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Should inmates fed up with prison be allowed the right to die?

escapefromstress

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What if Canada had a right-to-die law and Justin Bourque, the guy who gunned down three Mounties in New Brunswick last year, wanted to make use of it, rather than spend at least the next 75 years in prison?

It's not as absurd a question as it sounds. Canadians are headed into a renewed discussion on the right to die as the Supreme Court this year prepares to rule on a couple of constitutional challenges to the law forbidding assisted suicide and Quebec implements its dying with dignity legislation.

What makes the discussion even more tangible is the debate going on in Europe after a rapist-murderer in Belgium who's spent 30 years behind bars successfully won court approval to die under the country's broad euthanasia law. Frank Van Den Bleeken, who was found not criminally responsible for his crimes, argued he could not psychologically deal with the prospect of ending his days in prison.

The Belgian government ultimately blocked the decision this week, but meanwhile more than a dozen other prison inmates reportedly have filed euthanasia applications. It's likely the discussion will continue.

European countries have abolished capital punishment but the those that have or are considering right-to-die legislation may now face the possibility of seeing it reintroduced by the back door, ironically at the behest of the criminals themselves.

Now we head into the realm of "what if." Euthanasia and assisted suicide remain illegal in Canada. The new Quebec law is bound to be tested. But let's assume Canada joins those European countries and some U.S. states and approves some form of assisted dying under strictly controlled circumstances.

“My general view is that rights that are generally available are available to people who are prisoners unless for some reason its expressly excluded by needing to serve time," says Catherine Latimer, executive director of the John Howard Society, a service organization that works with inmates and advocates for prison reform.

That theoretically would include the right to die, but a lot would depend on how the law is crafted, Latimer told Yahoo Canada News.

Belgium has one of the broadest euthanasia laws in Europe – last year extending it to children of any age – and encompasses untreatable mental illness as well as physical ailments. Van Den Bleeken argued failure of programs to deal with his sex drives and the prospect a lifetime in custody made living intolerable, a position the court accepted.

Eike-Henner Kluge, a University of Victoria philosopher and medical ethicist, has developed a proposal for amending Canada's Criminal Code to allow for euthanasia and assisted suicide.

A screening process would determine whether a person has the capacity to decide to end their lives if they are suffering from a "incurable and irremediable disease or medical condition."

In his model, an incurable psychiatric condition might conceivably qualify but the daunting prospect of a long stretch in prison would not be grounds to choose death. "In a medical context the test is not whether you don’t feel like it [spending life in prison] but whether it causes diagnosable, irremediable, incurable harm," Kluge said in an interview. "Therefore simply feeling 'I don’t like this' is certainly not going to be sufficient because what has to happen is that you would have to be medically or psychologically harmed by continuation and that is not the same as saying I’d die rather than spending 20 years.”

A Canadian law might look something like Quebec's Bill 51, which allows someone to request assisted dying only if they suffer from a serious incurable illness, their capabilities are in irreversible decline and are suffering unbearable physical or psychological pain as a result.

Even if the law were available for inmates (and presumably it will be in Quebec) it doesn't seem to leave much room for a Van Den Bleeken-style bid to end the torment of lifetime imprisonment, nor should it.

If a prisoner sees death as the only way out, there's something wrong with the system, said Latimer. "I would caution that placing some person in such dire circumstances such that they suffer a deterioration of mental health and think that their only answer is to kill themselves really raises some questions, I think, about the appropriate role of the the person who’s detaining them," she said.

The suicide rate in Canadian prisons is seven times higher than in the general population, averaging about 10 a year in federal penitentiaries, according a review of suicides by the Office of the Correctional Investigator published last September. "Suicide is the leading cause of un-natural death among federal inmates, accounting for about 20 per cent of all deaths in custody in any given year," the report says.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/should-inmates-fed-up-with-prison-be-allowed-the-right-to-die-211232124.html

We want them to suffer the consequences of their crimes, but it would save taxpayers a lot of money.
 

Lo-ki

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Great money saving suggestion.
I also vote yes.
 

hornygandalf

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It troubles me somewhat on initial thought.

Not everyone jailed for very long sentences or life are necessarily guilty. That has been shown numerous times.
And if we have innocent people wrong convicted, and they become despondent and lose hope, they may well take this route as a way to avoid the very long sentence.
So, we may have people choosing to die because of their mental state, and then the evidence demonstrating their innocence appearing.
On the otherhand, would choosing to die be a way to skip societies punishment?

This is not a simple issue and I wouldn't on the face of it accept this as an option.
 

Tugela

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The answer is no. While I am sympathetic to allowing those with terminal disease approaching death the option to elect to "pull the plug" as it were, extending that more generally to people who are essentially depressed about their lot in life is just plain wrong. It is the thin edge of the wedge, if you allow lifetime prisoners the option of assisted suicide, then the same logic would apply equally well to everyone else. How happy would you be about it if your 13 year old daughter decided to exercise the same option?

No. Just no.

If people don't like the life they have, they need to deal with it, not kill themselves.
 

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The answer is no. While I am sympathetic to allowing those with terminal disease approaching death the option to elect to "pull the plug" as it were, extending that more generally to people who are essentially depressed about their lot in life is just plain wrong. It is the thin edge of the wedge, if you allow lifetime prisoners the option of assisted suicide, then the same logic would apply equally well to everyone else. How happy would you be about it if your 13 year old daughter decided to exercise the same option?

No. Just no.

If people don't like the life they have, they need to deal with it, not kill themselves.
and just like with abortion or any other personal issue, THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU OR YOUR OPINION

what makes you think you should be allowed to tell someone else what to do with their life, when it has virtually no bearing on yours?

and btw, people already have the right to die, starvation, refusing medical care, suicide

the only thing left for a civilized society, so called at least, is to offer a LOGICAL, HUMANE (afterall dogs get it) way to go, with some checks and balance

your logic is as simple as to why others believe you shouldn't be able to "sell" your body for money, no difference
 
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No way. If someone did a crime serious enough to warrant a lengthy jail sentence that ultimately caused them depression, then death cuts that sentence short.

Frankly I think we should never even consider capital punishment, and we should do away with the "25 year" life sentence and impose a real life sentence: jail until natural death.

Lastly, for the most heinous, like that Luka Magnotta and those like him: solitary confinement for life! From what I read, after a couple of years in solitary (real solitary, no human contact not even for an hour a day as in Canada), you go stark raving crazy. You no longer no what reality is. Don't give them a mirror. Don't give them a shower. No new clothes or bedding. After a few more years, you've completely lost your mind, and it would be the equivalent of being buried alive.
 

westwoody

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Come on guys, prison is as dangerous a place as you can imagine.

If someone really wants to die all he needs to do is look at someone the wrong way and he will get beaten to death or shanked soon enough.
 

Cami Parker

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I'm a Libertarian. I believe that people should be allowed to make their own choices as long as it only affect their own life. If a person chooses to die, regardless of who that person is, they should be enabled to do so with dignity.
 
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