laws. By the way I don't smoke marijuana either.
